Compare original MW6510 to Replacements

bcline
bcline Posts: 59
edited January 2015 in Vintage Speakers
I've been looking for a thread on this and was wondering how the replacement mw6510 drivers compare to the new replacements that you can get from Polk. I think I need to replace a dimensional driver in my sda2a speakers and cannot find originals anywhere right now.
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  • nikonik
    nikonik Posts: 120
    There are 4 for sale in the For Sale section!
  • nikonik
    nikonik Posts: 120
    Original drivers are best in my opinion. They have the cut out for the screws and the new ones dont. You will have to cut a bit of the rubber off. Just be careful lifting the rubber as it peels away with ease. I dont know why they were made wo the cutouts and with an adhesive that doesnt hold like the original drivers. Hope this helps as I have had my mishap with the new rubber. I used a screw w a bigger head than original screw and cut rubber around it w a sharp razor blade. Original screw fits just fine and when I can, I look for original drivers.
  • bcline
    bcline Posts: 59
    I knew about the cutout issue. My question has more to do with comparison of sound. Do the new drivers sound the same or are there differences?
  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    I can't hear a difference between the new and old 6510's, though some claim to be able to.
    "Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
  • I might be the only guy on the forum that has this particular opinion, so take it with a grain of salt, but I have original and replacement MW6503's, 6511's, and 6510's, and I find the replacements to be at least as good if not better than the originals. The difference I hear is in the tightness of the bass. I would chalk it up to the newer drivers being closer to the spec'd mechanical Q. I think drivers that have seen 25+ years of use have their spiders loosen a little like old springs will lose a little bit of tension.

    If you're already comfortable with trimming around the screw cutout, I'd personally replace the dimensionals with new ones. But, that said, if you want vintage models, I have some I could dig out of storage. I can't remember if I already epoxied / dynamatted them.
  • strokin
    strokin Posts: 63
    I might be the only guy on the forum that has this particular opinion, so take it with a grain of salt, but I have original and replacement MW6503's, 6511's, and 6510's, and I find the replacements to be at least as good if not better than the originals. The difference I hear is in the tightness of the bass. I would chalk it up to the newer drivers being closer to the spec'd mechanical Q. I think drivers that have seen 25+ years of use have their spiders loosen a little like old springs will lose a little bit of tension.

    If you're already comfortable with trimming around the screw cutout, I'd personally replace the dimensionals with new ones. But, that said, if you want vintage models, I have some I could dig out of storage. I can't remember if I already epoxied / dynamatted them.

    Hello all, I am new to this forum and forums in general. I just purchased a set of SDA1c's. Something is pulling ME into the rabbit hole and I can't see light. And the journey begins. I know there are some of you shaking your head saying, welcome to the other side, I will be to you soon.
    As I am learning how to take this road to the near perfect set of speakers, so far I have sealed the cabinets and braces,dynomatted the drivers and passives. What I am not understanding is how to go about gluing the magnets to the voice coil. How do you do it ? A picture would be great. I was going to order my new tweets but I am thinking now that the crossovers might be the first thing I should do, but not sure. could use any advice or info that I can get. I respect and admire the kind of knowledge that this forum has, and hope that someone can help me find the light in this rabbit hole.
  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
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    The ceramic magnet gets a bead of Loctite Power Grab on the top and bottom where it meets the front and back plate. Smooth it out with your finger tip, and let them dry for a few hours.
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    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
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  • strokin
    strokin Posts: 63
    edited January 2015
    Thank you for such a fast response. If I understand the picture correctly, are you saying on the top and bottom edge of the black ring around the magnet? Also I noticed in another thread that you had referred to using loctite,arylic,adheisive, then later you said not too, so can I use it on the mids? I did use it on the cabinet seams and brace mounts. Did I do the right thing?
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  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    Black ring? The Ceramic Magnet is dark grey in color, and is sandwiched between the front and back plate of the magnet assembly. I would never say not to use it, I discovered and tested it for use on the Magnet Assemblies. Prior to that, everyone was using JB Weld or Epoxies
    Home Theater/2 Channel:
    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
    Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer

    dhsspeakerservice.com/
  • strokin
    strokin Posts: 63
    Yeah I guess it is dk. grey, it looked black to my eyes. The reason I am so confused is I spoke with Polk Audio today and he said I have to remove the surrounds and cone in order to do it.
  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited January 2015
    No, WMG is correct. PA must have misunderstood your question. Re: tweeters first vs Xovers, I would probably do the Xovers first.

    BTW, welcome to Club Polk!
    "Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
  • strokin
    strokin Posts: 63
    Ok, I kinda thought the same thing. thanks for clearing that up for me. Still have many more crossover questions that I suppose I should go to other threads for. This whole SDA thing is making me all warm and fuzzy inside. Believe I will retire my B&W's when these are done. Thanks for the welcome

    Cheers
  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    strokin wrote: »
    Ok, I kinda thought the same thing. thanks for clearing that up for me. Still have many more crossover questions that I suppose I should go to other threads for. This whole SDA thing is making me all warm and fuzzy inside. Believe I will retire my B&W's when these are done. Thanks for the welcome

    Cheers
    Yes, when you're ready, start your own thread. We've crapped on the OPs thread enough already.

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    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
    Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer

    dhsspeakerservice.com/
  • strokin
    strokin Posts: 63
    Well, one thing is for sure, I just became a member but I know enough to know from just previous reading on this forum that I have the right guys helping me. I hope you don't mind me snuggling under your wing until the end of this project WMG. If my speakers end up looking half as good as your finish I will be happy.
  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    As long as you buy me a drink first :)
    Home Theater/2 Channel:
    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
    Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer

    dhsspeakerservice.com/
  • bcline
    bcline Posts: 59
    I guess I should feel officially crapped on?