just got a Yamaha RX-A1040 and Monitor 60 and 70

afterburnt
afterburnt Posts: 7,892
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Is this enough AVR for these speakers?
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    it has pre out, I know nothing about preamps
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  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    Probably fine, unless you play VERY loud. There are plenty of good 2 ch amps out there. Used in the 300-500 range and pushing 200 wpc if not more. Adcom, B&K, Parasound, Haffler, to name a few.
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  • jeremymarcinko
    jeremymarcinko Posts: 3,785
    That's a very nice sounding Avr, but as mentioned, if you like to play loudly than you should add an ext. Amp, at least for the fronts.
    Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    If I get separate amp for the fronts will that leave more power for the surrounds?
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,092
    Yes indeed. Also set your xo to 60/80 & small setting for the fronts. That will sweeten up your midrange & take a tremendous load off your Yammie.

    Here's a nice article that is worth a read...http://www.ecoustics.com/articles/set-speakers-small-receiver-setup/

    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    Thanks for all of the info so far. I guess this still leaves me with a few more questions.

    1. I would like more volume when necessary so I am worried about blowing out my speakers or AVR. Is there a minimum wattage output that I should be looking for, do I have to go 200+ or would something less give me more volume, less load and keep me from blowing stuff out?

    2. With a separate amp for the fronts will the enhancements etc. pass through from the AVR and into the amp unchanged?

    3. Will the volume controls have to be manipulated independently or can I dial it in on the amp and use the AVR volume to control everything without having to deal with the amp every again?

    4. Will adding a 2 channel amp to the pre outs leave the front speaker outputs on the AVR available for anything else?

    Thanks again for the help
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    Emotiva XPA-200?
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    afterburnt wrote: »
    Thanks for all of the info so far. I guess this still leaves me with a few more questions.

    1. I would like more volume when necessary so I am worried about blowing out my speakers or AVR. Is there a minimum wattage output that I should be looking for, do I have to go 200+ or would something less give me more volume, less load and keep me from blowing stuff out?

    Power is your friend and having an amp rated higher than your speakers is ok/good thing.
    2. With a separate amp for the fronts will the enhancements etc. pass through from the AVR and into the amp unchanged?

    Your AVR will still function as the preamp and apply any/all equalization & effects to the external amp.
    3. Will the volume controls have to be manipulated independently or can I dial it in on the amp and use the AVR volume to control everything without having to deal with the amp every again?

    The AVR will control the volume just as it did before for all speakers, including the external amp. Just be sure to re-run any YPAO auto-calibration on the Yamaha.
    4. Will adding a 2 channel amp to the pre outs leave the front speaker outputs on the AVR available for anything else?

    Most AVR manuals will say NOT to use both the preouts and speaker outputs at the same time.



    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    Thanks Erik. I think I am going to get the 150 watt Emotiva XPA 200 $339 at Amazon. I haven't seen anything else in that price range and I have no idea how to go about buying used.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,000
    afterburnt wrote: »
    I have no idea how to go about buying used.

    Have you asked ??

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    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,734
    Inherently bright speakers with an inherently bright amp is not a good match.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    F1 nothing is permanent (especially these speakers). What do you suggest for three or four hundred dollars?
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    tonyb wrote: »
    afterburnt wrote: »
    I have no idea how to go about buying used.

    Have you asked ??
    Tony I wish I had more time to do the research. I hardly have the time or patients to dial all of my new stuff in let alone just listen.

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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    edited December 2014
    BTW I am trying to do a "jack of all trades" system mostly background music (classical) and some theater with all kinds of other junk in the mix. One of these days I will find all of my rock etc. CD's and try ripping them FLAC instead of mp3.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,000
    afterburnt wrote: »
    BTW I am trying to do a "jack of all trades" system mostly background music (classical) and some theater with all kinds of other junk in the mix. One of these days I will find all of my rock etc. CD's and try ripping them FLAC instead of mp3.

    Why would you rip to MP3 anyway ?

    A used Parasound or B&k amp is a better match for your speakers and can be had in the 4-600 buck range.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    I did not know any better
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    It may seem intimidating at first, but you can find good deals used.

    Despite some drawbacks, audiogon.com is still a place to find used values.

    And don't forget the for sale section here - it may take some patience, but good deals show up here, too!

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,000
    afterburnt wrote: »
    I did not know any better

    No worries pal, that's why we are here to help you. We've all been in those shoes. Don't be afraid to ask questions no matter how dumb you may think it is. Good sound is about tailoring things to your own personal taste, and to get there requires some thought and gear matching with stuff that has been proven to work well together.

    Enjoy the forum.

    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • NYmike
    NYmike Posts: 13
    I am confused about amps being referred to as bright. I have had many AVR'S in my day. Onkyo, Denon, Sony and a few yamaha's. My current set up in Yamaha rx A2010,
    RTI A5, CSI A4 FXI A4 Surronds, svs sb1000 sub, oppo bdp 103 for movies SACD AND FLAC files. this is the best system I have ever had, I had an Onkyo 1009 that sounded great for movies but really bad with music. The yamaha is warm sounding and much cleaner then the onkyo for music. For me brightness in music has a lot more to do with your listening environment furniture, carpet some room acoustics can change any speaker sound from one room to another. Just something to consider
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,734
    While the room certainly plays a role in the final sound, so does the gear. Some gear is inherently bright, which could also be called harsh, edgy, unpleasant, fatiguing, etc. regardless of the room.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • NYmike
    NYmike Posts: 13
    agreed with some speakers mainly Klipsch, but to say yamaha and polk are a way to bright combination. I am just not hearing that with what I have. No fatiguing no harshness an certainly not unpleasant, my wife would have killed me if it sounded bad
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,734
    I was referring to an amplifier, not an AVR that the OP was considering.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    Well I hope I don't hate it. At any rate if I do $339 is one of the least expensive mistakes that I have made lol.
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    I guess buying an mp3 download of a Pink Floyd album was a pretty cheap mistake. I just ordered the real CD from Amazon and now I will get the mp3 again that I already paid even more for but this time its free! %^(
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  • Loud & Clear
    Loud & Clear Posts: 1,538
    Those monitors aren't bright speakers. I'd get the Emotiva with its five-year warranty. Should be an excellent match and won't come with the risk of buying used. But, it's your money.

    Two Channel Setup:

    Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
    Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
    DAC: Arcam irDac
    Source: iMac
    Remote Control: iPad Mini

    3.2 Home Theater Setup:

    Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
    Center: Klipsch RP-160M
    Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
    AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
    Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
    TV Source: DirecTV Genie
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    I didn't think they were bright maybe more piquant but not bright lol. Amp is supposed to get here today I will hook it up after work and see. Thanks everyone for your input.
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    Spicy?
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  • NYmike
    NYmike Posts: 13
    afterburnt wrote: »
    Thanks Erik. I think I am going to get the 150 watt Emotiva XPA 200 $339 at Amazon. I haven't seen anything else in that price range and I have no idea how to go about buying used.

    Go to emotva.com join the forum and get it for 279 or so
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    Thanks Mike but what I see in the "e club" is XPA-200 was $399 now $339 thats what I paid at Amazon. I got it all hooked up last night I will put it through is paces today.
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    pearsall001 wrote: »
    Yes indeed. Also set your xo to 60/80 & small setting for the fronts. That will sweeten up your midrange & take a tremendous load off your Yammie.

    Here's a nice article that is worth a read...http://www.ecoustics.com/articles/set-speakers-small-receiver-setup/

    I read somewhere that you should "never" go above 60 on the sub xo. I wish I could find the article where I saw that. Can anyone elaborate on this?

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