PC to Squeezebox to DAC

Alright, I'm on the hunt. I'll wait until tax/bonus season, but this will be the reward for myself. I'm looking for a DAC for the Squeezebox. I almost wonder if I should do the power supply upgrade first, or instead. I'm running the box into my sc-25 and then into a gfa-7000. The amp is on my shortlist to upgrade, but I think overall I can get improvement before in the chain. Do you guys with LSi9's think a 'brighter' DAC would be the way to go? Honestly I'm new to this end of the game, so any help/discussion would be wonderful. Let er' rip!

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  • AsSiMiLaTeDAsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,717
    It all depends on how you're running the SC-25. It's an important detail most people miss, but unless you're running in pure direct mode on the AVR the DAC isn't really going to make a big difference because the receiver is still using its internal processing to Apply the calibration settings. Keep in mind that Direct mode and Pure Direct aren't the same thing, only pure direct bypasses all the internal processing inside the AVR.

    Even with that said, the Touch already has a good sounding DAC in the AKM chip, I did both and the power supply upgrade made a much more noticeable change so that's what I'd recommend.
  • codyc1arkcodyc1ark Posts: 2,539
    edited December 2014
    I always run pure direct, it just sounds so good. I'll look at supplies, hopefully I can find a used one.

    On a completely different note, I bought my brother a mechanical Logitech g710+ keyboard for christmas, and of course I have to test it. Needless to say, I might have one myself soon. :smiley: (Its the small things in life that matter)
  • AsSiMiLaTeDAsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,717
    I actually just picked up my second Corsair mechanical keyboard, I went with the K70 RGB model with the Cherry Reds and I really like it.
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,763
    Though I can't speak to the quality of the DACs in the touch, I CAN say that with my duet either analog or digital into a DAC, the bolder power supply makes a BIG difference, much blacker background, reduced noise, which makes everything sound better!

    By the way Danny, do you know if I can run the duet power supply on a classic? The power supplies are becoming hard to come by...
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; B&K TX4430; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Excite x18; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5; LG UP870 4K BDP; NVidia ShieldTV
    ;
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45, NHT Super One CI surrounds, Martin Logan Dynamo (original), Squeezebox Touch
  • AsSiMiLaTeDAsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,717
    Negative, the power supply for the Classic series and the Touch are interchangeable, but for some reason they used a different voltage for the Duet, it;s the odd man out.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,205
    Get yourself a dac, a decent dac, that will give you the best bang for your buck improvement in SQ.
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    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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  • AsSiMiLaTeDAsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,717
    I disagree with Tony in this case, but hey you didn't expect a unified answer did you :-)

    Normally I'd say yes and with something like the SONOS players I think a DAC is more important, but the AKM solution in the Touch is actually quite good especially with a better PS. I think you'll get much better bang for your buck with a power supply, and is probably something you'd want down the road anyway so makes sense to start there to me.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,205
    You won't need the power supply if your just using the Squeezebox as a transport....streaming a file. That money imho is better spent on a dac that already has a good power supply.

    To each his own though, the dac in the Touch is certainly not bad, and a separate power supply will make it better....but not as better as a separate dac. Just sayin'.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • AsSiMiLaTeDAsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,717
    Did you try the Touch with a DAC with and without the stock power supply?

    I've tried all four configurations and my experience is the same as rooftop's was, with or without a DAC the power supply makes a big difference, more than it should actually.
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,763
    edited December 2014
    Did you try the Touch with a DAC with and without the stock power supply?

    I've tried all four configurations and my experience is the same as rooftop's was, with or without a DAC the power supply makes a big difference, more than it should actually.

    Yes I was shocked at the difference the power supply made. Now with the Duet the DAC also made a big difference, because the internal DACs in the Duet aren't that great. But I had the power supply BEFORE the DAC and man did it make a big difference. When I added the DAC it just got better. BUT that was with the Duet.

    Thanks for the info on the Duet voltage Assimilated, I thought that was the case but I was hoping that I was wrong. The problem is I can't seem to find many PSs for the classic/touch lying around. Dangit now I have a decision to make...
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; B&K TX4430; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Excite x18; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5; LG UP870 4K BDP; NVidia ShieldTV
    ;
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45, NHT Super One CI surrounds, Martin Logan Dynamo (original), Squeezebox Touch
  • schwarcwschwarcw Posts: 7,208
    Do both! I had a great DAC then did the PS upgrade. There was an improvement, so both upgrades will make a diference.
    Carl

  • nspindelnspindel Posts: 5,346
    http://welbornelabs.com/cat/squeezeboxpowersupplyupgrades.htm

    I've used that for years, huge improvement. As for the dac, I'm using my Marantz SA8004 sacd player as my dac. Liked it just as much as the wyred4sound dac2 I was using, and it cost substantially less than I sold the dac2 for. And I can play sacd now. Look for one used, price has come down a lot now that Marantz put out the 8005. Or splurge and get the 8005!
    Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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