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  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    The good news: my boy A-Aron threw four TDs
    The bad news: they were all short and no yardage bonus.
  • machone
    machone Posts: 1,471
    No love for the NFL here
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  • tonyb
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    And to think the NFL is tax exempt, no federal taxes to the IRS.

    I don't think that's entirely true anymore. They gave up that status a few years ago under threats to revoke it. As it sits today, I believe, the NFL teams pay taxes, the NFL offices are still exempt....which I have no clue why that would be allowed.
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  • I agree the team ownership still pays taxes on their profits. League offices are not for profit they operate on a budgeted funds from the owners and balance with expenses. Anything left goes back to the owners. It doesn't mean they are not expensing private jets, luxury cars, etc. but those would have to be considered reasonable to their business environment. Either way they aren't hurting, and Uncle Sam is getting his.
    Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
  • but those would have to be considered reasonable to their business environment

    Back when the income tax was instituted, mink coats were considered to be a reasonable living expense for the well off.

    The NFL is currently the NFM, Not For Me.
    That's just my personal choice though.
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  • May watch some college, but no more NFL for me. Not the game, or character that it once was. Saw Johnny Unitas once. I'm good.
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  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,627
    Lost all desire.
    No hatred, but simply do not care anymore...
  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    Hell, Im ready! Bring on Sunday!!
  • Battle of Ohio Part 1...Bengals have a W yet?
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  • F1nut
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    Just watched the cop cam footage of Bennett's detainment. What a baby!
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  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    Battle of Ohio Part 1...Bengals have a W yet?

    Bengals winless like Browns. Someone ia getting off the schnied.
  • Jimbo18
    Jimbo18 Posts: 2,310
    Not a Cincy fan, but I think Dalton is getting a little more time and is still a decent QB. Green is going to get a ton of targets and the Cincy D is going to make the Browns rookie QB look bad.

    Cincy 27 Browns 13
  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    Jimbo18 wrote: »
    Not a Cincy fan, but I think Dalton is getting a little more time and is still a decent QB. Green is going to get a ton of targets and the Cincy D is going to make the Browns rookie QB look bad.

    Cincy 27 Browns 13

    I like it!!
  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,116
    They need to watch this one, always gets to me.

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  • tonyb
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    I agree the team ownership still pays taxes on their profits. League offices are not for profit they operate on a budgeted funds from the owners and balance with expenses. Anything left goes back to the owners. It doesn't mean they are not expensing private jets, luxury cars, etc. but those would have to be considered reasonable to their business environment. Either way they aren't hurting, and Uncle Sam is getting his.

    Nope, they aren't hurting, and Uncle Sam may be getting some, but he gives it right back in the form of huge subsidies. Not a fan of very wealthy people making more coin of the backs of the taxpayers. Same can be said for other sports/industries. Not to mention the local and state tax breaks they all get while every time they want a new stadium.....who gets to pay for it ?

    That's like you as Joe citizen wanting to open a restaurant in xyz city, and having the taxpayers build the joint for you. Sure, after the place is built, you benefit some from the tax income they create, but wouldn't that also be true of Joe citizen with his shop ? Mind you a big difference in incomes generated but also a big difference in cash outlay.

    When the little guy wants to expand his business, he takes out a loan and puts his neck on the line. These super rich guys, use your money to expand their business/brand, often with certain guarantees too.
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  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    la2vegas wrote: »
    It's been quiet in the forum this afternoon. Perhaps because the Lambs were handing it to the Cowboys at home.

    Love it!!
  • nooshinjohn
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    Perhaps we are all in drunken reverie over the new king...
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  • Nope, they all canceled their tickets and turned off their TV's. Yet the NFL will still be here even after they are all dead and gone.
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  • Viking64
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    I would get a good amount of pleasure seeing San Francisco go 0-4. HAHAHAHAHA
  • gce
    gce Posts: 2,158
    Looks like the Faiders and Derek Carr have a new slogan "Just Lose, Baby" :D
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  • tonyb wrote: »
    I agree the team ownership still pays taxes on their profits. League offices are not for profit they operate on a budgeted funds from the owners and balance with expenses. Anything left goes back to the owners. It doesn't mean they are not expensing private jets, luxury cars, etc. but those would have to be considered reasonable to their business environment. Either way they aren't hurting, and Uncle Sam is getting his.

    Nope, they aren't hurting, and Uncle Sam may be getting some, but he gives it right back in the form of huge subsidies. Not a fan of very wealthy people making more coin of the backs of the taxpayers. Same can be said for other sports/industries. Not to mention the local and state tax breaks they all get while every time they want a new stadium.....who gets to pay for it ?

    That's like you as Joe citizen wanting to open a restaurant in xyz city, and having the taxpayers build the joint for you. Sure, after the place is built, you benefit some from the tax income they create, but wouldn't that also be true of Joe citizen with his shop ? Mind you a big difference in incomes generated but also a big difference in cash outlay.

    When the little guy wants to expand his business, he takes out a loan and puts his neck on the line. These super rich guys, use your money to expand their business/brand, often with certain guarantees too.

    This isn't even close to being correct.
    Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
  • Jimbo18
    Jimbo18 Posts: 2,310
    deronb1 wrote: »
    Jimbo18 wrote: »
    Not a Cincy fan, but I think Dalton is getting a little more time and is still a decent QB. Green is going to get a ton of targets and the Cincy D is going to make the Browns rookie QB look bad.

    Cincy 27 Browns 13

    I like it!!

    I didn't nail the score, apparently gave the Brownies too much credit :)
  • gce
    gce Posts: 2,158
    la2vegas wrote: »
    Thanks for the cheap shot. Glad to hear you're not in a coma following the Cowgirls choke job at Jerry's World.

    I'm ok. At least we didn't lose to a divisional opponent. ;)
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  • gce
    gce Posts: 2,158
    Except you might have lost your QB. back pain is a b-i-t-c-h.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,902
    tonyb wrote: »
    I agree the team ownership still pays taxes on their profits. League offices are not for profit they operate on a budgeted funds from the owners and balance with expenses. Anything left goes back to the owners. It doesn't mean they are not expensing private jets, luxury cars, etc. but those would have to be considered reasonable to their business environment. Either way they aren't hurting, and Uncle Sam is getting his.

    Nope, they aren't hurting, and Uncle Sam may be getting some, but he gives it right back in the form of huge subsidies. Not a fan of very wealthy people making more coin of the backs of the taxpayers. Same can be said for other sports/industries. Not to mention the local and state tax breaks they all get while every time they want a new stadium.....who gets to pay for it ?

    That's like you as Joe citizen wanting to open a restaurant in xyz city, and having the taxpayers build the joint for you. Sure, after the place is built, you benefit some from the tax income they create, but wouldn't that also be true of Joe citizen with his shop ? Mind you a big difference in incomes generated but also a big difference in cash outlay.

    When the little guy wants to expand his business, he takes out a loan and puts his neck on the line. These super rich guys, use your money to expand their business/brand, often with certain guarantees too.

    This isn't even close to being correct.

    No, not close to being correct, it is correct.

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/30/news/companies/nfl-taxpayers/
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  • gce
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    I know, very ironic and it seems like Derek is turning out to as brittle as Tony. I know how disappointing that can be.
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  • gce
    gce Posts: 2,158
    Yeah, I hope you don't have to go through that. Although Derek is starting to crumble much earlier in his career then Tony did. You may have a lot of disappointing seasons ahead of you.
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  • jeremymarcinko
    jeremymarcinko Posts: 3,785
    edited October 2017
    tonyb wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    I agree the team ownership still pays taxes on their profits. League offices are not for profit they operate on a budgeted funds from the owners and balance with expenses. Anything left goes back to the owners. It doesn't mean they are not expensing private jets, luxury cars, etc. but those would have to be considered reasonable to their business environment. Either way they aren't hurting, and Uncle Sam is getting his.

    Nope, they aren't hurting, and Uncle Sam may be getting some, but he gives it right back in the form of huge subsidies. Not a fan of very wealthy people making more coin of the backs of the taxpayers. Same can be said for other sports/industries. Not to mention the local and state tax breaks they all get while every time they want a new stadium.....who gets to pay for it ?

    That's like you as Joe citizen wanting to open a restaurant in xyz city, and having the taxpayers build the joint for you. Sure, after the place is built, you benefit some from the tax income they create, but wouldn't that also be true of Joe citizen with his shop ? Mind you a big difference in incomes generated but also a big difference in cash outlay.

    When the little guy wants to expand his business, he takes out a loan and puts his neck on the line. These super rich guys, use your money to expand their business/brand, often with certain guarantees too.

    This isn't even close to being correct.

    No, not close to being correct, it is correct.

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/30/news/companies/nfl-taxpayers/

    Ugh...Uncle Sam isn't giving any preferential treatment to the NFL. Your article notes state and local govt. providing a number of incentives which include tax breaks. This is because it is benefiting the taxpayers more than anyone. NFL teams will generate more revenue, jobs, and growth for that city in the long run to justify the incentive. This is just how business is done everywhere. Don't think for a second there are not incentives and programs to assist small business and startups that also are funded by tax dollars.

    Also it's not like these stadiums built with tax dollars are owned by the team. They are leased, typically by a third party, ATT, Verizon, Quicken Loans, value city, etc and naming rights are given for a large sum of money that goes back to the owner of the stadium, not the NFL team.

    As long as these teams are turning a profit they are paying their owed taxes. Municipal bonds are not special for the NFL either, they are made available and are used by almost any interested party if the terms make sense.



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  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    Jimbo18 wrote: »
    deronb1 wrote: »
    Jimbo18 wrote: »
    Not a Cincy fan, but I think Dalton is getting a little more time and is still a decent QB. Green is going to get a ton of targets and the Cincy D is going to make the Browns rookie QB look bad.

    Cincy 27 Browns 13

    I like it!!

    I didn't nail the score, apparently gave the Brownies too much credit :)

    Pretty close! Care to pick the Bills game? :)