Potential CL scam
Sea
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I have a pair of RTi12's in the FM that due to low interest I have also listed on CL. Almost immediatly, I got a text from someone in the 978 area code. This is easily 10 hours from me. The text said they were good with price and asked me to send my email so they could paypal me the money. I asked him to call me to discuss. He did not. This morning I sent a text that I was assuming he was not longer interested. Almost immediatly got another text asking for paypal info. I text and asked if he was going to pick up. He said his "mover" would pick up. Well, I have been suspicious from the start and again asked him to call. He did not. I am sure, and was pretty much from the start, that this is a scam. I am not sure I understand the risks.
A quick google indicated that some have experienced similar situations where goods were paid for, picked up and then the payment somehow rescinded.
Does anybody have any insight here?
A quick google indicated that some have experienced similar situations where goods were paid for, picked up and then the payment somehow rescinded.
Does anybody have any insight here?
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personally if they can't take the time to talk to me I won't take the time to sell to them....
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I don't see how it's a scam. I wouldn't want to give cash to a mover and trust him to give it to the seller. The only info you would have to give him is your email addy. Once the money has cleared, I see no way for him to take the money back. Just keep in mind there are PayPal fees if he doesn't send it as a gift/family. It is strange that he won't call you on the phone. Maybe he's mute.
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If he sends it as a business transaction via PayPal, which is what he will do, he can file a claim on the item just like ebay. That will tie the money up, and like eBay they normally rule in favor of the buyer.....
Only place I do PP is here and one or two other forums with people I trust.....
For me CL sales are CASH ONLY, neutral location that is very busy with lots of cameras. Once you take possession of the item and walk away we are done."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
If he asks him to send it as a PP gift, would he still be able to file a claim?
If the guy isn't willing to give cash to the mover, what about a cashier's check or money order? -
If he asks him to send it as a PP gift, would he still be able to file a claim?
Don't know the answer to that. He may not be able to file a claim, but I am guessing there are routes he could use to claim he sent it to the wrong person, yada yada yada....."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
If I ever buy anything from you, you're going to make me pay cash, aren't you???
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I have one policy when it comes to CL sales, Cash only and neutral site meeting location in a highly public location. No Ifs ands or buts about it.
Me as well I always ask to meet in a ShopRite or Walmart parking lot. Cash only is always a must.
Because I am The Pumpkinking
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This is definitely a scam. Do NOT do business with Craigslist buyers via PayPal!!!!
There are three forms of payment that I accept when I sell on CL - cash, cash, or cash!!!
Here is how it's a scam. The "buyer" sends you a PayPal. The money shows up in your PayPal account. You transfer the money to your bank account. It's your money, right??? So then you go and send whatever it is you're selling to that desperate buyer 10 hours away from you, who simply can't find a similar item close to him.
Here's the problem. Three weeks later, you find out from your bank that PayPal has clawed that payment back from your bank account. Turns out the "buyer" funded the PayPal transaction with a stolen credit card. AND THAT IS NOT PAYPAL'S PROBLEM, IT IS YOUR PROBLEM! It's in the PayPal customer service agreement. If you accept stolen funds, you are responsible.
This is very different than eBay. eBay guarantees the reliability of PayPal payments for eBay transactions. They own PayPal, they can do that. But there is no similar protections in place for private PayPal transactions. Operate at your own risk, and if a fraudster is sending you a payment, you can be sure it'll eventually get pulled back by your bank.Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance. -
By the way, this is one of the main reasons why I am a huge supporter of the minimum 100-post count in the flea market. Most of our FM transactions are done through PayPal, so it's absolutely necessary that some level of trust be established between buyers and sellers here. We simply cannot allow new people to show up on this forum and immediately start doing PayPal transactions here.Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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If I ever buy anything from you, you're going to make me pay cash, aren't you???
Heck no, your gonna have to pay in apple pie.... Figure a 20 gallon bucket would suffice......
That or your VCR's.. just so I could run em over with my Murano in the parking lot while you look on in HORROR :evil:"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
Thank you for all of the responses. I agree. I did not have any intention of doing anything other than a cash transaction. I was just curious as to the risks. Now I understand. Thanks.Main-Carver TFM35(2),Carver C11 ,Carver SD/A 360 CD,Carver TX11 ,Grace Digital Tuner, Pioneer PL707 TT,Polk SDA1C
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Sea- I've had similar responses to several CL ads I've placed for gear and always have avoided them. I won't even respond with txt or email to verify. Just ignore and wait for a real offer that will talk to you on the phone. I've done several transactions at my house due to it being easier to hook gear up and demo before finalizing transaction and I understand the risk in doing that but it is only AFTER I have talked to the buyer on the phone first and get a feel for the person.2-ch System: Parasound P/LD 2000 pre, Parasound HCA-1000 amp, Parasound T/DQ Tuner, Phase Technology PC-100 Tower speakers, Technics SL-1600 Turntable, Denon 2910 SACD/CD player, Peachtree DAC iT and X1asynchorus USB converter, HSU VTF-3 subwoofer.
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This is definitely a scam. Do NOT do business with Craigslist buyers via PayPal!!!!
There are three forms of payment that I accept when I sell on CL - cash, cash, or cash!!!
Here is how it's a scam. The "buyer" sends you a PayPal. The money shows up in your PayPal account. You transfer the money to your bank account. It's your money, right??? So then you go and send whatever it is you're selling to that desperate buyer 10 hours away from you, who simply can't find a similar item close to him.
Here's the problem. Three weeks later, you find out from your bank that PayPal has clawed that payment back from your bank account. Turns out the "buyer" funded the PayPal transaction with a stolen credit card. AND THAT IS NOT PAYPAL'S PROBLEM, IT IS YOUR PROBLEM! It's in the PayPal customer service agreement. If you accept stolen funds, you are responsible.
This is very different than eBay. eBay guarantees the reliability of PayPal payments for eBay transactions. They own PayPal, they can do that. But there is no similar protections in place for private PayPal transactions. Operate at your own risk, and if a fraudster is sending you a payment, you can be sure it'll eventually get pulled back by your bank.By the way, this is one of the main reasons why I am a huge supporter of the minimum 100-post count in the flea market. Most of our FM transactions are done through PayPal, so it's absolutely necessary that some level of trust be established between buyers and sellers here. We simply cannot allow new people to show up on this forum and immediately start doing PayPal transactions here.
well said Neil cannot say i disagree with anything said above. This stuff happens more time than folks know of. -
This is definitely a scam. Do NOT do business with Craigslist buyers via PayPal!!!!
There are three forms of payment that I accept when I sell on CL - cash, cash, or cash!!!
Here is how it's a scam. The "buyer" sends you a PayPal. The money shows up in your PayPal account. You transfer the money to your bank account. It's your money, right??? So then you go and send whatever it is you're selling to that desperate buyer 10 hours away from you, who simply can't find a similar item close to him.
Here's the problem. Three weeks later, you find out from your bank that PayPal has clawed that payment back from your bank account. Turns out the "buyer" funded the PayPal transaction with a stolen credit card. AND THAT IS NOT PAYPAL'S PROBLEM, IT IS YOUR PROBLEM! It's in the PayPal customer service agreement. If you accept stolen funds, you are responsible.
This is very different than eBay. eBay guarantees the reliability of PayPal payments for eBay transactions. They own PayPal, they can do that. But there is no similar protections in place for private PayPal transactions. Operate at your own risk, and if a fraudster is sending you a payment, you can be sure it'll eventually get pulled back by your bank.
Wow! I had no idea that could happen.EndersShadow wrote: »
That or your VCR's.. just so I could run em over with my Murano in the parking lot while you look on in HORROR :evil:
That's just cold. I admit one thing I don't miss about watching movies on VHS is having the picture mess up during nude scenes from repeated viewing during those scenes. Especially if you are watching it with a friend and it's your tape and every time a woman starts to undress the pictures becomes unviewable and the VCR sounds like you are trying to run sandpaper through it. Busted! What can I say? I like the ladies! -
Wow! I had no idea that could happen.
Yup. Read the user agreement:
https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full
Section 4.4:
"4.4 Risk of Reversals, Chargebacks and Claims. 4.4 Risk of Reversals, Chargebacks and Claims. When you receive a payment, you are liable to PayPal for the full amount of the payment sent to you plus any Fees if the payment is later invalidated for any reason. This means that, in addition to any other liability, you will be responsible for the amount of the payment sent by the sender, plus the applicable Fees listed in Section 8 (Fees) of this Agreement if you lose a Claim or a Chargeback or if there is a Reversal of the payment. You agree to allow PayPal to recover any amounts due to PayPal by debiting your Balance. If there are insufficient funds in your Balance to cover your liability, you agree to reimburse PayPal through other means. If a sender of a payment files a Chargeback, the credit card issuer, not PayPal, will determine who wins the Chargeback. This means that, in addition to any other liability, you will be responsible for the amount of the payment sent by the sender, plus the applicable Fees listed in Section 8 (Fees) of this Agreement if you lose a Claim or a Chargeback or if there is a Reversal of the payment. You agree to allow PayPal to recover any amounts due to PayPal by debiting your Balance. If there are insufficient funds in your Balance to cover your liability, you agree to reimburse PayPal through other means. If a sender of a payment files a Chargeback, the credit card issuer, not PayPal, will determine who wins the Chargeback."Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance. -
I have one policy when it comes to CL sales, Cash only and neutral site meeting location in a highly public location. No Ifs ands or buts about it.
Exactly.And it has to be in PA so i can carry my weapon legally.Maryland stinks for this,that's another reason i left.
Polkies i know can come over but no one else is welcome in my home.And CL has really become a crappy place to sell and buy.
You never know what you may walk into if you go to buy with a pocket full of cash.Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC
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Nigerian scam. Text them back and say you can have the item for free,you'll never here from them again.
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I got a text from someone in the 978 area code. This is easily 10 hours from me.
FYI, in this day and age cellphone area codes in relation to location mean nothing as you can take the number with you no matter where you live. It's entirely possible the person lives around the corner. That said, in this case it sounds like a scam.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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This is probably the most common scam on CL. Used to be done with a fake cashier's check, now they've switched to using hacked Paypal accounts. If the term "mover" is mentioned, just ignore. Always a scam.
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sounds like a scam to me, where he only sends partial payment and then rescinds later after receiving the goods.Speakers: Polk RTi10
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This is definitely a scam. Do NOT do business with Craigslist buyers via PayPal!!!!
There are three forms of payment that I accept when I sell on CL - cash, cash, or cash!!!
Here is how it's a scam. The "buyer" sends you a PayPal. The money shows up in your PayPal account. You transfer the money to your bank account. It's your money, right??? So then you go and send whatever it is you're selling to that desperate buyer 10 hours away from you, who simply can't find a similar item close to him.
Here's the problem. Three weeks later, you find out from your bank that PayPal has clawed that payment back from your bank account. Turns out the "buyer" funded the PayPal transaction with a stolen credit card. AND THAT IS NOT PAYPAL'S PROBLEM, IT IS YOUR PROBLEM! It's in the PayPal customer service agreement. If you accept stolen funds, you are responsible.
This is very different than eBay. eBay guarantees the reliability of PayPal payments for eBay transactions. They own PayPal, they can do that. But there is no similar protections in place for private PayPal transactions. Operate at your own risk, and if a fraudster is sending you a payment, you can be sure it'll eventually get pulled back by your bank.
Hey Neil, how about doing CL sales with a PayPal payment that is sent as a "Gift"? Are there similar chargeback risks to that?
And regarding those who will only meet in a neutral, well-lit, camera-laden spot for CL sales transactions, I'm pretty hesitant to do that since getting an amp that had a very noticeable buzz to it and some Polk bookies with blown tweeters. SURPRISINGLY, the sellers both made good on it by giving me a cash refund.
Also, if I'm making a CL sale of some gear, I want the buyer to be comfortable in what they are getting and what they are paying for it. If they are pleased with it and walk out the door with it, the sale is completed. After all, I don't know how they are going to use the gear or if they even know how to properly hook it up. -
By the way, this is one of the main reasons why I am a huge supporter of the minimum 100-post count in the flea market. Most of our FM transactions are done through PayPal, so it's absolutely necessary that some level of trust be established between buyers and sellers here. We simply cannot allow new people to show up on this forum and immediately start doing PayPal transactions here.
I also like the idea of having some sort of longevity in addition to post count, say a minimum of 6 months membership?So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?
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I don't think that's necessary. If someone's taking the time to post 100 times, they're not here to pull a scam. Scammers leave as little of a trail as possible.Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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I also like the idea of having some sort of longevity in addition to post count, say a minimum of 6 months membership?
Eh, post count will encourage people to just postwhore to get their count up.
Longetivity will scare people away.
Everyone's got to start somewhere....
Then again, I'm just a new guy myself, so what do I know?
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My goal has always been to make one thousand posts and then scam nbrowser out of his Parasound amp!
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Eh, post count will encourage people to just postwhore to get their count up.
We have ways to fix that.Longetivity will scare people away.
nope try again, it would have to be in addition to post count or they will just camp out the allotted time.Everyone's got to start somewhere....
Then again, I'm just a new guy myself, so what do I know?
you are correct and welcome to club Polk. A wonderful member here came up with this so I cannot take credit it goes like this" Advice is free, the Flea Market is earned" by non other than F1nut
I came here not too awful ago to get some advice on SDA's and ended up meeting some fantastic people. I do agree with some sort of control. Although in my short time I've seen some stuff happen we usually weed them out fast if you can survive the usual "hazing" here you'll make it just fine as for the others? There are many places for them to go to do their stuff. not here! -
teekay0007 wrote: »Hey Neil, how about doing CL sales with a PayPal payment that is sent as a "Gift"? Are there similar chargeback risks to that?
Of course. That section of the agreement doesn't differentiate between types of payments. If any payment pushed through PayPal gets reversed, PayPal has the right to pull the money back from you. Of course, this is how it should work.Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance. -
I just sold some old electronic test equipment on Craigslist. I told several people that I do not hold equipment and the sale is cash only. Two people asked if they could pay with a certified bank check. Anything other than cash can be phony, including a Postal Money Order. So it's first person to show up with cash.
Paypal NO
Certified Check NO
Money Order NO
Postal Money Order NO
Cash YES -
And don't forget that cash can be counterfeit!Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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As has already been mentioned, anytime you see the word "mover" and the buy does not want to talk to you on the phone, that is a big RED FLAG.AMP/Pre Pro: Outlaw 7000x, Marantz AV7703
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