oops.... 3.1TL issue.....
xjghost
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So I was jamming out last night and drinking beer and suddenly the right tweeter stopped working. I guess I had it too loud and pushed it too far for too long.... 
I was thinking swap the tweets and that would tell me if its the tweet. If it is the tweet which tweet is the recommended replacement? Seems like I remember reading there was a new tweeter that made them sound even better.
I was thinking swap the tweets and that would tell me if its the tweet. If it is the tweet which tweet is the recommended replacement? Seems like I remember reading there was a new tweeter that made them sound even better. HT/2Channel: Emotiva MMC-1, Adcom GFA-555II, Polk SDA 3.1's, Teac TN-300 TT, Polk Center and Sub.
Bedroom system: Carver CT-24, Parasound HCA-800II, Monitor 10's
Additional projects: RTA 12c's
Bedroom system: Carver CT-24, Parasound HCA-800II, Monitor 10's
Additional projects: RTA 12c's
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If you have the original 3000 tweeter you want to switch BOTH to the RDO-198 from Polk.
Tell them you are a forum member and get a discount.Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC
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I haven't pulled them so I'm unsure what is in there. I thought it was the 198 but wanted to confirm that. So I guess the haffler at 90% volume was a bad idea...... They sounded so good though......HT/2Channel: Emotiva MMC-1, Adcom GFA-555II, Polk SDA 3.1's, Teac TN-300 TT, Polk Center and Sub.
Bedroom system: Carver CT-24, Parasound HCA-800II, Monitor 10's
Additional projects: RTA 12c's -
I haven't pulled them so I'm unsure what is in there. I thought it was the 198 but wanted to confirm that. So I guess the haffler at 90% volume was a bad idea...... They sounded so good though......
for the record anything past 1o'clock is going to do bad mojo...that is unless you know that your potentiometer is down 1-2db then you might get 3 o'clock. Normally anything past noon is going to be introducing distortion(clipping) -
for the record anything past 1o'clock is going to do bad mojo...that is unless you know that your potentiometer is down 1-2db then you might get 3 o'clock. Normally anything past noon is going to be introducing distortion(clipping)
Yep lesson learned. Beer and polks don't mix for this old rocker...... on the other hand I have an excuse to buy new tweeters I think. Potential silver lining....HT/2Channel: Emotiva MMC-1, Adcom GFA-555II, Polk SDA 3.1's, Teac TN-300 TT, Polk Center and Sub.
Bedroom system: Carver CT-24, Parasound HCA-800II, Monitor 10's
Additional projects: RTA 12c's -
...alchohol-induced necessity for upgrades. Sounds like a win-win! :razz:Jay
SDA 2BTL * Musical Fidelity A5cr amp * Oppo BDP-93 * Modded Adcom GDA-600 DAC * Rythmik F8 (x2)
Micro Seiki DQ-50 * Hagerman Cornet 2 Phono * A hodgepodge of cabling * Belkin PF60
Preamp rotation: Krell KSL (SCompRacer recapped) * Manley Shrimp * PS Audio 5.0 -
No polyswitch in that model = cooked tweeter.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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...alchohol-induced necessity for upgrades. Sounds like a win-win! :razz:
Yea it's even a different color. Swapped them at lunch and about to call Polk.No polyswitch in that model = cooked tweeter.
Do some have a protection switch? Indecently what in theory did I do to it? Trying to learn from my stupidity.HT/2Channel: Emotiva MMC-1, Adcom GFA-555II, Polk SDA 3.1's, Teac TN-300 TT, Polk Center and Sub.
Bedroom system: Carver CT-24, Parasound HCA-800II, Monitor 10's
Additional projects: RTA 12c's -
No polyswitch in that model = cooked tweeter.Do some have a protection switch? Indecently what in theory did I do to it? Trying to learn from my stupidity.
Yes after the fuses Polk used a thermistor(polyswitch) that would open up at a certain amperage level like a fuse except that when the volume went away(you turn down) then it would reset. BUT they also had a nasty impact on sound and even with good power you could still toast tweeters. After tripping too many times they will just open up at very low volume. On my SDA2a's I couldn't get 25-50 watts before they would trip. Most here replaced that polyswitch with .5ohm resistors and carefully contain oneself with the volume knob. What you did was send a way too hot of distorted signal to that tweeter and melted the voice coil...plain and simple -
Yes after the fuses Polk used a thermistor(polyswitch) that would open up at a certain amperage level like a fuse except that when the volume went away(you turn down) then it would reset. BUT they also had a nasty impact on sound and even with good power you could still toast tweeters. After tripping too many times they will just open up at very low volume. On my SDA2a's I couldn't get 25-50 watts before they would trip. Most here replaced that polyswitch with .5ohm resistors and carefully contain oneself with the volume knob. What you did was send a way too hot of distorted signal to that tweeter and melted the voice coil...plain and simple
Generally I don't go past about noon on the knob. I did not know that about the polyswitch. $129.60 lesson learned that forced an early upgrade..... :dunce:HT/2Channel: Emotiva MMC-1, Adcom GFA-555II, Polk SDA 3.1's, Teac TN-300 TT, Polk Center and Sub.
Bedroom system: Carver CT-24, Parasound HCA-800II, Monitor 10's
Additional projects: RTA 12c's -
you'll get better tweeters but nothing to offset the cost...live and learn and I do that everyday:)
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They were only $48+tax, free shipping, if you told would have told them that you were a Club Polk member. Ask Helen Yarbor.
And stop playing them so loud, you'll end up with some hearing loss, like me.Generally I don't go past about noon on the knob. I did not know that about the polyswitch. $129.60 lesson learned that forced an early upgrade..... :dunce:POLK SDA 2.3 TLS BOUGHT NEW IN 1990, Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-198
POLK CSI-A6 POLK MONITOR 70'S ONKYO TX NR-808 SONY CDP-333ES
PIONEER PL-510A SONY BDP S5100
POLK SDA 1C BOUGHT USED 2011,Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-194
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They were only $48+tax, free shipping, if you told would have told them that you were a Club Polk member. Ask Helen Yarbor.
And stop playing them so loud, you'll end up with some hearing loss, like me.
I talked to a guy there and asked if there was a discount and told him I was on the forum and he said free shipping was the discount. Yea no more late night beer induced jam sessions......HT/2Channel: Emotiva MMC-1, Adcom GFA-555II, Polk SDA 3.1's, Teac TN-300 TT, Polk Center and Sub.
Bedroom system: Carver CT-24, Parasound HCA-800II, Monitor 10's
Additional projects: RTA 12c's -
You need a new amp.
If you enjoy loud music you need to have an amp that drives the 3.1's without hurting them.
Listen as loud as you want.Just have the gear to do it or it will break your heart and your wallet.Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC
Backup Rig-2 CH-Rogue Audio Zeus w/Factory Special Dark Mods,Joule-Electra 300ME Platinum Preamp,OPPO-105 w/Modwright Tube Mod, Auralic Aries G2.1,Polk 2.3TL,3.1TL's,Dreadnought,RTA-15TL's,1C's All Fully Modded,2xRTA-12c's ,Benchmark DAC3 HGC,Synology NAS,VPI Scout w/Dynavector DV-20XH and Rogue Audio Ares Phono Preamp,Sony PCM-R500 DAT,HHB-850 Pro CDR,Tascam CC-222SLMKII Cassette/CDR,MIT S3.3 Shotgun Cables,Shunyata Hyra-8,Shunyata and Triode Labs Power Cords
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You need a new amp.
If you enjoy loud music you need to have an amp that drives the 3.1's without hurting them.
Listen as loud as you want.Just have the gear to do it or it will break your heart and your wallet.
Agreed. Maybe in the next year I can spend some dollars on an amp. Suggestions?HT/2Channel: Emotiva MMC-1, Adcom GFA-555II, Polk SDA 3.1's, Teac TN-300 TT, Polk Center and Sub.
Bedroom system: Carver CT-24, Parasound HCA-800II, Monitor 10's
Additional projects: RTA 12c's -
Agreed. Maybe in the next year I can spend some dollars on an amp. Suggestions?
there is a nice Rotel 1095 for sale right now at an unbelievable price if you ask me......
he has two
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?162162-Parasound-HCA-1500A
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?162451-Rotel-RMB-1095-Amp -
there is a nice Rotel 1095 for sale right now at an unbelievable price if you ask me......
he has two
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?162162-Parasound-HCA-1500A
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?162451-Rotel-RMB-1095-Amp
The Parasound is rated at 205 per the add, my Hafler is rated at 255. I know I read about not looking at watts but its easy for a guy like me to understand that. As for the Rotel, its a 5 channel amp and I have 2 channels to drive. is it bridgeable? Is that the right word? I also just paid the x her equity so I'm broke atm.HT/2Channel: Emotiva MMC-1, Adcom GFA-555II, Polk SDA 3.1's, Teac TN-300 TT, Polk Center and Sub.
Bedroom system: Carver CT-24, Parasound HCA-800II, Monitor 10's
Additional projects: RTA 12c's -
Look around.
What pre do you use?
Can you get another 500 and and run one on each channel?
That is if you really like the Hafler.
I had one 20+ years ago that i liked but there are much better for the money.
And for the Polk 3.1TL.Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC
Backup Rig-2 CH-Rogue Audio Zeus w/Factory Special Dark Mods,Joule-Electra 300ME Platinum Preamp,OPPO-105 w/Modwright Tube Mod, Auralic Aries G2.1,Polk 2.3TL,3.1TL's,Dreadnought,RTA-15TL's,1C's All Fully Modded,2xRTA-12c's ,Benchmark DAC3 HGC,Synology NAS,VPI Scout w/Dynavector DV-20XH and Rogue Audio Ares Phono Preamp,Sony PCM-R500 DAT,HHB-850 Pro CDR,Tascam CC-222SLMKII Cassette/CDR,MIT S3.3 Shotgun Cables,Shunyata Hyra-8,Shunyata and Triode Labs Power Cords
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Look around.
What pre do you use?
Can you get another 500 and and run one on each channel?
That is if you really like the Hafler.
I had one 20+ years ago that i liked but there are much better for the money.
And for the Polk 3.1TL.
I use an Onkyo p-301 pre atm. I was given the Hafler, took it to the shop that sold it originally to my friends dad and they cleaned it up and serviced it for $100. I think I have about $150 - $200 in the amp and pre as they sit. I have actually been looking around and reading up on stuff here. Was just reading about dreadnaughts today and looking at that group buy. Not sue I understand all that yet.HT/2Channel: Emotiva MMC-1, Adcom GFA-555II, Polk SDA 3.1's, Teac TN-300 TT, Polk Center and Sub.
Bedroom system: Carver CT-24, Parasound HCA-800II, Monitor 10's
Additional projects: RTA 12c's -
The Parasound is rated at 205 per the add, my Hafler is rated at 255. I know I read about not looking at watts but its easy for a guy like me to understand that. As for the Rotel, its a 5 channel amp and I have 2 channels to drive. is it bridgeable? Is that the right word? I also just paid the x her equity so I'm broke atm.
The Rotel is not bridgeable that I know of. That 205wpc para also has 60amps of current. I'm not trying to talk you into one or the other just darn good deals for the gear. By the way my TFM25 225wpc was skunked by a Ayre 150 wpc amp night and day difference. -
IDK what amp the Hafler is rated at. http://www.hafler.com/techsupport/pdf/dh-500_amp_man.pdf
I have heard that the Adcom's really work well with the SDA series. I appreciate all the tips. Never thought I'd post this much or learn so much when I first joined here. I suspect if all goes well after my next years tax refund I'll look into a better HT receiver and a decent amp and pre for my 2 channel rig.HT/2Channel: Emotiva MMC-1, Adcom GFA-555II, Polk SDA 3.1's, Teac TN-300 TT, Polk Center and Sub.
Bedroom system: Carver CT-24, Parasound HCA-800II, Monitor 10's
Additional projects: RTA 12c's -
just make sure any amp is common ground some adcoms are not and some can have their negative terminals strapped. That is where that dreadnaught comes in.
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Maybe you'd want to consider installing a fuse holder/fuse to protect the new tweeters ?
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Maybe you'd want to consider installing a fuse holder/fuse to protect the new tweeters ?
No I'm going to restrain the nut behind the volume knob!HT/2Channel: Emotiva MMC-1, Adcom GFA-555II, Polk SDA 3.1's, Teac TN-300 TT, Polk Center and Sub.
Bedroom system: Carver CT-24, Parasound HCA-800II, Monitor 10's
Additional projects: RTA 12c's -
The Hafler manual doesn't list a 4 ohm rating, only 8 ohm. Your 3.1s are rated as 8 ohm compatible, which means they're probably 6 ohm. Looking at the driver compliment, they may drop to 4 ohms at certain frequencies, most likely in the low bass region. The Hafler manual suggests it can handle 4 ohms, but probably not continuously, which would explain the lack of a 4 ohm rating. It sounds like the Hafler exceeded its current output, and started clipping. Woofers can handle mild clipping, tweeters cannot.Home Theater/2 Channel:
Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer
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Fuses and Polyswitches are dumb devices. They only react to current. When it exceeds their rating, the fuse will blow, or the Polyswitch will trip. They can't sense a clipped signal, or DC for that matter, and will not protect the tweeter.Maybe you'd want to consider installing a fuse holder/fuse to protect the new tweeters ?Home Theater/2 Channel:
Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer
dhsspeakerservice.com/ -
Billions of "dumb" fuse devices are in service daily, throughout the world...... including the ones limiting DC current in my personal vehicles. The Peerless in my 10A Monitors are served nicely by a 1amp fuse. (C;
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Very true, but vehicles and tweeters are different animals. The fuses in your Monitor 10s will protect the tweeters from excess current, but not a clipped AC signal, or DC if you amp's protection circuits fail.Billions of "dumb" fuse devices are in service daily, throughout the world...... including the ones limiting DC current in my personal vehicles. The Peerless in my 10A Monitors are served nicely by a 1amp fuse. (C;Home Theater/2 Channel:
Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer
dhsspeakerservice.com/ -
Definitely not a "cure-all" but protection from excessive, clean, non-clipped power. Waaaay better than polyswitches, IMO.
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On that we aggreeDefinitely not a "cure-all" but protection from excessive, clean, non-clipped power. Waaaay better than polyswitches, IMO.Home Theater/2 Channel:
Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer
dhsspeakerservice.com/ -
So I had a bit of a stressful day with my twins today. I came home and worked on their DD Jeep some and drank soem beer. I also talked with the GF some but really wanted to listen to some vinyl. With the replacement tweets not coming in yet I was looking for a solution when I realized it was right there next to my 3.1's. A set of RTA 12's that were waiting for upgrades. Wow. These speakers are beautiful.... Yes, I will make sure to keep the volume knob at no more then half.....
HT/2Channel: Emotiva MMC-1, Adcom GFA-555II, Polk SDA 3.1's, Teac TN-300 TT, Polk Center and Sub.
Bedroom system: Carver CT-24, Parasound HCA-800II, Monitor 10's
Additional projects: RTA 12c's
