Led Zeppelin sued over Stairway To Heaven plagiarism.
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I don't know. A few notes sound similar, but where do you draw the line?
http://time.com/105016/led-zeppelin-is-getting-sued-over-stairway-to-heaven/?hpt=hp_t3
http://time.com/105016/led-zeppelin-is-getting-sued-over-stairway-to-heaven/?hpt=hp_t3
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I agree. I listened to the Spirit song, it definitely sounds as if their song inspired Stairway, and the fact that the two bands toured together in the late 60's makes it much more obvious that it can't be coincidental. But it's a big leap to say that the song is an outright copy of anything. The bit of Stairway that's similar to the Spirit song is just a small part of the melody.Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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So forty years later i'm hard up for money, now seems to be a good time to sue a band that made it bigger then me??
Give me a break, any judge that lets this BS ride needs to be sued as well. What are they going to say? we never heard this song till last week?Polk Audio SDA 2.3tl Fully Hot Rodded. 😎
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You can argue about style and general feel of the songs, but the simple fact is that it's not even the same chord progression all the way through the end. It's also such a generic standard descending chord progression to begin with, probably hundreds of songs have used that same basic progression.
Stairway may have been inspired by this song, but it's no more of a rip-off than any of the other LZ tunes (LZ has often been accused of ripping off blues artists here in the US). I don't have an issue with the timing being so far down the road, it's the actual content that I don't feel will hold up.
I don't know what ever came of the Joe Satriani lawsuit against Coldplay, but I actually felt like that one had merit, this one not so much. -
So forty years later i'm hard up for money, now seems to be a good time to sue a band that made it bigger then me??
Give me a break, any judge that lets this BS ride needs to be sued as well. What are they going to say? we never heard this song till last week?
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Plagiarized from the article with no shame whatsoever...
...estimate that by 2008, Stairway to Heaven had earned at least $562 million.
The band breaking off a thank you note and a million dollar check here is equivalent to my rolling down my window at an off ramp and forking over a 5 dollar bill to the homeless vet with a drug problem.
Personally though, I think this is about a has-been band and the surviving family members looking for any way to be relevant once again, and nothing says "look at me" like a lawsuit targeting once of the most revered bands of all time as they release some re-masters. Pathetic if you ask me.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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Every British group that was or is involved with the blues scene'borrowed ' riffs from American blues artists...I could name a dozen right off hand...a few made it very big doing that..I actually thought they were the original artists....untill my dad would just shake his head,grin and say....been done before.....and proceed to prove me wrong....
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Definitely some similarities even though Stairway is obviously a much different song. I'll be interested to see how it comes out.
After The Verve got totally screwed by the Rolling Stones on Bittersweet Symphony, I wouldn't put anything past these courts.
Listen to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ32lL4R970
and listen to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbvQ9g1bCYs&feature=kp
Do you think that Mick Jagger and Keith Richards deserve 100% writing credit for the 2nd song? That's what happened. The Verve got exactly zero royalties on that song.
More on the story of that royal(ty) **** here:
http://www.feelnumb.com/2011/02/11/the-verve-bittersweet-symphony-stolen-from-the-rolling-stones-the-last-time/#lightbox/1/For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore... -
How many notes in a row have to be the same for it to be a stolen copy?
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LZ's thievery of songs is a long and well documented saga. I think that the lifting of the Stairway intro is the absolute least of the band's exploits in plagiarism. Do a Google search of Dazed and Confused/Jake Holmes, you'll start to get the picture......... Led Zeppelin, the world's best cover band.
http://youtu.be/pTsvs-pAGDc
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Some of these clips I have ben listening to has me wondering if Zep needs to change their name to Milli Vanilli.
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Definitely some similarities even though Stairway is obviously a much different song. I'll be interested to see how it comes out.
After The Verve got totally screwed by the Rolling Stones on Bittersweet Symphony, I wouldn't put anything past these courts.
Listen to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ32lL4R970
and listen to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbvQ9g1bCYs&feature=kp
Do you think that Mick Jagger and Keith Richards deserve 100% writing credit for the 2nd song? That's what happened. The Verve got exactly zero royalties on that song.
More on the story of that royal(ty) **** here:
http://www.feelnumb.com/2011/02/11/the-verve-bittersweet-symphony-stolen-from-the-rolling-stones-the-last-time/#lightbox/1/
Thats interesting, never knew about that onehumpty dumpty was pushed -
More than forty years later? A trust for the deceased Randy California? Give me a freaking break, that's what the statute of limitations is for, just because its a reissue doesn't mean they weren't aware of this from the outset and they concede that. Gives lawyers a bad name. Lol.
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And the title sounds suspiciously like The Butt-Hole Surfer's album "Hairway To Steven".Norh ACA-2B tube pre, Sumo Andromeda SS amp. Magneplanar MMG speakers, M&K MX1250 Subwoofer, Pro-Ject RM1.3 Genie TT with Sumiko Pearl MM cart., Keces DAC, Cambridge Audio Azur 640c CD player
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Definitely some similarities even though Stairway is obviously a much different song. I'll be interested to see how it comes out.
After The Verve got totally screwed by the Rolling Stones on Bittersweet Symphony, I wouldn't put anything past these courts.
Listen to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ32lL4R970
and listen to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbvQ9g1bCYs&feature=kp
Do you think that Mick Jagger and Keith Richards deserve 100% writing credit for the 2nd song? That's what happened. The Verve got exactly zero royalties on that song.
More on the story of that royal(ty) **** here:
http://www.feelnumb.com/2011/02/11/the-verve-bittersweet-symphony-stolen-from-the-rolling-stones-the-last-time/#lightbox/1/
Well- what you need to be comparing to is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKC5cdGBY04
Since that one is a clear cover of the original and credited as such, the Verve's sample of it got them in trouble with Allen Klein by extension.
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and as a side note, I'm kinda amazed that "the Last Time" is on youtube- used to be Stones stuff would get taken down within hours of getting posted. Could be because Klein died a few years ago.Gallo Ref 3.1 : Bryston 4b SST : Musical fidelity CD Pre : VPI HW-19
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Want to talk about obvious ripoffs...I find for the plaintiff, Pink Floyd! This one has always bugged me.
Pink Floyd - Goodbye Blue Sky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58_S5e0AVU0
Metallica - Fade to Black
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nooshinjohn wrote: »Some of these clips I have ben listening to has me wondering if Zep needs to change their name to Milli Vanilli.
Despite where they might have borrowed some of their licks...from whatever artist..Led Zeppelin were definately not lip syncers... -
Strong Bad wrote: »Want to talk about obvious ripoffs...I find for the plaintiff, Pink Floyd! This one has always bugged me.
Pink Floyd - Goodbye Blue Sky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58_S5e0AVU0
Metallica - Fade to Black
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdlcl9kklag
That's funny. I always thought that Pink Floyd's "Good Bye Blue Sky" sounded very very similar to Joni Mitchell's "The Dawntreader" done in 1970 (about 10 years before The Wal).
Pink Floyd's "Goodbye Blue Sky"
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Joni Mitchell's "The Dawntreader"
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/I9T4Y_HbqwQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Interestingly enough, Roger Waters had Joni Mitchell sing "Goodbye Blue Sky" at The Wall: Live In Berlin. For good reason I think...
Compare and tell me what you guys think.......
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Strong Bad wrote: »Want to talk about obvious ripoffs...I find for the plaintiff, Pink Floyd! This one has always bugged me.
Pink Floyd - Goodbye Blue Sky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58_S5e0AVU0
Metallica - Fade to Black
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdlcl9kklag
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Is a cross-claim against Dread Zeppelin coming next? Sssssss
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Zepplin?Plagiarizing? Nah.
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Deep Purple?Plagiarizing? Nah.
Metallica?Plagiarizing? Nah.Zepplin?Plagiarizing? Nah. -
If I wasn't told, "Hey, listen to this song.. it sounds vaguely similar <but not really> to Stairway", there's NO WAY I would have linked the two together myself. Give me a break."I did not slap you. I high-fived your face."
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Well- what you need to be comparing to is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKC5cdGBY04
Since that one is a clear cover of the original and credited as such, the Verve's sample of it got them in trouble with Allen Klein by extension.
But that story is more about what an epic d---bag Allen Klein is.
Yes, I knew it was based on the orchestral version, which IMO really doesn't sound like the original Stones song, but that's beside the point. The real point is, that The Verve asked for, and received permission to use the sample...yes, just a sample of the strings. The lyrics and the rest of Bittersweet Symphony is totally The Verve. How does a string sample garner Jagger/Richards 100% of the writing credit? Better Lawyers I guess. A travesty IMO. The legal battle its battle and was one of the principal reasons the group fell apart.For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore... -
So forty years later i'm hard up for money, now seems to be a good time to sue a band that made it bigger then me??
Give me a break, any judge that lets this BS ride needs to be sued as well. What are they going to say? we never heard this song till last week?
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LOL! Tim, you just about made me spit out my coffee on this one! Whatever came of the situation between Alan Parson's Project song "Eye In The Sky" and Lady Antebellum's "I Need You Now". Can any others hear this similarity? Lucy, you got some splainin' to do!Timothy Smith wrote: »And the title sounds suspiciously like The Butt-Hole Surfer's album "Hairway To Steven". -
Zeppelin should sue these guys, but i like it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc_6nRP-jC0humpty dumpty was pushed -
Rolling Stone reports "Judge Calls Led Zeppelin Lawsuit Lawyer (Francis Malofiy) 'Unprofessional, Offensive".
"Pennsylvania federal judge has ordered sanctions against the attorney preparing to sue Led Zeppelin for "Stairway to Heaven," claiming that the lawyer behaved "in a flagrantly unprofessional and offensive manner" over the course of a different case."
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