RIP Pioneer? Pioneer looks to divest itself of its AV business
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I just pulled out all my NAD gear and Installed my Pioneer Elite SC-68. The SC-68 has been in the basement with me considering selling it as I don't really plan on using it anymore. I will say this, it's a beast of a receiver. It's got monstrous power and grace. It's pretty shocking how close it comes to my NAD gear which by the way cost almost 3x more. More like 4x as you have to consider Analog Interconnects between the pre and amp, the external DAC with it's analog Interconnects and 2 power cords so yeah well over 3x the cost and it's very close. I hate to admit it but I'm pretty sure the Elite wins the value angle by a wide margin. It's not even close not to mention it sync's with my Kuro TV much better then the NAD preamp does. When I switch inputs on the T187 , the TV bugs out , has crazy lines , purple green and crazy stuff happens before it sync's back. The SC-68 just goes blank then a picture appears. Much better IMO.
2 channel performance is where the NAD starts to pull away just a bit but for movies It's to close to tell at the volumes I watch at which is under reference levels. I enjoy keeping my hearing into my older age.
I'm a bit crushed honestly about Pioneer. I grew up in this industry loving their gear. I remember many years ago when the KURO hit the market and I just sat and wished one day I could afford such perfection in video.
I also owned the first ever combo player in DVD SACD DVD AUDIO in the DV47a. I waited so long for that to come out and I purchased the first one we got in stock ( I was with Soundex at the time).
My very first surround receiver was a Pioneer which I have sitting on my desk at work. It's just Dolby surround. I gave it to a friend who then used it for many years. He had it sitting around and asked if I would like to have it back. I'll never plug into it again but it might make for a good Museum piece.Dan
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Aren't receivers and speakers the only thing Pioneer still makes for the home A/V market? I know they made a deal with Sharp back in 2009 to manufacture all their optical disc players.
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Sharp and Pioneer have had Joint ventures in the past well before 2009. The Sharp Pioneer Blu ray players sucked ****. All the way up tot the BDP-52 sucked ****. Pioneer from what I heard never confirmed the BDP-63FD is supposed to be built by Pioneer So I picked one up for the hell of it and stuck it into my system to demo and test. So far so good it has been through 9 seasons of Smallville and many Blu ray movies , SACD's and a DVD AUDIO disc. No hiccups like the BDP-52 that I had for awhile , that one sucked ****.Aren't receivers and speakers the only thing Pioneer still makes for the home A/V market? I know they made a deal with Sharp back in 2009 to manufacture all their optical disc players.
Pioneer's been going down for a while.
To me Pioneer Elite Receivers are the best in the business at their price points. I currently own Separates and a Elite SC-68 and I'll go on record to say it's damn close.
I hate to no end this is going on.Dan
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I have the new SC77 and it is awesome. I've been using Pio since the beginning of their IceAmps. Sux to see them go. The AVRs are really that good.Shoot the jumper.....................BALLIN.............!!!!!
Home Theater Pics in the Showcase :cool:
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I'm with you man. I own the SC-68 and had the SC-07 prior. Both are fantastic units with the SC-68 being superior in many ways. They are the first to put a USB DAC in for Computer music A to B style. That's what took me over the edge to upgrade to the SC-68 over the SC-07 which stayed in my system way to long( for me) but not really as I loved that AVR.I have the new SC77 and it is awesome. I've been using Pio since the beginning of their IceAmps. Sux to see them go. The AVRs are really that good.Dan
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Sharp and Pioneer have had Joint ventures in the past well before 2009. The Sharp Pioneer Blu ray players sucked ****. All the way up tot the BDP-52 sucked ****.
The Sharp "Elite" LED TVs were excellent but they were expensive. The 60" was $5,000 and the 70" was $7,500. The picture was second to none at the time though and rivalled the Kuro plasma.
I'm just glad Pioneer produced the Elite SC-09TX and the BDP-09FD before they went down the tubes. I guess that was the peak and is probably a factor in the decision to divest themselves of the AV gear since the SC-09TX first came out in 2007 at the start of the Great Recession and didn't sell very well.
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Good riddance, all I need is my sx-780 anyway
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Phatattack wrote: »Good riddance, all I need is my sx-780 anyway
You obviously haven't heard their latest offerings. Good riddance to you sir.... -
Phatattack wrote: »Good riddance, all I need is my sx-780 anyway
Talk about ignorance.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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ken brydson wrote: »You obviously haven't heard their latest offerings. Good riddance to you sir....
What is there latest by the way? I have seen people post in threads about ice something but haven't really looked into it.HT/2Channel: Emotiva MMC-1, Adcom GFA-555II, Polk SDA 3.1's, Teac TN-300 TT, Polk Center and Sub.
Bedroom system: Carver CT-24, Parasound HCA-800II, Monitor 10's
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Talk about stuck in time. If a middle of the road unit from the 70s-80s is all one needs then....the need is not much!
Three and a half decades later....they are making av products just as good as the next guy...they just happen to sell a lot more car audio.2.2 Office Setup | LG 29UB55 21:9 UltraWide | HP Probook 630 G8 | Dell Latitude | Cabasse Stream Amp 100 | Boston Acoustics VS 240 | AUDIORAX Desk Stands | Mirage Omni S8 sub1 | Mirage Omni S8 Sub2 -
Talk about stuck in time. If a middle of the road unit from the 70s-80s is all one needs then....the need is not much!
Eh....everyones audio journey has to start somewhere. As long as your willing to take that first step or even consider a journey to learn and listen.
However, in this case....I think the only journey in mind is getting to 100 posts to view the FM.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
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Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
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B&k 1420
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Yup. Give me a good 40 year old, SS, 35-40wpc receiver based rig and the babes will be knocking down my door.
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George Grand wrote: »Yup. Give me a good 40 year old, SS, 35-40wpc receiver based rig and the babes will be knocking down my door.
And they did... 40 years ago. Today that rig will get you into a granny that can gum you to death.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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LOL!!!!
PIONEER UNVEILS NEW VINYL TURNTABLE
http://www.mixmag.net/tech/news/pioneer-unveils-vinyl-turntablenooshinjohn wrote: »And they did... 40 years ago. Today that rig will get you into a granny that can gum you to death.POLK SDA 2.3 TLS BOUGHT NEW IN 1990, Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-198
POLK CSI-A6 POLK MONITOR 70'S ONKYO TX NR-808 SONY CDP-333ES
PIONEER PL-510A SONY BDP S5100
POLK SDA 1C BOUGHT USED 2011,Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-194
ONKYO HT RC-360 SONY BDP S590 TECHNICS SL BD-1 -
LOL!!!!
PIONEER UNVEILS NEW VINYL TURNTABLE
http://www.mixmag.net/tech/news/pioneer-unveils-vinyl-turntable
Looks like that's mostly aimed at the DJ market? And who knows how LONG a production run it will have. Small batch production is the norm these days. You make it, then you shift your labor and facilities to somewhere cheaper and run a different batch there and then another until it's no longer profitable and then you just close out that division!
JVC, Kenwood, etc. No longer around, or only around as Car Audio. Is that the future?
Oh, and SOUNDBARS are everywhere. You don't need to do anything there. Hook the bar to your TV and set up the wireless sub and you have OK but not REAL HT 7.1 or 9.2 sound. Even Walmart sells BARS! lol. What a situation for those of us who might want to run something more.
cnhCurrently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!
Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
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Small batch, if it's any good, then it would hold it's value.
But it looks DJ that's what most people want (to be cool).Looks like that's mostly aimed at the DJ market? And who knows how LONG a production run it will have. Small batch production is the norm these days. You make it, then you shift your labor and facilities to somewhere cheaper and run a different batch there and then another until it's no longer profitable and then you just close out that division!
JVC, Kenwood, etc. No longer around, or only around as Car Audio. Is that the future?
Oh, and SOUNDBARS are everywhere. You don't need to do anything there. Hook the bar to your TV and set up the wireless sub and you have OK but not REAL HT 7.1 or 9.2 sound. Even Walmart sells BARS! lol. What a situation for those of us who might want to run something more.
cnhPOLK SDA 2.3 TLS BOUGHT NEW IN 1990, Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-198
POLK CSI-A6 POLK MONITOR 70'S ONKYO TX NR-808 SONY CDP-333ES
PIONEER PL-510A SONY BDP S5100
POLK SDA 1C BOUGHT USED 2011,Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-194
ONKYO HT RC-360 SONY BDP S590 TECHNICS SL BD-1 -
Is that the future?
It's about generating as much profit as possible to satisfy expectations of shareholders and the number of SKU a manufacturer has in a market segment. In today's world, it's not about good engineering or sound quality....just look at Apple's $3 billion purchase of Beats. -
I constantly worry about buying new electronics and then finding out the company gets sold and the items will no longer be supported. Meh![HOME THEATRE]
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Polk Monitor 10B (Side Surround) - Bang & Olufsen P45 (Rear Surround) - Polk CSi30 (Center Channel)
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A lot of this is still trickle down from the housing market crash. It really hurt from everything from the toaster, home security, AV electronics, furniture market etc.
Another reason to cut corners in manufacturing. PC computer monitors are built really cheezy....2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
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Danny posted on the SH forum that Pioneer has a new speaker coming out and that there will be a lot of new product announcements by end of June.
Doesn't sound like a company going out of the AV business.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Bizarre man, I just talked to a REP yesterday( Not Pioneer ) and he was talking about how sad it is for Pioneer to be leaving the AV business.Danny posted on the SH forum that Pioneer has a new speaker coming out and that there will be a lot of new product announcements by end of June.
Doesn't sound like a company going out of the AV business.Dan
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Sad! When I was in College, early 80's big Pioneer gear was all the rage. I can remember a guy saying that he was going to have a problem when he retunred to school in the Fall because he planned to have a bigger stereo system and a smaller car.Main-Carver TFM35(2),Carver C11 ,Carver SD/A 360 CD,Carver TX11 ,Grace Digital Tuner, Pioneer PL707 TT,Polk SDA1C
Downstairs -Carver M1.5t, Carver C1 Pre, Carver TX10 Tuner, Carver TL3200 CD Player, Dual 1009 TT,Polk SDA SRS 2.3tl
Study - Carver AV634 Amp, Carver CT7 Pre, Carver DTL50 CD Player, Polk RTA12c -
Where are you all getting your info from? The only press releases from Pioneer that I see concerning new products, including speakers, are for CAR division equipment (that market is stable, people will always need stereo in their cars--Kenwood and JVC went that route a while back--why not Pioneer? They're a HUGE player in that market--they could still phase out everything else and keep car audio).
cnhCurrently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!
Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
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Pioneer's AV business sold to Hong Kong private equity firm....and Onkyo
http://www.twice.com/news/industry/pioneer-reaches-agreement-sell-home-ce-business/45763 -
Danny posted on the SH forum that Pioneer has a new speaker coming out and that there will be a lot of new product announcements by end of June.
Doesn't sound like a company going out of the AV business.
Details to new Pioneer electronics and new Andrew Jones-designed speakers to be announced on 6/25. -
The Andrew Jones-designed speakers they currently have are amazing for the price!Klipsch The Nines, Audioquest Thunderbird Interconnect, Innuos Zen MK3 W4S recovery, Revolution Audio Labs USB & Ethernet, Border Patrol SE-I, Audioquest Niagara 5000 & Thunder, Cullen Crossover II PC's.
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That's tomorrow! :-)
The speakers do appear to be interesting... so this is must-see-TV... umm... must-see-press-release, I guess...
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Damn!Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk
