Ukraine...this can't be good

steveinaz

Jews being told to "register":

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/17/kerry-jews-in-ukrainian-city-told-to-register/

drumminman

Man this is like Poland/1939, even the pretext for Putin sending in the troops: our nationals are being harassed and denigrated, savaged. We have to go in to protect them.

nooshinjohn

And so it begins...

And a point of historical significance, Before the Russians(Soviets at the time) were allies, they were HEAVILY allied with Hitler's Germany and actually helped them round up Jews, and even helped in establishing some of the more notorious death camps.

The Red Army was hell-bent on "liberating" those camps before the western allies could find the connections. The truth is we already knew that and covered it up...

steveinaz

Taken right out of Hitlers play book. Send trouble-makers in, then claim that the majority of the population is in danger, conquer/rinse/repeat.

Predictably, still no coverage on this by the lamestream media.

FTGV

Hold on to your seats kids,this going to get ugly quickly.Putin doesn't seem to care that he is pushing the world to the brink of somthing very bad.

BlueFox

Fiddle Faddle.

Just some hooligans trying to stir the pot and spin up the lunatic fringe. Seems to be working.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/17/world/ukraine-religious-threats/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

pitdogg2

Chilling for sure.................looks like we are about to repeat history there...

nooshinjohn

pitdogg2 wrote: »

Chilling for sure.................looks like we are about to repeat history there...

agreed...

tonyb

pitdogg2 wrote: »

Chilling for sure.................looks like we are about to repeat history there...

Hope not...humanity has enough scars.

Um...we stirred that pot in the Ukraine. We also stirred that pot in Syria, along with the whole middle east. Don't discount our own involvement before casting stones...because that's exactly what they want you to do. Funny how we won't send arms to help the Ukraine defend itself, but we will send arms to terrorist organizations fighting regimes we don't like. Picking and choosing winners and losers on the world stage, just like we do here at home. Except the pawns are real men and women, lives are at risk...and for what exactly ? Ukraine's borders ? That's a U.N. issue, let them sort it out. Wish we were more concerned about our own borders than someone else's 8 thousand miles away.

Timothy Smith

I think this is what we get by "leading from behind".

We showed weakness to both our enemies and our friends.

I just returned from San Diego last week after watching my 20 year old son Gabriel graduate from Marine boot camp.

I guess I really have "skin in the game" now.

rpf65

Not good at all, but I really don't see any single or group of countries in any position to do anything about it.

The problem is that a lot of the world got enlightened. The current belief is that people and governments can be reasoned with, and once shown the error in their ways, the will apologize and play nice in the future.

I personally never got enlightened, and still have that outdated belief. Peace through superior firepower.

I have a funny feeling Mr. Putin probably decided not to get enlightened either.

Timothy Smith

rpf65 wrote: »

Not good at all, but I really don't see any single or group of countries in any position to do anything about it.

The problem is that a lot of the world got enlightened. The current belief is that people and governments can be reasoned with, and once shown the error in their ways, the will apologize and play nice in the future.

I personally never got enlightened, and still have that outdated belief. Peace through superior firepower.

I have a funny feeling Mr. Putin probably decided not to get enlightened either.

It is bizarre to see our President and Secretary of State lecture Mr. Putin saying that the problem is that he just doesn't know how the world works in this century.

Unfortunately, Mr Putin knows exactly how the world works, and the other two are clueless.

If you ever get mugged, try explaining to the thug that he simply doesn't know how the world works, and that the enlightend (and wonderful) you, do. Offer to explain it to him in detail. See what that gets you.

nooshinjohn

Timothy Smith wrote: »

I think this is what we get by "leading from behind".

We showed weakness to both our enemies and our friends.

I just returned from San Diego last week after watching my 20 year old son Gabriel graduate from Marine boot camp.

I guess I really have "skin in the game" now.

Semper FI Marine Corps Dad! Thank you sir for raising a hero.

What will he be doing in the Corps?

scottyboy76

dittos, thank you to your son, hopefully he has chosen a good skill to hone , so he can use it after his service to our nation.

Polkie2009

Timothy Smith wrote: »

I think this is what we get by "leading from behind".
We showed weakness to both our enemies and our friends.

I just returned from San Diego last week after watching my 20 year old son Gabriel graduate from Marine boot camp.

I guess I really have "skin in the game" now.

+1000 Thank you Tim and thanks to your son Gabriel for his service to our country. God Bless the U.S. Marines.

steveinaz

Hold the phone fellers, the link Bluefox provided is stating that (basically) someone has forged the notices. At least that's what they claim.

nooshinjohn

steveinaz wrote: »

Hold the phone fellers, the link Bluefox provided is stating that (basically) someone has forged the notices. At least that's what they claim.

Yep, Putin's man on the ground is denying everything... I guess we should believe him. (rolleyes)

Timothy Smith

nooshinjohn wrote: »

Semper FI Marine Corps Dad! Thank you sir for raising a hero.

What will he be doing in the Corps?

PFC Smith is home with me for a few days. Goes back to Pendelton next Tuesday for more combat training.

Then he goes to Pensacola for avionics training. They told him he was smart for a Marine. I guess that is a compliment.

I gave him my M4 carbine as a graduation present when we got home. Last night he completely stripped it and cleaned it at the kitchen table (told me it was filthy).

I love the kid and am proud of him.

halo71

tonyb wrote: »

Wish we were more concerned about our own borders than someone else's 8 thousand miles away.

While I generally do not reply in threads like this one. But Tony is dead on the money here I think!

steveinaz

Updated article:

http://news.yahoo.com/someones-handing-leaflets-eastern-ukraine-telling-jews-register-173828220.html

AsSiMiLaTeD

This can't be real, right???

nooshinjohn

Timothy Smith wrote: »

PFC Smith is home with me for a few days. Goes back to Pendelton next Tuesday for more combat training.

Then he goes to Pensacola for avionics training. They told him he was smart for a Marine. I guess that is a compliment.

I gave him my M4 carbine as a graduation present when we got home. Last night he completely stripped it and cleaned it at the kitchen table (told me it was filthy).

I love the kid and am proud of him.

Hopefully he will get with VMFA 122 out of Beaufort. They will be transitioning to the F35's pretty soon. Exciting times to be an Air Wing Marine!

Add to that... he gets three hots and a cot, and a shower. Better than sleeping in the mud and dirt.

tonyb

nooshinjohn wrote: »

Yep, Putin's man on the ground is denying everything... I guess we should believe him. (rolleyes)

I'm not so sure we shouldn't. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if we were behind it. Don't forget, the guy in the big chair still wants to pressure Israel into peace talks with the Palestinians. What better way to scare them than that letter ? Let them know how hated they are in the world...and only we can protect them. One thing I learned in all my years is nothing is as it seems on the cover.

FTGV

Forged or not the potential for civil war in Ukraine is very real and a powder keg.We can only hope it does'nt suck NATO into a full blown war with that egotistic balled head dick- tater in Moscow.

nooshinjohn

FTGV wrote: »

Forged or not the potential for civil war in Ukraine is very real and a powder keg.We can only hope it does'nt suck NATO into a full blown war with that egotistic balled head dick- tater in Moscow.

I agree with you FGTV... I think we have allowed ourselves, BY DESIGN, to get sucked into every European conflict going back to WWI. The question I always have is "why?"...

tonyb

FTGV wrote: »

Forged or not the potential for civil war in Ukraine is very real and a powder keg.We can only hope it does'nt suck NATO into a full blown war with that egotistic balled head dick- tater in Moscow.

Yeah, it is real, but the guy with no hair holds all the cards. Europe is highly dependent on Russia for energy. He only needs to turn that faucet slightly before they throw their hands up in the air. Then what ? Let him do as he wishes ?

Remember "Walk softly and carry a big stick" ? That's true for personal protection, and for countries. While we cripple our military and continually shrink it, Russia and China keep building theirs. Sometimes brute force is the only way to solve problems. We see it here at home...and we see it on the world stage. Simple fact of life.

As it sits right now, if Russia and China decided to combine forces, simply take over Europe, they could and nobody with any sizeable stick could stop them. Make no mistake, Putin is testing our resolve while the rest of the world watches. So far, he's making a clown out of us, a paper tiger as they say.

headrott

I'll just say Ezekiel Ch. 38 and translate the KJV of the words "chief prince" back to the original Aramaic and then realise how it was later translated into "Rosh", then "Rush", then Russia in the Vulgate. That's all you need to know.

dkg999

I don't know why we are even concerned about Ukraine? I would rather let Russia's economy bail them out, than ours!

mhardy6647

http://www.npr.org/2014/04/17/304186884/amid-the-tumult-what-dangers-face-minorities-in-ukraine

tonyb

SDA1C wrote: »

Did I miss something??? In the short time I've been away it seems we've trampled on the "No religion, no politics, no guns". Ukraine has all three.

Pfft... in before the lock is about all I have to say about getting into another war with some one, or where, that I could give two ****s about. How about we pull our collective heads out of our collective asses and get this **** (yea I have a memory too) out of office before he starts a ****ing nuclear war! Personally...I'd like to continue to hear my badass 2.3's and 425 Sunfire while in the theater and the ear bleeding k12qsc in my geeeroge!. I gotta '59 Ford/68 GTO Judge drive train rod to build and boatload of fish to catch before I die of someone else's stupidity.

True....what doesn't have an element of any one of those 3 in it these days ? Personally, I'm with ya, rather be simply listening to music and worrying about fishing and classic cars. I think there was once a time when you could ignore a lot of this and go about your day, sadly though, it finds you...or starts to effect you in some fashion.

Seems the world in general, even our country alone has been turned on it's ear in a very short period of time. Makes it hard to ignore if you care about anything. To ignore is to condone....no ?

Sherardp

nooshinjohn wrote: »

Hopefully he will get with VMFA 122 out of Beaufort. They will be transitioning to the F35's pretty soon. Exciting times to be an Air Wing Marine!

Add to that... he gets three hots and a cot, and a shower. Better than sleeping in the mud and dirt.

In infantry training it will be 3 MREs and a sleeping bag. He will be training in Camp Horno and humping the hills of Camp Pendleton for a month.

Thank your son for serving. Semper Fi ( 8 yrs in active, 11 yrs now as a John Deere contractor for gov equipment)