Fascinating crossover upgrade
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"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Boutique capacitors are inferior in every way...you know this Jesse. There is *no way* these can sound good. /sarcasm :cool:
Looks like a very fun project. Although, it would take a powerball win for me to even consider that kind of investment in time and money...hehe"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
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Other than cringing at the brass binding posts, beautiful work!"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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Other than cringing at the brass binding posts, beautiful work!
you noticed the parts express BP also. Man all that cash outlay and cheap's out on the post...Well all I have to say is they are either VERY GOOD or he ran out of money
I've used them I do think they are very nice BUT come on man -
That's about the best presentation of the Duelund Products I've seen. Too bad there are not a lot of 1%'ers out there that can afford such extravagant parts. Thankfully Jeff (SoniCraft) is still turning out a great product that's affordable for most, if not all. I can see using there (Duelund) resistors in the future now that the supply of the "old mills" resistors are drying up. I've measured and forced myself to try the "Made In Mexico" Mills and they are very disappointing. Sure would be nice to hear that Duelund speaker set-up and man what a gorges speaker. I only know one person on this planet that could do that fine of woodwork (drumiv).
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Super high end, no replacement for excellent workmanship. Those crossovers would fit in well with those dude's from that Pakistan audio company. Those caps are pretty effin' cool.HT SYSTEM-
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Thanks for posting that Jesse. Gives me a new target to aim for. Wonder how much the inductors and caps cost? I'm guessing as much as a nice used car."Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
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drumminman wrote: »Thanks for posting that Jesse. Gives me a new target to aim for. Wonder how much the inductors and caps cost? I'm guessing as much as a nice used car.
The cost is in the article. $12,402.18 in inductors, capacitors and resistors."Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
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You would think he could afford a work bench or something other than sitting on the floor.
Nice products though.Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
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The cost is in the article. $12,402.18 in inductors, capacitors and resistors.
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:redface: Just looked at a few of the pics, thanks for that."Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer -
Ok, my take. Yeah, those caps are cool and deserve to be shown off, but I don't like the wood support he used, not elegant enough. I would build a wooden display case type enclosure with thick clear Lexan windows on the sides and top. The top would be on hinges to allow access. The case would still be low to the ground, but supported by large custom turned brass spikes to match the brass on the speakers. I would have all the wiring going under a large black FR4 board (unclad PCB) supported on isloation devices. He seems to think that the only vibrations will come through the floor when in fact most will be in the air. My idea addresses both and would be a helluva lot classier. Forget those copper connectors, bare copper oxidzes. All connections would be soldered with Cardas. He goes on about how the wires do not go thru the binding posts. So what, the wires are still in contact with them. Get some Cardas or WBT posts and do it right.Political Correctness'.........defined
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^^^^I'm glad that I'm not the only one that thought his design had a few flaws. I understand his want to showcase his investment, but I thought the connections should be hidden. Personally, I wouldn't buy $4k worth of cables that didn't have any better aesthetics than something that resembles white zip cord too, and I know that it is just cable dressing, but shouldn't that be included at that cost? I don't want my high end car in primer.HT Optoma HD25 LV on 80" DIY Screen, Anthem MRX 300 Receiver, Pioneer Elite BDP 51FD Polk CS350LS, Polk SDA1C, Polk FX300, Polk RT55, Dual EBS Adire Shiva 320watt tuned to 17hz, ICs-DIY Twisted Prs, Speaker-Raymond Cable
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Agreed, that boy needs some MIT's. :cheesygrin:Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Ok, my take. Yeah, those caps are cool and deserve to be shown off, but I don't like the wood support he used, not elegant enough. I would build a wooden display case type enclosure with thick clear Lexan windows on the sides and top. The top would be on hinges to allow access. The case would still be low to the ground, but supported by large custom turned brass spikes to match the brass on the speakers. I would have all the wiring going under a large black FR4 board (unclad PCB) supported on isloation devices. He seems to think that the only vibrations will come through the floor when in fact most will be in the air. My idea addresses both and would be a helluva lot classier. Forget those copper connectors, bare copper oxidzes. All connections would be soldered with Cardas. He goes on about how the wires do not go thru the binding posts. So what, the wires are still in contact with them. Get some Cardas or WBT posts and do it right.
His workmanship on that board make me think of placing a golden doorknob on an outhouse. If he can afford 12k for the caps, why not spend another grand to showcase them...The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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With under board connections, he could have flipped most of the caps so that the leads went through the board and made a lot cleaner look. Dueland could have put stickers on either side by request if that is an issue.HT Optoma HD25 LV on 80" DIY Screen, Anthem MRX 300 Receiver, Pioneer Elite BDP 51FD Polk CS350LS, Polk SDA1C, Polk FX300, Polk RT55, Dual EBS Adire Shiva 320watt tuned to 17hz, ICs-DIY Twisted Prs, Speaker-Raymond Cable
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If he can afford 12k for the caps, why not spend another grand to showcase them...
He didn't pay anywhere close to list, if he paid for them at all.With under board connections, he could have flipped most of the caps so that the leads went through the board and made a lot cleaner look.
Exactly. You can picture how cool that would look too.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
This is exactly the kind of project I look forward to doing in the future, when I'm more dedicated to audio.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
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While I have yet to hear the Duelund Cast capacitors, a couple audio buddies have used them in their tube DAC's (similar to mine). They previously had V-cap (teflon) 2.2uF caps, Mundorf Silver, Gold, Oil 2.2uF prior to switching out both of the other caps for the Duelund Cast Copper PIO caps (the same as used in these crossovers).
He stated that the difference in audio was absolutely breathtaking. The Duelund Cast Copper PIO caps left both the V-cap (teflon) and Mundorf Silver/Gold/Oil caps in a shameful state. Here is a picture of his "work in progress" for his DAC. Those 2.2uF Duelund Cast copper PIO caps are HUGE!!
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
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My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
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DarqueKnight wrote: »This is exactly the kind of project I look forward to doing in the future, when I'm more dedicated to audio.
For as long as you've been MIA I thought you would have this done by now.
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I waiting until someone designs boutique vacuum tubes so that 12AX7s are the size of 55 gallon drums and 2A3s are water tank sized......HT Optoma HD25 LV on 80" DIY Screen, Anthem MRX 300 Receiver, Pioneer Elite BDP 51FD Polk CS350LS, Polk SDA1C, Polk FX300, Polk RT55, Dual EBS Adire Shiva 320watt tuned to 17hz, ICs-DIY Twisted Prs, Speaker-Raymond Cable
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For as long as you've been MIA I thought you would have this done by now.
Yeah, well, I'm doing a lot more listening these days and a lot less tweaking.
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FYI, those caps are 20% off this month at PartsConnexion."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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Wow, my projects, look like nothing compared to that!
The crossover project we are working on will definitely be on par, perhaps a notch or two above depending on your tastes. It will definitely look better, that I can say with complete certainty. Nice job and definitely nice components on this build. Those Duelund components are no joke. Thanks for posting this, Jesse. Pretty cool stuff.
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With the 20% discount it would cost $4784 to recap only the tweeter section in my 2.3TL's."Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
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With the 20% discount it would only cost $16,274.30 to recap my 1.2TLs. Then I would have to spend additional money on wiring and external enclosures.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
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So, you guys are saying you are doing it?! Can't wait for the reviews!
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
DarqueKnight wrote: »With the 20% discount it would only cost $16,274.30 to recap my 1.2TLs. Then I would have to spend additional money on wiring and external enclosures.
Cheap at half the price! :-)
DK, how much of a sonic quality upgrade would you expect from this extreme mod? Do you think it would make the 1.2TLs compete with first-rate contemporary speakers (which I think they already do!)?Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer (Roon Core) with Morrow Audio USB cable to McIntosh MC 2700 pre with DC2 Digital Audio Module; AQ Sky XLRs to CAT 600.2 dualmono amp, Morrow Elite Speaker Cables to NOLA Baby Grand Reference Gold 3 speakers. Power source for all components: Silver Circle Audio Pure Power One with dedicated 20 amp circuit to main panel.
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