SRT system - worth it?

Libertyc
Libertyc Posts: 915
edited February 2004 in Speakers
I'm thinking about bidding on the SRT system on ebay and was wondering if this is a good price? It's missing the rear surrounds and has some scratches, but the seller has 100% positive feedback. What do you guy think of the price - worth it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3075811265&category=1499
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  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited February 2004
    I'd be concerned that although he has 100% feedback the next most expenisve thing he has sold was a CS245i for $100+
  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited February 2004
    Nothing to be worried about, you would pick these up in person, no?

    As far as the price, I don't know. Seems like a decent deal, but not a STEAL.

    Cheers,
    Russ
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited February 2004
    In person ? ... PA to WI ? ...

    That's dedication Russ. I admire you man.

    I almost bought a pair of the SDA 1.2's that have been floating around recently, but because I didn't want to have to drive truck back from at least half way across the country, I passed. The shipping costs would have been outrageous even if one could have found someone to ship them.
  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited February 2004
    Just saying, if I was looking at dropping 3 grand on a set of LARGE speakers and I didn't know the seller personally - no way I'd trust them to pack and ship them correctly - original boxes or not.

    Start some dialouge with the seller, feel him out a little bit first.

    Cheers,
    Russ
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited February 2004
    They would make an excellent front stage. I'd have to agree w/ Russ, though. This would have to be a pickup, it's a sizable investment I'd want to make sure they were handled correctly.
  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited February 2004
    I wasn't disagreeing per se ...

    I just don't have the desire to trek across country to go check out a pair of used speakers no matter how good they are.

    Now if the seller had been located in an adjoining state that could've been a different story.
  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited February 2004
    I wasn't either brotha.

    I'm in Texas, hell I don't know how far PA to WI is. ;)
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited February 2004
    I suppose depending on where you are in Texas going to ANY other state might be as far as from PA to WI. But at the moment we have this peculiar season goin on called winter which can makes things a little more tricky for transporting your own stuff.
  • Libertyc
    Libertyc Posts: 915
    edited February 2004
    Shipping SCARES me for something thats $3,000 and very fragile. I would not be able to make that long of a road trip. They would have to be crated, placed on a pallet and shrink wraped for "LTL "freight companies like Bax to ship them. LTL means less than load for someone who wants to ship one pallet rather than a full truck load. Most times the pallets are stacked on top of each other, and you better hope the forklift driver knows what he's doing. I really have to think about this. Thanks for the input.
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited February 2004
    Originally posted by RuSsMaN
    As far as the price, I don't know. Seems like a decent deal, but not a STEAL.
    For sure not compared to what the seller paid the dealer... But as rare as these are...

    I agree on the pickup... problem is Eagle River is in northern WI... 800+ miles from Pittsburgh (only 1200 miles from Dallas, Russ :) )
    More later,
    Tour...
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,722
    edited February 2004
    Ok, it's like this. Use Escrow.com to pay for them, they explain the whole process on their website. It's safe and secure. Then go to www.abfs.com to get an online freight quote. My 2.3TL's were shipped from CA to MD for less than $240.00 using ABF. As for the price of the SRT's, while not a steal, it's a good deal. Buy them!
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • vkf
    vkf Posts: 8
    edited February 2004
    I owned a SRT system for 3 years.I just recently sold it. I was not satisfied with its performance. The subs ,while powerful were muddy. While SPL of over 120 db are claimed, I fried 2 tweeters ( using Parasound amps of at least 200w per channel ) during a party. I switched to a pair of Klipschorns with Heresy's as the center, and a REL Stentor Sub. Same $ ,but the sound is unbelievable. I have gone from B&W to Martin Logans to Vandersteen to Polk SRT. The set up I have now is by FAR the best.
  • vkf
    vkf Posts: 8
    edited February 2004
    I was using a HCA 3500 for the mains and a HCA 2003 for the center and rears. While not Cinepro as many use ,still a lot of power. Please don't think that because this system did not meet my needs that that in any way makes me think less of polk products.I have owned Monitor 7s, SDA1,s and just recently purchased a system for a friend that was basically the 5000 system. Which for the $, is a hard used system to beat. I think the breakthroughs made during the development of the SRT led the way to the bargains you can find for example with the 2000 & 3000 series speakers. I just think that $10000 new and roughly $4000 used for a SRT,there are better ways to go.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,722
    edited February 2004
    I agree that lack of good power was most likely the cause of your tweets frying. Parasound's HCA series are very bass heavy, had a pair of 1500's hooked up to my SDA's once, the bass was too much and the highs lacked. The only demo I've had with SRT's was at Polk's HQ. It was nothing short of amazing, loud and no muddy bass. Room acoustics always play into the picture, did you try different placements?

    Those Kilpsch make my ears hurt, but I'm glad you found the sound you were looking for.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • vkf
    vkf Posts: 8
    edited February 2004
    I gave them every opportunity. Placement and professional consultation on room accoustics, but the media room was constructed with accoustics driving the construction. It is as neutral accousticaaly as any room I have ever heard. As I said earlier I just was not impressed and it was not just loud volume, the sound stage was not as 3 dimintional as many other speakers I have owned.
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,772
    edited February 2004
    SRT Tower (Top Part)

    Power Handling: More than 1,000 Watts RMS

    Ding Ding Ding! Ringer!

    200 Watts? Maybe if you did 200 watts per terminal...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • hoosier21
    hoosier21 Posts: 4,413
    edited February 2004
    How about a trip to the Buckeye State?

    POLK AUDIO RT3000P, home theater speakers, Rosewood Finish Veneer, 500 watt speakers, 1000 Watt Powered Sub/Woofer, 12 Adjustable Base Levels, $1,300 OBO 614-891-1406
    Dodd - Battery Preamp
    Monarchy Audio SE100 Delux - mono power amps
    Sony DVP-NS999ES - SACD player
    ADS 1230 - Polk SDA 2B
    DIY Stereo Subwoofer towers w/(4) 12 drivers each
    Crown K1 - Subwoofer amp
    Outlaw ICBM - crossover
    Beringher BFD - sub eq

    Where is the remote? Where is the $%#$% remote!

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  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited February 2004
    It's like anything else whether it's a Rat Shack receiver or the best amp on the planet ... when you dial it past a certain point you are gonna be out of head room ...
  • vkf
    vkf Posts: 8
    edited February 2004
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion , but I believe you are not giving the HCA 3500 Parasound amp very much credit. Look at the specs.Very high current,very high power.
  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited February 2004
    I was not knocking the Parasound amp ... great amp ... great product line ... great company.

    On the other hand it's not usually too much power that blows up speakers, it's distortion which usually comes from pushing amps too hard.

    Your situation MAY be the exception that proves the rule.
  • Ceruleance
    Ceruleance Posts: 991
    edited February 2004
    Ahh you polk lap-dogs.

    89 dB sensitivity for the towers, HCA-3500 makes 500 wpc into 4 ohms, you are looking at about 116 dB at one meter before the amp starts clipping (and that's just one speaker). Maybe the amp wasn't properly cooled, or maybe he actually was listening above 110 dB.. or maybe, just maybe, it was a QC issue at Polk, isn't that why speakers have warranties??

    Get off your knees, polk's SRT's are not the end-all-be-all of speakers.
  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited February 2004
    I don't recall anyone saying they were ... but then what is ...

    Regardless of whether the amp makes 5 wpc or 5 kwpc when you turn it up all the way you reduce the amount of head room and I think we all know the consequences when there isn't enough room to get head.
  • Ceruleance
    Ceruleance Posts: 991
    edited February 2004
    Originally posted by ATCVenom
    Ceruleance,

    I hate to be blunt here, but specs and numbers often dont tell a whole story. Half the times I find them to mean jack-****. I have seen far too many 89, and even 90 db speakers require a lot of good clean current to even sound decent.



    Where in my post do you find anything regarding to quality of sound?

    I'm pretty sure all that is contained in my post is a calculation of approximate SPL that could be attained with a certain system.

    First off, You are implying that volume = sounding decent.
    Secondly, You are implying that the laws of physics are different for different speakers.


    if you do the math accounting for wattage, efficiency, distance, and room anomalies, and the speaker and amplifier are correctly rated, then you can calculate the SPL.

    The point of this calculation was that in order for the amplifier to clip he would have to be listening at very very high levels. Levels that people don't listen at, ergo, logically, the tweeter blowing would not be a result of an underpowered amplifier.

    It was sarcastically suggested that he actually was listening over 110 dB

    My comment regarding lap-dogs was targeted at those who automatically believe that anything wrong with the speakers is automatically due to some other component in the system, not the 'holy-grail' of speakers themselves.

    EDIT: to make this clearer, I was insulting those who automatically assume it was the amplifier, not the group as a whole obviously. I thought this was pretty straightforward

    don't jump to conclusions, that's all. It definitely could have been the amp and I have already acknowledged that. A more educated response would be perhaps to take a trip over to the SPL calculator that was mentioned in another thread and realize that the calculations I did in my head before didn't account enough for dispersion, and that in fact if corner loading is negated and the listener is a good distance away (say 15 feet), the amplifier might indeed clip before 110dB, at 106 dB instead.
    http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html

    Instead the reply consisted of implying that the laws of physics which govern SPL in a given room somehow apply differently for different speakers of the same efficiency. (if you were trying to say that the SRT's efficiency ratings are overstated, you definitely could have articulated that better)
  • Ceruleance
    Ceruleance Posts: 991
    edited February 2004
    Originally posted by ATCVenom


    As for that website. It fails to take into account the deminsions
    (sic) of a room. Is it a room with vaulted cealings? (sic) Brick? Wood? Carpeted? Many objects? Completely empty? Big? Small? Medium sized? Openings to other rooms? Or how about an object placed in front or near the speaker itself? Its a neat little toy, though.

    It is industry standard for sensitivity to be rated anechoically, meaning not dependent on room size or furnishings, assuming of course there is nothing in your LOS to the speaker. If anything, any room that isnt infinitly large will add to the SPL rating. I was happy to see that you are finally trying to make an argument with at least some sort of technical base, but then I read the rest of what you said..


    You are still spewing out a whole bunch of semi-technical crap trying to justify yourself, and you also persist in making claims about characteristics of sound other than it's magnitude, which I have simply never commented on in any of my posts.

    No hard feelings, Sean, but this will be my last post in this thread.
  • Ceruleance
    Ceruleance Posts: 991
    edited February 2004
    ok one last post:

    fair enough, i apoligize because i didnt bother to read all of the posts very carefully, assume my comments were pretty much directed at sid and then I think we're all good.

    regardless, I STILL doubt the parasound was clipping, maybe i'm a parasound lap dog.. :rolleyes:
  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited February 2004
    There are no facts to really base any sort of evaluation on other than ... I was running this amp into that speaker and I turned it up at a party and blew the tweeters ...

    It could of been anything INCLUDING the tweeter.

    There's really very little point in discussing this further.
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,772
    edited February 2004
    I like to be different! :D

    200 watts, I've just heard the SRT on a 200 watt amp and it just couldnt even muster the least bit of SPL in the MID/High frequencies.

    His amp may be different, but from what I saw...it would probally take 2 to 3 200 watt amps to push the SRT.

    BTW - the SRT is 8 ohms, it is 4 ohms in worst case. As stated on the website. Unless it just means 4 ohms, and is always in worst case...

    ::Polkaudio.com - Page: SRT Mains:: Nominal Impedance: 4 ohms (worst case)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,772
    edited February 2004
    :D;):D I know my Dad! :D;):D
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited February 2004
    Originally posted by Ceruleance
    Ahh you polk lap-dogs.

    Get off your knees, polk's SRT's are not the end-all-be-all of speakers.

    He is correct. The SDA-SRS 1.2's are.

    madmax
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