Help with new SRT system!

Shuedogious
Shuedogious Posts: 13
edited March 2014 in Vintage Speakers
I have just become the proud new owner of an SRT system! I have been dreaming of this for years and now finally have it. What i would love to know is what amp configuration would be best to power it without breaking the bank. I was thinking of getting a 5 channel amp like Aragon 2005, Parasound 2205 or Emotiva XPA5. Or would seperates be best. O spoke with the people at Polk and all they said was they recommended 300-500 watts per channel. I am just trying not to empty my bank for it as it took a good bit of convincing my wife already to get the system. Thanks!
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  • Mr. Bubbles
    Mr. Bubbles Posts: 736
    edited March 2014
    welcome to the forum. Congrats and good luck
    If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of Progress?!


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  • Shuedogious
    Shuedogious Posts: 13
    edited March 2014
    Thank you sir for your kind welcome. I;m sure there are some SRT gurus that can make some wonderful recommendations!
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,287
    edited March 2014
    Shuedogious wrote: »
    Thank you sir for your kind welcome. I;m sure there are some SRT gurus that can make some wonderful recommendations!

    That would be this guy....ESavinon

    Search his threads and posts
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  • chefkungfu
    chefkungfu Posts: 638
    edited March 2014
    ^^^^ that is correct!
    Welcome to the forum! Congratulations on such a nice set!!!!
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,194
    edited March 2014
    Welcome to the forum,
    Unfortunately to get the SRT power correctly your going to need some serious amps. They are designed to be driven by good clean power amps. No receiver is going to power them correctly. Most issues come from under powering speakers not over powering them.
    If you want to get in the ring and box, you got to wear the proper gloves.
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  • Shuedogious
    Shuedogious Posts: 13
    edited March 2014
    Definitely no receiver power going into these guys! I know some amps like the Aragon say they can push 300w/ch high current all channels driven into 4 ohms, but not sure if this is really enough as a single 5 channel amp would be doing this. If it can i would rather do so for space and costs, but if i have to get 3 separate amps to do this then i guess i will have to. Yeah, they look like some pretty power hungry speakers.
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited March 2014
    Welcome to the CLUB

    Where ya located? The folks around here will help you out a lot for they are the best audio forum members in the world.

    If you have not done so already do some searches here on your subject/need and you'll learn a lot.

    Congratulations
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,554
    edited March 2014
    Polk used a 5 channel Conrad-Johnson SS amp to demo the SRT rig at Polk HQ. It drove them without issue.
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  • Shuedogious
    Shuedogious Posts: 13
    edited March 2014
    I am in the Atlanta area. I would appreciate it if someone knowledgeable could help. I do know a little about audio but the fine details i need help on. I would love to drive the whole system with a powerful single multi channel amp like the ones mentioned above. I also saw a forum members srt configuration schematic with multiple adcom amps. Just not sure i have the space ote budget to go for 4 separate power amps.
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  • Shuedogious
    Shuedogious Posts: 13
    edited March 2014
    By the way, everyone here has been most welcoming. I appreciate that very much
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,287
    edited March 2014
    Sunfire 7201 would get you there 4ohms@400 watts 7 channels
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,554
    edited March 2014
    I would appreciate it if someone knowledgeable could help.

    Ok, first tip. It's not all about how many wpc or in other words, if the first watt sucks why bother. The first 2 amps you mentioned don't suck.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • Shuedogious
    Shuedogious Posts: 13
    edited March 2014
    Okay, so speaking of 7 channels, so if i was to go with that kind of an amp, the SRT satellites speakers actually have 3 inputs (SDA, high & Low). Should i dedicate 6 channels (3 to each satellite inputs) to the fronts with the last channel to the center? Or would keeping the connector plate to the high and low inputs be enough already as the SDA would get its own speaker input? That was i can use the last two ( 2 each to the front and 1 to center already) for the satellites?
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  • ESavinon
    ESavinon Posts: 3,066
    edited March 2014
    I run my SRT system with a Parasound Halo A21, A51. Depending on your budget, I may recommend a few amps. PM me.
    SRT For Life; SDA Forever!

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    Four main satellite speakers, six powered subs, two dedicated for LFE channel, two center speakers for over/under screen placement and three Control Centers. Amaze your friends, terrorize your neighbors, seize the audio bragging rights for your state. Go ahead, buy it; you only go around once.
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  • Schurkey
    Schurkey Posts: 2,101
    edited March 2014
    Shuedogious wrote: »
    Aragon 2005, Parasound 2205 or Emotiva XPA5.
    F1nut wrote: »
    Ok, first tip. It's not all about how many wpc or in other words, if the first watt sucks why bother. The first 2 amps you mentioned don't suck.
    Right on, F1.


    An Aragon 3005 would be even better, and an Aragon 8008x5 better still.

    If it were me, I'd be looking for 3 stereo amps, they tend to have more per-channel power supply than multi-channel amps. A stereo amp for the main speakers, and a 3-channel amp for the rest could work well, too.
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  • dpowell
    dpowell Posts: 3,068
    edited March 2014
    Congrats! I ran my SRT's whcn I owned them with a Halo A51. One channel each for the stereo arrays and one channel each for the dimmensional arrays. That left the 5th channel on the amp for the center speaker. The Sunfire Cinema Grande's have a similar sound signature to the Halo's at a much lower price point. They also run much cooler than the Halo's.
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  • Gatecrasher
    Gatecrasher Posts: 1,550
    edited March 2014
    mantis wrote: »
    Welcome to the forum,
    Unfortunately to get the SRT power correctly your going to need some serious amps. They are designed to be driven by good clean power amps. No receiver is going to power them correctly. Most issues come from under powering speakers not over powering them.
    If you want to get in the ring and box, you got to wear the proper gloves.

    So far, my receiver seems to be plenty powerful for the SRT satellites. It's the powered subs that I am having problems with now but hopefully that will be eliminated in the near future after Polk repairs the spiders.

    How are your spiders Shuedogious? It seems that most of the drivers have issues unless they have been repaired.
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  • Shuedogious
    Shuedogious Posts: 13
    edited March 2014
    Gatecrasher,
    Man I don't know. haven't fired up the system yet as i am still trying to decide on the amp. I really hope the subs are fine. Those are what i was looking forward to the most.
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  • Shuedogious
    Shuedogious Posts: 13
    edited March 2014
    If you are powering them with your AVR and it is doing fine, then what other AVR would you recommend to do this?
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  • Shuedogious
    Shuedogious Posts: 13
    edited March 2014
    In reference to multiple amps, there are 2 amps available to purchase. Harman Kardon Citation 5.1 and 7.1. I know they are older. But thinking about getting them so i can run 7.1 (4 channels) to the satellites and then the 5.1 (also 4 channels) bridge 2 channels for center and the last two for the surrounds. Trying to get them both for $1,000.
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  • Gatecrasher
    Gatecrasher Posts: 1,550
    edited March 2014
    You will definitely have one heck of a system with separate amps. The SRTs are killer speakers that can supposedly handle all kinds of power. My only point was that mine don't sound bad at all with my Elite SC-09TX receiver either. The SRTs are like the RT3000p on steroids. Same basic principal. They have a built-in amp (300 watts) to power the subs so all that needs to be driven by your AVR and/or external amps are the satellites. That reduces the amount of power you need to drive the entire speaker system.

    The subs are connected to the pre-amp outputs leaving all the amplifier power free to drive the satellites. Now admittedly the SRT satellites are not your normal every day speakers to drive but they can still perform with less power than it would take to drive everything. In 5.1 mode the SC-09TX has 240 watts per channel. I wouldn't mind having a little more power for these but it's definitely not a show-stopper and they are capable of blowing your face off and shaking the house off the foundation.

    The first thing I would do after you hook your SRTs up is to put a bass-heavy CD in and crank up the subs on the control center. You'll be able to tell pretty-easily if the spiders are loose. There will be a very noticeable "rattling" noise. You can crank them down and minimize the noise but it's something I couldn't live with. Thanks to Ken in the troubleshooting section, I am sending mine out to Polk and they say they will repair them for free. Pretty-cool! While I'm at it, I want to re-cap the amps too because there is a slight hum.

    Hopefully they will be back at 100% and I'll be one happy Polk boy!!

    Maybe then I'll look to invest in some more power.

    Then I'll have to decide whether to go with the SRT center speaker or one of the four CS1000p center speakers I have. I plan to use two RT3000p's as the rear surrounds since I have six of them here. I don't have nearly as big of a room here as I did in Alabama so I won't be going 10.2 anymore. The system should be pretty-seismic as a 5.1.
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  • Shuedogious
    Shuedogious Posts: 13
    edited March 2014
    Gatecrasher, that is one heck of a system! There is a like new rotel rmb 1095 5 channel amp on ebay for about 1200. Would like to know opinions of this amp vs the parasound 2205.
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  • dpowell
    dpowell Posts: 3,068
    edited March 2014
    Shuedogious wrote: »
    Gatecrasher, that is one heck of a system! There is a like new rotel rmb 1095 5 channel amp on ebay for about 1200. Would like to know opinions of this amp vs the parasound 2205.

    Having run both Parasound 1200II's and Halo A51 on SRT's, the Halo series is a significant SQ improvement. If you're looking in that price range, seriously consider a Sunfire Signature. It has a very similar sound signature to the Halo series at a much lower price point.
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  • dpowell
    dpowell Posts: 3,068
    edited March 2014
    Gatecrasher wrote: »
    Then I'll have to decide whether to go with the SRT center speaker or one of the four CS1000p center speakers I have.

    I don't believe that the CS1000p will be capable of keeping up with the SRT's at louder volumes. The 1000p is an awesome center channel but its limiting factor is the built in 100w sub which I don't believe can power the internal subs to sufficient levels without distorting. Also keep in mind that the SRT center is basically an exact duplicate of the stereo array in the satellites and it is designed to timbre match and keep up with the massive speakers to its left and right. :)
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  • Shuedogious
    Shuedogious Posts: 13
    edited March 2014
    I want to thank everyone for their input. I found a great deal on a aragon 2007. This should allow me to tri-amplify the front satellites if I want to, thereby leaving the receiver to o the job on the surrounds. I am looking forward to pushing 600 or so watts to each satellite for effortless clarity.
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