Pio Elite SC Models

deronb1

Can anyone let me know if the sc pios allow cutoffs at 60 and 70 hz? My older model jumps from 50 to 80 hz

deronb1

No input?

EndersShadow

Which particular models? 25, 35, 37, etc. Also might just PM Mantis as I am sure he knows.

mufsoman

My SC07 jumps from 50 to 80.....

Tornado Red

Same. My SC-61 goes 50-80-100-150-200

deronb1

Thanks guys, that what i figured. Wgy would they not offer those.two settings?

EndersShadow

deronb1 wrote: »

Thanks guys, that what i figured. Wgy would they not offer those.two settings?

My guess is either speakers are big towers capable of going down to 50 (or lower), or they are bookshelves which most cross at 80 since they cant dig that deep.

Tornado Red

You would think it would be easy to offer a more complete selection, isn't this just basically a sort of digital rheostat? I guess they made one model for the crossover and applied it to all their SC-XX stuff. The jumps are all increments of 50 except the 80hz, which I believe is the recommendation of THX is it not? And since some of the SC AVRs are THX equipped they satisfied THX and just let it be for the rest of the lines perhaps.

EndersShadow

Tornado Red wrote: »

You would think it would be easy to offer a more complete selection, isn't this just basically a sort of digital rheostat? I guess they made one model for the crossover and applied it to all their SC-XX stuff. The jumps are all increments of 50 except the 80hz, which I believe is the recommendation of THX is it not? And since some of the SC AVRs are THX equipped they satisfied THX and just let it be for the rest of the lines perhaps.

Might also help their MCACC calibrate everything since it doesnt have as complex of crossovers to deal with, just a couple set across the entire board rather than in 5 hz increments across different sets of speakers.

Hermitism

I don't mean to change the subject on this thread, but everyone participating will probably know the answer. Can someone tell me the order in which the SC models were released? Was the 05 and 07 the earliest models? I thought maybe the numbers increased with each newer productions. But then I've seen SC models with four digits (SC 1222 and SC 2022). I like how Pioneer's website still has pages for older models, but they don't have release dates for the models on their pages. I know mine has a Manf. Date of Aug 2008 by the tag on the back of the unit. Also, does anyone know when the Elite SC models were first introduced?

Please, I don't want anyone putting time in on research, I just thought someone might know off the top of their heads. Thanks!

EndersShadow

The 05 and 07 were the first SC models. The ones with 4 digits are their lowest of the SC models for those given years and more like the VSX models than the SC ones. So you normally want to get a model with 2 digits as those are the "true" Elite models IMHO.

Hermitism

Thanks! That's great information to know when looking on the used market. My friends aren't accustom to spending the $$ that the SC models retail for and I wanted to be able to pass on the info.

EndersShadow

Hermitism wrote: »

Thanks! That's great information to know when looking on the used market. My friends aren't accustom to spending the $$ that the SC models retail for and I wanted to be able to pass on the info.

I think its something along the lines of the first number denotes how "new" they are and the second number denotes how "high" on the chart they are. IE. 05 and 07 out same year, 07 is better. 27 and 37 are newer, 37 is better.

Again I am sure Mantis would know for sure, so I defer to him if I am wrong

WLDock

(2007)
sc-09tx - $7000

(2008)
sc-05 - $1800 , sc-07 - $2200

(2009)
sc-25 - $1800, sc-27 - $2200

(2010)
sc-35 - $1600, sc-37 - $2200

(2011)
sc-55 - $1700, sc-57 - $2100

(2012)
sc-61 - $1100, sc-63 - $1300, sc-65 - $2000, sc-67 - $2000, sc-68 - $2500

(2013)
sc-71 - $1000, sc-72 - $1300, sc-75 - $1600, sc-77 - $2000, sc-79 - $3000

Hermitism

Wow! Thank you for the info!!

msg

deronb1 wrote: »

Can anyone let me know if the sc pios allow cutoffs at 60 and 70 hz? My older model jumps from 50 to 80 hz

A new SC-75 I was testing out only did the 50/80 jump. A Marantz SR7007, however, offered finer increments.

WLDock wrote: »

(2007)
sc-09tx - $7000...

Indeed, fantastic list!
(this forum needs an acknowledgement system)

B Run

That's my only two pet peeves with pioneer receivers. The crossover jumps from 50-80, and you have to set a universal crossover for all the speakers. I just run em at 80 and don't worry about it too much, but it seems like that'd be an easy thing to add.

drummer86

B Run wrote: »

That's my only two pet peeves with pioneer receivers. The crossover jumps from 50-80, and you have to set a universal crossover for all the speakers. I just run em at 80 and don't worry about it too much, but it seems like that'd be an easy thing to add.

That does seem silly. My Marantz retailed for a good bit less and has increments of 40, 60, 80, 90, 100 and on up. Glad it does because my baby Totems sound much better crossed at 60 than 80. I also set the surrounds at either 80 or 90, independent from the front 3. Odd that such a nice receiver wouldn't offer better flexibility than my BOTL Marantz.

WLDock

Hermitism wrote: »

Wow! Thank you for the info!!

msg wrote: »

Indeed, fantastic list!
(this forum needs an acknowledgement system)

Thanks, I actually made that up for a low baller that contacted me when I was selling my SC-25. He was telling me my unit was from '07-08 (WONG!)and was not worth the $450 asking price. Stated that the SC-35 can be had for $275-300, and the SC-55 for $500. Well, the unit has already sold by then and I had to give him a little history lesson.

Anyway, yes these units do show up for super low prices every blue moon to a very few lucky ones...(Like the Best Buy SC-65 deals I missed out on) but most eBay and CL prices are not that cheap.

PolishDude

I am trying to decide whether to keep my Elite SC-63 or sell it and get a Denon X4000...new to HT so really would like Audessy XT32 to setup my whole system for me haha

WLDock

XT32 is a powerful tool, some like it more than MCACC. What are you asking for the SC-63? PM me if you decide to sell.

Polkie2009

There was a time where I thought Audyssey MultiEQ XT32 was the Top of The Mark, but after reading up on what others say who have actually used it, I'd have to pass on a AVR or pre/pro that uses it. A number of folks are actually very happy with MCACC.

deronb1

I havent liked any of the setup software. Have to push the crap out of the amps to get any kind of dynamic sound

msg

^^^ same.
I turn off the MCACC EQ for some things (music, esp). On Pioneer, the Sound Retriever function helps a bit, too, but in general, yeah, I find the auto eq stuff is good for setting distances, but I prefer to play with the levels myself. I don't know enough yet to know what its standards are, eg., what it's setting to or trying to attain levels wise.

PolishDude

I think I will try the SC-63 before I decide to upgrade to a X4000, I might as well try it before dumping more money into the system, it's already at my house. Actually I have two of them, so one I will sell as I think a SC-63 for a bedroom is a little bit much considering I plan a 2.0 system in there.

mantis

B Run wrote: »

That's my only two pet peeves with pioneer receivers. The crossover jumps from 50-80, and you have to set a universal crossover for all the speakers. I just run em at 80 and don't worry about it too much, but it seems like that'd be an easy thing to add.

In the really real world this isn't an issue at all. Most if not all speakers perform better then removing everything from 80hz and down especially for home theater use. They seem to breath and be more dynamic and clear. When most speakers try to reproduce low bass notes, they usually sound more muddy and not as "real" for a lack of a long description. If you do have true full range speakers in your theater system, running them as such can be a benefit IF they sound better that way. Most don't even high end speakers.

I however take that further and would like IF Pioneer only offered 80hz or full range and thats it. As many systems as I have calibrated over my 15 years in the field, I have found no use for fine tuning a theater with different Crossover points. A fully balanced theater speaker package AWLAYS sounds it's best with a 80hz crossover point on all speakers including most floor standing speakers and letter a powerful high quality subwoofer do everything else. I also find added 2 Subwoofers a much better way to complete the spectrum.

I think people get all caught up in the numbers and don't really understand exactly how a system works together. This is a huge benefit when done right. Placement and matching high quality subs are so much more important.

mantis

Polkie2009 wrote: »

There was a time where I thought Audyssey MultiEQ XT32 was the Top of The Mark, but after reading up on what others say who have actually used it, I'd have to pass on a AVR or pre/pro that uses it. A number of folks are actually very happy with MCACC.

I'm one of those guys who think XT32 is overrated. It could be awesome technology but not in the models I have heard with it. Most of the time I feel the sound quality after a calibration with XT32 is worse sounding then when I do a manual Calibration.
MCACC isn't perfect either and there are some rooms , speaker packages I feel sound better with a full manual calibration then with MCACC.
It really comes down to the room , speaker placement and seating area which system works better. Not to mention the Sonic match between the receiver and speaker relationship. I find this to me much more important then what calibration software one has. I also find the Elite SC models to sound much better then most driving most speakers. I haven't found a home theater speaker package I preferred a XT32 AVR over a SC model.

WLDock

mantis wrote: »

Most if not all speakers perform better then removing everything from 80hz and down especially for home theater use.

I agree, I don't get the hang up with 50Hz, 80Hz, 100Hz, etc. not being enough crossover points. I really don't see what there is to gain with adding 60Hz, 70Hz, 1Hz increments, etc. for a HT system? I'm sure it could have been easily done...heck even their car audio deck the DEH-80PRS has more crossover freq. options. However, I'm sure they found them unnecessary for the HT application.