Emotiva and Bob Carver part ways...
nooshinjohn
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From the Emotiva website...
Hey all,
To clear everything up regarding Emotiva, Bob Carver, and tube amps in
general, here's an update.
First, yes, our professional relationship with Bob Carver is at an end. I
was excited to have had the opportunity to have worked with him.
Second, we're absolutely committed to making tube amps (and other
products) under the Emotiva name, and they're coming to our website in
short order. You'll see them listed under a separate series, like we've
done with the Pro products.
Finally, thank you for bearing with us in this transitional time. We
simply need to work through some details before you see tube amps for
sale on emotiva.com, and we maintain our greatest respect for Bob Carver
and his work, as well as our commitment to providing exciting tube amps
with exceptional value and performance under the Emotiva name.
All the best,
Big Dan
Hey all,
To clear everything up regarding Emotiva, Bob Carver, and tube amps in
general, here's an update.
First, yes, our professional relationship with Bob Carver is at an end. I
was excited to have had the opportunity to have worked with him.
Second, we're absolutely committed to making tube amps (and other
products) under the Emotiva name, and they're coming to our website in
short order. You'll see them listed under a separate series, like we've
done with the Pro products.
Finally, thank you for bearing with us in this transitional time. We
simply need to work through some details before you see tube amps for
sale on emotiva.com, and we maintain our greatest respect for Bob Carver
and his work, as well as our commitment to providing exciting tube amps
with exceptional value and performance under the Emotiva name.
All the best,
Big Dan
The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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Real bummer !!! I do not know why but for some sort of reason I was hoping to see this go full steam ahead and see what they came up with....Not that I could ever afford an of it, Then again maybe I could have. We'll never know now.
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InterestingPolitical Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Thank GOD nobody can call my tube amps "Emotiva" ever again... lolThe Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
Jesse you can breathe now
"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
I vvvvant to know more
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Jesse you can breathe now
Eh, no sweat off my large attachments.
What did crack me was all the talk about how Carver was going to improve the Emo amps, which of course was an admission that they need improvement. Too funny.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Spoke with Bob... I cannot go into great detail, but I can say that he just does not want to work for or with anyone. Audio is only a hobby for him now, just like the rest of us, and that is the way he likes it.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
nooshinjohn wrote: »Spoke with Bob... I cannot go into great detail, but I can say that he just does not want to work for or with anyone. Audio is only a hobby for him now, just like the rest of us, and that is the way he likes it.
I can totally picture you and bob via split screen, chatting on the phone at night time in your pj's -
polkfarmboy wrote: »I can totally picture you and bob via split screen, chatting on the phone at night time in your pj's
You post snide crap like this and then wonder why myself and others have such little respect for you... might I suggest that you find a nice corner to sit in and STFU.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
Damn John, chill out. Really not sure how you read that into PFB's post.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
No doubt. I can see it now as we are planning Polkfest....
[Polkfest member] Hello, John. I hear you are good buddies with Mr. Carver. I can totally picture you and bob via split screen, chatting on the phone at night time in your pj's.
[John] Go to hell and STFU, you snide little measly excuse for an amoeba. You have earned a new spot on my BOZO list you fool. Be sure to go ask mommy for a lollipop and don't ever post on this forum again!
Said all in good fun....
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Damn John! lol
Thankfully I didn't say anything about yall sitting around in your PJ's looking for Porcshe's on eBay to buy together ehh?--Gary--
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Funniest part of that story is picturing bob using newfangled technology........
Those that know bob understand "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
I don't EVER see that happening. HeheEndersShadow wrote: »Funniest part of that story is picturing bob using newfangled technology........
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
I think Carver has always done his own thing...and I think folks were excited to see what would happen with some capital behind him working with an outfit like Emo ...maybe creating something that performs outside its price point.
...and IMO, one is dead in the water in terms of business If you are not trying to improve your product. As much as some think EMO is a joke, I think if things had worked out with Carver and they came out with an interesting yet good price to performance tube amp with the Carver signature on it, then... I think it would have been a home run in terms of business. Remember, there were companies that made great sounding expensive products that have gone bye-bye.
Does it really matter if your product is not the be-all and end-all in detail, power, and resolution if you are making a profit? Bose is one thing but is Emo as bad as Bose? I'm not so sure? I think the Carver move was them trying to get better...can't fault a company for that? IMO, I think they have found and tapped into a market segment...there is no need to even advertise their products as being as good as products 5x the price of theirs.....just my op.2.2 Office Setup | LG 29UB55 21:9 UltraWide | HP Probook 630 G8 | Dell Latitude | Cabasse Stream Amp 100 | Boston Acoustics VS 240 | AUDIORAX Desk Stands | Mirage Omni S8 sub1 | Mirage Omni S8 Sub2 -
Just my two cents,,, age escapes none of us, and Bob has a new bride,and maybe he just wants to enjoy their time together.JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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nooshinjohn wrote: »Spoke with Bob... I cannot go into great detail, but I can say that he just does not want to work for or with anyone. Audio is only a hobby for him now, just like the rest of us, and that is the way he likes it.
Damn you and all the other "insiders" around here who won't share, preferring to take their balls and go home.
Hope that came out right ; )So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?
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It would of been nice to see a new quality audio product that didn't cost $$$$.
I say that over in the headphone world all the time. We don't need another $1500 flagship.
We need a $200-300 giant killer. Same thing with amps. EMO is filling a need.
I was hoping they could get guidance to make that killer must have product that most of us
could buy without taking out a mortgage. They have got cheap down.
Cheap and good would be a very good thing. But it wasn't meant to be."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
nooshinjohn wrote: »Spoke with Bob... I cannot go into great detail, but I can say that he just does not want to work for or with anyone. Audio is only a hobby for him now, just like the rest of us, and that is the way he likes it.
Translation: Pulling up Emo was going to be way more work than he thought.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
More so, I don't think Bob wanted to attachHT SYSTEM-
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John, does this make the "Super Amp" project more or less likely to happen?
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John, does this make the "Super Amp" project more or less likely to happen?
With Bob's assistance?
It's on my friend....
As soon as I have everybody that wants in gets off the pot, I am ready to roll.
I have decided to go with the new KT 150 output tubes, meaning these new amps will hit 500wpc @8ohms.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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I really want to hear a good amp with Kt-150s. Just tell your associates to squeeze it off and get to work.
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id love to get my ears on thatnooshinjohn wrote: »It's on my friend....
As soon as I have everybody that wants in gets off the pot, I am ready to roll.
I have decided to go with the new KT 150 output tubes, meaning these new amps will hit 500wpc @8ohms. .. -
I'd settle for the tubes John has NOW to get my ears on....
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I'd settle for the tubes John has NOW to get my ears on....
They do sound as sexy as they look.
The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
DarqueKnight wrote: »Translation: Pulling up Emo was going to be way more work than he thought.
This! Plus the fact that he is almost 70? I had to figure that out from the Stereophile article/interview with him in the '90s?
It's also incredible what a paucity of "biographical" information there is on Bob on the web? Even the WIKI entry is paltry, doesn't even say where he went to school or what university he studied engineering and physics at? Why such a lack of info? Seems BIZARRE considering the mark he has left on the field at large. I can only conclude that he is "actively" trying to erase his personal history much like another, now infamous, counter culture anti-hero of the 70s? I am just kidding of course. But I still find it odd, these days, when you can find anything. Heck there is more info about many of "us" here, including me, than Bob online?
There is, of course, most of the AUDIO history from Phase Linear on up. But that is hardly personal and complete.
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Heck there is more info about many of "us" here, including me, than Bob online?
Bob + new tech = fail. Anyone whose met him knows he prefers old school. I wonder how much he actually emails himself :biggrin:.
I think he would be OK if mail still came via horse and postal carrier and TV was a big ol tube no bigger than 24"....
That said nothing but respect for him!"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
OK, I'm starting to understand that. But, frankly, the guy is a "TECH", so just how does that work? A guy who can design amps abhors technology? Sounds oxymoronic (if that is a word).
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