SHM-SACD Lives
F1nut
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According to this person, more rock titles are coming.
The link for 'Genres: All' is back up. The link was dead for the past couple of months but it's back up. I'm told by a reliable source at Universal that there will indeed be additional rock titles. Albeit not as prolific as the jazz and classical titles, but the series is alive & well and apparently continuing. Next street dates listed are 10/23/13 and 11/27/13. For folks like me that love the SHM-SACD series, this is great news indeed!
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/popular_formats/SHM-SACD/index.html
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk
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Good to know, hopefully a trend. Anyone have Aja on SHM-SACD? I hear good things and have been drooling over it for awhile now.
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Anyone have Aja on SHM-SACD?
I do and after repeated comparisions to a high quality Japanese CD copy I have, I found the SHM-SACD lacking in that all the sound stays between the speakers and when you're running SDA's that rarely happens. There was talk of the polarity being reversed during the mastering resulting in the issue. Based on that, I cannot recommend the SHM-SACD.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I do and after repeated comparisions to a high quality Japanese CD copy I have, I found the SHM-SACD lacking in that all the sound stays between the speakers and when you're running SDA's that rarely happens. There was talk of the polarity being reversed during the mastering resulting in the issue. Based on that, I cannot recommend the SHM-SACD.
Wow, hard to believe someone could make a major faux pas like that and have it make it to pressing. I've picked up maybe a dozen SACDs since getting my Oppo player and I'm just real pleased with the format. This forum and SA-CD.net have been immensely helpful in me not getting any duds, so kudos to both. I still just have one SHM-SACD, Black Sabbath self titled, but I like that much that it has me wanting more. -
Hey Jesse,
What label put out your Japanese CD copy of Aja? That's good to know regarding the SHM-SACD.
The reason I ask is because a new limited edition import from Universal Japan will be released October 1st.
I might try my luck with that one.
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Tornado Red wrote:Wow, hard to believe someone could make a major faux pas like that and have it make it to pressing. I've picked up maybe a dozen SACDs since getting my Oppo player and I'm just real pleased with the format. This forum and SA-CD.net have been immensely helpful in me not getting any duds, so kudos to both. I still just have one SHM-SACD, Black Sabbath self titled, but I like that much that it has me wanting more.
I own a lot of SHM-SACD's and that's the only one I'm not happy with.Malbec wrote:What label put out your Japanese CD copy of Aja? That's good to know regarding the SHM-SACD.
The reason I ask is because a new limited edition import from Universal Japan will be released October 1st.
It's MCA, but put out by Universal Victor, # MVCZ-10077. I wouldn't be surprised if the new one is the same as this was a limited edition and they like to reissue popular albums every now and then.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Glad to know it wasn't just me.Aja was the first SHM I bought and the last.I wasn't impressed so I never got any others.Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC
Backup Rig-2 CH-Rogue Audio Zeus w/Factory Special Dark Mods,Joule-Electra 300ME Platinum Preamp,OPPO-105 w/Modwright Tube Mod, Auralic Aries G2.1,Polk 2.3TL,3.1TL's,Dreadnought,RTA-15TL's,1C's All Fully Modded,2xRTA-12c's ,Benchmark DAC3 HGC,Synology NAS,VPI Scout w/Dynavector DV-20XH and Rogue Audio Ares Phono Preamp,Sony PCM-R500 DAT,HHB-850 Pro CDR,Tascam CC-222SLMKII Cassette/CDR,MIT S3.3 Shotgun Cables,Shunyata Hyra-8,Shunyata and Triode Labs Power Cords
I’M OFFENDED!!!! -
Glad to know it wasn't just me.Aja was the first SHM I bought and the last.I wasn't impressed so I never got any others.
That's unfortunate because most are reference quality. For example, Who's Next and Sticky Fingers are exceptional.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
What else?
sticky Fingers was next on the list so I guess I will try it.Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC
Backup Rig-2 CH-Rogue Audio Zeus w/Factory Special Dark Mods,Joule-Electra 300ME Platinum Preamp,OPPO-105 w/Modwright Tube Mod, Auralic Aries G2.1,Polk 2.3TL,3.1TL's,Dreadnought,RTA-15TL's,1C's All Fully Modded,2xRTA-12c's ,Benchmark DAC3 HGC,Synology NAS,VPI Scout w/Dynavector DV-20XH and Rogue Audio Ares Phono Preamp,Sony PCM-R500 DAT,HHB-850 Pro CDR,Tascam CC-222SLMKII Cassette/CDR,MIT S3.3 Shotgun Cables,Shunyata Hyra-8,Shunyata and Triode Labs Power Cords
I’M OFFENDED!!!! -
Along the same line, I bought the SHM SACD of Exile On Main Street, and love it. However, I use my music server 99% of the time, and you can't copy SACDs, and I missed not being able to add some of the tracks to my R&R playlist. I knew there was a remastered CD version, but everything I read said it sucked bigtime. Then I read the original CD release was supposed to sound pretty good, and I tracked down a version on Amazon, and it does sound good. Almost at the SACD level. Now I have the best of both worlds, the SACD for when I want the best, and the CD added to my music server.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
Off the top of my head.....Let It Bleed, Beggars Banquet, John Barleycorn Must Die, all the Dire Straits, Blind Faith, Layla, Gasoline Alley.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I could see Who's Next ending up in my collection. Most reviews on CD Japan rate it as excellent as well, just one or two naysayers. Have any of you had the experience of these discs having to be 'played' several times before they start sounding better? Not saying I subscribe to that theory, don't have enough experience with these discs to say one way or the other, but it is out there.
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Tornado Red wrote: »I could see Who's Next ending up in my collection.
I bought that SHM SACD, and Wheels of Fire by Cream at the same time. Both are pretty good, but I find myself playing Wheels of Fire more than Who's Next. I can't really say if they sound better after being played. My music memory isn't that good.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
Have any of you had the experience of these discs having to be 'played' several times before they start sounding better?
Yeah, I have and it's the strangest damn thing.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I can't really say if they sound better after being played. My music memory isn't that good.
You say that like it's a bad thing. I sure wish I could acquire that ability sometimes.....and I'm not being funny. The grass is always greener on the other side kind of thing.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC
Backup Rig-2 CH-Rogue Audio Zeus w/Factory Special Dark Mods,Joule-Electra 300ME Platinum Preamp,OPPO-105 w/Modwright Tube Mod, Auralic Aries G2.1,Polk 2.3TL,3.1TL's,Dreadnought,RTA-15TL's,1C's All Fully Modded,2xRTA-12c's ,Benchmark DAC3 HGC,Synology NAS,VPI Scout w/Dynavector DV-20XH and Rogue Audio Ares Phono Preamp,Sony PCM-R500 DAT,HHB-850 Pro CDR,Tascam CC-222SLMKII Cassette/CDR,MIT S3.3 Shotgun Cables,Shunyata Hyra-8,Shunyata and Triode Labs Power Cords
I’M OFFENDED!!!! -
Yeah way!
If I hadn't read of other folks experiencing the same I might have thought I'd lost it.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
That's just crazy.I have NEVER heard of such a thing.
I guess I'll have to test it myself.Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC
Backup Rig-2 CH-Rogue Audio Zeus w/Factory Special Dark Mods,Joule-Electra 300ME Platinum Preamp,OPPO-105 w/Modwright Tube Mod, Auralic Aries G2.1,Polk 2.3TL,3.1TL's,Dreadnought,RTA-15TL's,1C's All Fully Modded,2xRTA-12c's ,Benchmark DAC3 HGC,Synology NAS,VPI Scout w/Dynavector DV-20XH and Rogue Audio Ares Phono Preamp,Sony PCM-R500 DAT,HHB-850 Pro CDR,Tascam CC-222SLMKII Cassette/CDR,MIT S3.3 Shotgun Cables,Shunyata Hyra-8,Shunyata and Triode Labs Power Cords
I’M OFFENDED!!!! -
I do and after repeated comparisions to a high quality Japanese CD copy I have, I found the SHM-SACD lacking in that all the sound stays between the speakers and when you're running SDA's that rarely happens. There was talk of the polarity being reversed during the mastering resulting in the issue. Based on that, I cannot recommend the SHM-SACD.
So if I hit the "inverse polarity" switch on the VK-31, it should improve the soundstage, right Jesse?
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."![:\](https://forum.polkaudio.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
Hell try it, I don't know.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
That's just crazy.I have NEVER heard of such a thing.
I guess I'll have to test it myself.
I know, I know.....
Something else, apparently those discs are very fragile. I've read reports of the disc cracking from someone cleaning it.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I'll give it a try tomorrow and report back what I find........
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
Wow, I was just looking over the list at CDJapan, a lot of "out of print" titles now.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Sorry, didn't have a chance to do the polarity inverse on the Aja SHM-SACD. Will give it a go tomorrow and report back.
You are right Jesse, a lot of out of print titles in the SHM-SACD list now......
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
OK, I listened to "Black Cow" from the SHM-SACD of Aja on the VK-31 and switched the poalrity back and forth in real time a number of times using the remote. I could not tell a difference in the audio soundstage width, height, or depth at all. The clarity and detail seemed identical in both "normal" polarity and inverse polarity. Not sure if the claims of Aja being mastered out of polarity are incorrect, the VK-31 didn't fix the issue, or both? I couldn't hear a difference though, that's all I know.
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
Well, thanks for trying it.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I bought the Black Sabbath Paranoid SHM-SACD to test the SHM waters and I found the tape hiss unbearable in places. I'll have to try that Who's Next it is one of my favorites...
Maybe I should play the Black Sabbath more maybe the tape hiss will go away......not holding breath -
I don't have that one, but I noticed a bit more tape hiss on a few of the SHM-SACD's compared to the CD versions I have. The reason for this is a lot the SHM-SACD's are direct transfers from the original master tapes. Therefore, what you are hearing is exactly what the master tape sounds like, which I think is pretty cool.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I bought the Black Sabbath Paranoid SHM-SACD to test the SHM waters and I found the tape hiss unbearable in places. I'll have to try that Who's Next it is one of my favorites...
Maybe I should play the Black Sabbath more maybe the tape hiss will go away......not holding breath
I have the Sabbath self titled, and there's a bit of hiss on it as well, not a deal breaker though. 43 year old masters and all. To expand on what F1 said, I think along with some hiss vs the cd, comes a lot of great sounding music as well. It's like a veil was lifted and the music doesn't sound near as muffled, unfortunately the hiss comes along for the ride. As far as having SHMs sound better the more they're played, according to what I've read it's a gradual thing. I'm wondering if one could speed up the process, make it more noticeable, such as: listen to the disc thoroughly, then shut off your system and just run your player, setting it up to repeat and let it run through the day and/or night. Then try it again while the last listen is still fairly fresh in your mind and see if you think there's a difference. -
I don't have that one, but I noticed a bit more tape hiss on a few of the SHM-SACD's compared to the CD versions I have. The reason for this is a lot the SHM-SACD's are direct transfers from the original master tapes. Therefore, what you are hearing is exactly what the master tape sounds like, which I think is pretty cool.Tornado Red wrote: »I have the Sabbath self titled, and there's a bit of hiss on it as well, not a deal breaker though. 43 year old masters and all. To expand on what F1 said, I think along with some hiss vs the cd, comes a lot of great sounding music as well. It's like a veil was lifted and the music doesn't sound near as muffled, unfortunately the hiss comes along for the ride. As far as having SHMs sound better the more they're played, according to what I've read it's a gradual thing. I'm wondering if one could speed up the process, make it more noticeable, such as: listen to the disc thoroughly, then shut off your system and just run your player, setting it up to repeat and let it run through the day and/or night. Then try it again while the last listen is still fairly fresh in your mind and see if you think there's a difference.
While I do agree with you both somewhat on the hiss, I sometimes do wish there was some sort of Dolby S or HXpro that would remove it to some extent. I do completely understand that back 35-40 yrs ago tape was not at it's best then let alone ways to remove the dragging noise across the head. -
While I do agree with you both somewhat on the hiss, I sometimes do wish there was some sort of Dolby S or HXpro that would remove it to some extent. I do completely understand that back 35-40 yrs ago tape was not at it's best then let alone ways to remove the dragging noise across the head.
No, trust me the tape hiss is always better than noise reduction/cancelation. I am against altering what is physically present on the tape, including hiss. This includes drop in edits, splices, etc. These things are all part of the recording. The edits, splices, etc. were done as part of the recording process and make up the way the recording turned out. Even EQ-ing the recording is bad (IMO) in most cases. This is of course my opinion. It is based upon what has been done to recordings in the past when they are "cleaned up", "improved", etc. A classic example are the remastered recording (NOT remixed ones) of the Genesis albums on CD. If you compare these re-mastered recordings (example: Selling England By The Pound) to the original master put out on CD, the original sounds so much better (having more detail, especially) than the remastered ones done in 1994-ish using "No-noise". It's terrible what was done to these recordings.
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee
