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  • ZLTFUL
    ZLTFUL Posts: 5,648
    edited August 2013
    tonyb wrote: »
    LOL.....Now that's sig material there. Good advice......

    Indeed it is.

    I look at this group as sort of an extended (and exceedingly dysfuntional) family.
    Sure, we have our drunken uncles who keep trying to grope their underaged neices, but overall, we are just a fun loving bunch of folks who have a common love for audio.
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,963
    edited August 2013
    Absolutely....^^^^^, well said. BTW-which one of us is the drunken uncle with groping hands ? :lol: I'm nominating H9 for that illustrious position in the family. He just has that "look". :cheesygrin:
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,498
    edited August 2013
    Sitting on a park bench.....:twisted::cheesygrin:

    [video=youtube_share;v43LNBDNBIk]http://youtu.be/v43LNBDNBIk[/video]
    Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 *
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  • ZLTFUL
    ZLTFUL Posts: 5,648
    edited August 2013
    tonyb wrote: »
    Absolutely....^^^^^, well said. BTW-which one of us is the drunken uncle with groping hands ? :lol: I'm nominating H9 for that illustrious position in the family. He just has that "look". :cheesygrin:

    I've never seen heiney (har...har...har) but I am pretty sure, based on his posts that he is definitely gropey. :mrgreen:
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,498
    edited August 2013
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    I've never seen heiney (har...har...har) but I am pretty sure, based on his posts that he is definitely gropey. :mrgreen:

    I have spent much time with Brock alone and with friends and he has never groped at one of us men folk; their may or may not have been some gropes for passing females.:cheesygrin:
    Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 *
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  • leftwinger57
    leftwinger57 Posts: 2,917
    edited August 2013
    I think we can all agree that there is bigger ,better ,faster,in everything obtainable.Would I like a Mac 275 hell yea but what would I being doing w/ such a machine ,No golden ear here, got to Telefunkens, Gold Lions, Sylvainias,Sovteks,RCAs way to much to deal with. Like art and music it'self I believe this tube amp /vs. ss can be all subjective.Advantages to ss, clean instant on power , not to much drain on electric, my Adcom can push just about any speaker out there and then it shuts down nice and easy piesy.Tubes ,warm up time ,excessive heat , more power draw w/ the bigger amps oh and warm fuzzy sound I keep hearing about.Keep it.Yes I have heard Audio Reasearch tubes and integrated amps and some other way over the top high end tube amps and I would still go the way I'm going.Different strokes .....
    2chl- Adcom GFA- 555-Onkyo P-3150v pre/amp- JVC-QL-A200 tt- Denon 1940 ci cdp- Adcom GFS-6 -Modded '87 SDA 2Bs - Dynamat Ext.- BH-5- X-Overs VR-3, RDO-194 tweeters, Larry's Rings, Speakon/Neutrik I/C- Cherry stain tops Advent Maestros,Ohm model E

    H/T- Toshiba au40" flat- Yamaha RX- V665 avr- YSD-11 Dock- I-Pod- Klipsch #400HD Speaker set-

    Bdrm- Nikko 6065 receiver- JBL -G-200s--Pioneer 305 headphones--Sony CE375-5 disc
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited August 2013
    Quality watts are the most important factory when it comes to sound quality, but physics does still dictate audio. Bass response takes power, and a pair of corner horns sound amazing with 500wpc monoblocks...
    Jake
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,498
    edited August 2013
    leftwinger57 wrote: »
    Advantages to ss, clean instant on power , not to much drain on electric, my Adcom can push just about any speaker out there.....

    Just to expound, it depends on the biasing. Electronics exhibit their lowest distortion and best performance at a specific design voltage and temperature. All amps have a transconductance curve; what comes out versus what goes in. In a Class A device, high bias results in high heat. Class A/B, less heat. Transistor type makes a difference. Are they taking temp off the heat sink for bias? It will take some time for it to stabilize. Transistors are available with internal temp sensors now so bias can be more respsonsive. All depends on the design as to how quickly we get the best performance specs of the amp we are using.

    Buy yes, different strokes does apply.
    Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 *
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  • strider
    strider Posts: 2,568
    edited August 2013
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    Just to expound, it depends on the biasing. Electronics exhibit their lowest distortion and best performance at a specific design voltage and temperature. All amps have a transconductance curve; what comes out versus what goes in. In a Class A device, high bias results in high heat. Class A/B, less heat. Transistor type makes a difference. Are they taking temp off the heat sink for bias? It will take some time for it to stabilize. Transistors are available with internal temp sensors now so bias can be more respsonsive. All depends on the design as to how quickly we get the best performance specs of the amp we are using.

    Damn skippy. My little Class A 27wpc SS amp feels twice as hot as my tube pre. Fairly certain that if my wife found out how much the amp draws sitting powered on all day every day she'd be flipping the switch off when I was at work, too...
    Wristwatch--->Crisco
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  • strider
    strider Posts: 2,568
    edited August 2013
    Mikey081057 wrote: »
    Ha Great signature... Broken Hearts are for A**holes!

    I bet only a rare few know the reference.

    Zappa greatest ever!

    I was going to change it to another FZ quote, but I kinda like the way the forum software censors it. I can't even make wris* ***ch two words without it adding the asterisks.
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,498
    edited August 2013
    strider wrote: »
    Damn skippy. My little Class A 27wpc SS amp feels twice as hot as my tube pre. Fairly certain that if my wife found out how much the amp draws sitting powered on all day every day she'd be flipping the switch off when I was at work, too...

    I had a Krell Class A amp here for a spell that pulled ~12 amps idle. :cheesygrin:

    I've had some simple innocent words get censored too. Can't recall what though. I can understand chump m f getting censored...:eek:
    Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 *
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  • leftwinger57
    leftwinger57 Posts: 2,917
    edited August 2013
    D, you might totally right by my attitude towards want and desire.But as 60 y/o dude I have heard tube amps and through the years both going to audio stores and my job as an alarm installer while at clients houses listened to plenty of systems w/ of course the owners permission.i really should stop the woe is me routine I get that but that, it's not going to change the fact I prefer ss to a tube amp for most of the reasons I gave before beyond cost. No, I really liked your write up and did not take it anyway but helpful...Lew
    2chl- Adcom GFA- 555-Onkyo P-3150v pre/amp- JVC-QL-A200 tt- Denon 1940 ci cdp- Adcom GFS-6 -Modded '87 SDA 2Bs - Dynamat Ext.- BH-5- X-Overs VR-3, RDO-194 tweeters, Larry's Rings, Speakon/Neutrik I/C- Cherry stain tops Advent Maestros,Ohm model E

    H/T- Toshiba au40" flat- Yamaha RX- V665 avr- YSD-11 Dock- I-Pod- Klipsch #400HD Speaker set-

    Bdrm- Nikko 6065 receiver- JBL -G-200s--Pioneer 305 headphones--Sony CE375-5 disc
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  • B Run
    B Run Posts: 1,888
    edited August 2013
    Not trying to hijack but i'd like some opinions from anyone with tube experience. I've had plenty of horn speakers that I liked, but i'll never go back once I got my ZU's. I'm already looking at the Soul with 99db efficiency, should be able to drive it with about anything. I just got the Peachtree Nova with an Amperex 7308 tube in the preamp, and all it made me want to do is sell it and go to a full tube amp setup. The Omen's are 12ohm 97db efficient and I think i've got a few options available, prob going to try a SET amp and see how it works. I never have wanted to get into tubes until now, but I really want a nice little tube amp in my living room. Does anyone know if it'd be ok for daily use and tv watching, being turned on and off a few times a day? That's the only reason i've avoided tubes until now, but I don't think I can live in the dark anymore :twisted:
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited August 2013
    B Run, I use mine in just that way. I have a pair of Manley Mahi EL-84 amps powering the ZU Omen Def and its a great combination. You don't need such an expensive amp so the point is that the sound of the EL-84 tubes is great with the ZU, just a data point. You may or may not like the 300B tubes with the ZU, at least I'm on the fence with that combo.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • B Run
    B Run Posts: 1,888
    edited August 2013
    Nice, thanks for the help. I've got someone buying my Nova today so i'll shop around and see what I can find.
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  • B Run
    B Run Posts: 1,888
    edited August 2013
    Checking out the Grant Fidelity site, ran across this hybrid integrated that really peaked my interest. My budget was $800 so it's about right, it's a tube pre with SS amp, seems like a good deal based on the original price. Any opinions? http://shop.grantfidelity.com/Clearance-Shengya-A-216-Integrated-Hybrid-Amplifier.html
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  • Dawgfish
    Dawgfish Posts: 2,554
    edited August 2013
    Brandon, I can definitely recommend a tube amp for your Omens. A Primaluna Prologue 4 sounds awesome with them. I'm listening to my Omens powered by the Primaluna right now as I type this and it sounds heavenly! You can buy them brand new from Upscale Audio for around $1000. They are awesome! Great sound quality, auto-bias, tube grid protection circuit, you can run a wide range of power tubes in them (6l6s, EL34s, KT88s, KT90s, KT120s), point to point wiring, etc. I've had many tube and solid state amps that listed for much more than the PL, but to my ears none of them has sounded as good in my system as the PL.

    Keeping on theme with the thread, the PL is only rated at 35wpc, but it has to be the strongest 35wpc amp I've heard. It pushes a pair of hard to drive Magnapans without breaking a sweat. If I were in your shoes, that's what I would go with. You can thank me later!
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  • B Run
    B Run Posts: 1,888
    edited August 2013
    Well i'm a huge **** and couldn't bite the bullet on a full tube setup. I just bought a Peachtree iNova because I liked the Nova so much, and it was on sale for the exact price I sold my Nova for today. My problem was I really really like the DAC in the iNova, and my budget was $800ish and I needed a dac, remote capability and a hookup for my subwoofer up too. I think within the year i'll break down and do a nice tube setup and standalone dac, but for now couldn't pass up the deal. PS the iNova refurbs are selling for $799 ($1,000 off original retail) straight from Peachtree until the end of the week. Sorry to thread hijack and thanks for the advice. Dskip I really would like to take you up on your offer sometime, if nothing else always a chance to hear some new gear and meet a fellow Polkie. Thanks again for all the help everyone.
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  • B Run
    B Run Posts: 1,888
    edited August 2013
    Sounds good, definitely will do. If anyone ever wants to get together in Austin i'm always more than willing as well. Thanks again man I appreciate it.
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