MADd and DADDDS... and YOU

nooshinjohn

http://www.dadss.org/


This group's goal is to breathalyze (or other technology, but the intent is the same) every single driver in the U.S. BEFORE we can start our cars... I know a bit about drunks and driving, as half my family members on my mom's side have been busted for it, but to force law abiding people to either pay for these devices to be installed in their existing cars or forced to pay for it to become standard equipment in every new car is absurd IMHO.

treitz3

Still will not stop the crackheads, dope fiends, pill pushers or sometimes even worse yet.....the legal prescription pills that doctors administer with their "side effects". Must be a California thing as I have not heard of this yet.

Tom

teekay0007

You've heard of designated drivers....well, this gives entry to an entirely new group - designated breathers (exhalers). :eek: There'd really be no way to tell if the one who exhaled into the device was the actual driver of the vehicle. A sober, or just less-inebriated passenger - or, any sober passerby in the parking lot of the local pub - could do the exhaling necessary to get the vehicle started. Then, after a drunk driver was arrested or in an accident, you'd have attorneys coming out of the woodwork to sue the company that manufactured the device, saying that it gave the "OK" for the driver to proceed. Additionally, this device would be ineffective in the case of those who might be sober when they start the car but actually drink alcohol while driving. And, how about those who would simply drive to the bar and just leave the car running in the lot while they go inside?

Hmmmm....lots of what ifs here.

F1nut

Truly amazing that some folks think the answer to everything is regulation/laws.....so naive, so stupid!!! That one would be so easy to beat it's not even funny. There are any number of devices one could fill with your sober breath to be used later to pass the test device. It took me seconds to think of that and I don't drink.

BlueFox

Keiko wrote: »

F.A.R.T. Fathers Against Radical Teens

D.A.M.M. Drunks Against Mad Mothers

While drinking and driving certainly do not go together, most traffic deaths are caused by sober drivers. We need to work both sides of this coin to make further progress.

Phasewolf

I have a small air pump for filling a tire that will defeat this. So are they going to stop the sale of small electric air pumps too so you can't bypass it??

Yea they can keep this crap they come near my car I will shoot them good luck.

tonyb

BlueFox wrote: »

D.A.M.M. Drunks Against Mad Mothers

While drinking and driving certainly do not go together, most traffic deaths are caused by sober drivers. We need to work both sides of this coin to make further progress.

Good point.

Msabot1

MADD is nothing more than a PAC....the current OVI laws....08, has nothing to do with safety and all about local revenue enhancement!

charley95

Gee, It's funny that they don't mention the dangers of talking on a damn phone while driving! I have only been rear ended 4 times by these idiots. My phone does not exist when I drive. I sold my nice cars years ago due to this ever growing problem that is equally as dangerous as drunk driving. If people want to talk on phones in cars, pull into a parking lot and do it and stay away from me and let me drive!

DollarDave

To defeat the "designated blowers", the current equipment has a camera incorporated into it so that the breather and the picture need to match. As for fooling the system with an air can or something, that won't work either as the breath is analyzed for other normal elements found in exhaled breath. These things are very effective when calibrated regularly (like once a month), and that would be an added recurring cost to all drivers. The also require you to continue to blow in them randomly every 20 to 40 minutes while driving when it beeps at you.

It is likely they will win, they have a very strong lobby and an emotional argument.

Did you know that some years back they changed the law so that someone 20 or 30 years ago that had a DUI/DWI that was supposed to be removed from their driving record after a period of time, now has it back on there? A person may have taken a plea bargain instead of going to court and now they would face a repeat offender DUI/DWI after 20+ years? That was not the intent of the repeat offender laws when they were passed - I can't think of any other misdemeanor that stays on the books forever.

The bottom line is why should people like my wife and I who don't drink, bear the burden and cost of proving ourselves innocent of drinking and driving before and while we drive?

Msabot1

Trouble is...if you get popped for OVI, you are going up against a stacked deck. I had a couple of friends that had to deal with this,the whole system is weighted toward the cops and judges and system...neither one of my friends were impaired in any way,yet they had to either plea down or take a conviction. In fact they weren't pulled over for impaired driving to begin with. They were stopped for some other ridiculous excuse to satisfy a quota. One of em was just going home at about one am from his shift from the hospital...this stuff happens all the time around here...

Msabot1

Dave...lived just outside Katy in a place called Cinco Ranch....I miss it down there...Katy was a neat little town!

DollarDave

Msabot1 wrote: »

Dave...lived just outside Katy in a place called Cinco Ranch....I miss it down there...Katy was a neat little town!

I'm out in Cinco Southwest, in the Seven Lakes HS area. So much new construction going on, I estimate that there are over 1,000 new homes under construction. When we moved here about 12 years ago, Katy ended about 7 miles east of here and now it goes about 5 miles beyond us! 4 new high schools have opened since we got here.

Msabot1

I remember taking a pretty big gator out of one of the water traps on the Golf Course at Cinco...bout a nine footer! Everyone told me that things were going to boom there....crap should have stayed...Andy Dalton,quarterback for the Bengals is from Katy,probably was a little kid when I lived there.

tonyb

DaveMuell wrote: »

The bottom line is why should people like my wife and I who don't drink, bear the burden and cost of proving ourselves innocent of drinking and driving before and while we drive?

Good question.....maybe for the same reasons you have to carry that burden and additional costs of those who don't have Healthcare, or don't want to work, feed themselves, school themselves, clothe or house themselves, buy their own cell phones, or even register to vote themselves.

zingo

F1nut wrote: »

Truly amazing that some folks think the answer to everything is regulation/laws.....so naive, so stupid!!!

Bingo. The only thing that will keep our society decent is everyone being accountable of their own actions, and thinking about other people before yourself. We also need to bring back old-school style shame, as it's a very powerful motivator in society....

Moose68Bash

zingo wrote: »

Bingo. The only thing that will keep our society decent is everyone being accountable of their own actions, and thinking about other people before yourself. We also need to bring back old-school style shame, as it's a very powerful motivator in society....

Bingo, zingo.

One of my favorite sayings:

"Once you have to write down the rules, you've already lost the game!"

What we need is a shared commitment to an underlying set of values and principles, coupled with individual integrity. Perhaps, we have never had that completely, but now we are so far away from an unspoken consensus about right and wrong and a shared commitment to living our lives according to that consensus, that every group with a specific cause or interest seeks legislation or regulation to impose its "rules" on others. So, we've lost the game because too many people believe we have to write down all the rules!

Just MHO.

billbillw

Msabot1 wrote: »

Trouble is...if you get popped for OVI, you are going up against a stacked deck. I had a couple of friends that had to deal with this,the whole system is weighted toward the cops and judges and system...neither one of my friends were impaired in any way,yet they had to either plea down or take a conviction. In fact they weren't pulled over for impaired driving to begin with. They were stopped for some other ridiculous excuse to satisfy a quota. One of em was just going home at about one am from his shift from the hospital...this stuff happens all the time around here...

I'm sorry, but if your friends were not impaired in any way, what charges were they facing? What evidence did the police have?

cnh

Just imagine if they substituted a short PSYCH PROFILE test before you could turn over the engine. Most of Polkies would be off the road, permanently. lol

cnh

Msabot1

Bill...the cops had no evidence..no breathalyzer ...no field tests...dashcam camera turned off,or that's what they say. Trouble is judges side with the cops and are not objective about the facts...It's a big moneymaker for the county here.

tonyb

It's a big money maker for the counties everywhere......just so you don't feel lonely in that regard.

Police forces are now turned into a money generating entity instead of a money consuming one. In turn, just simple policing of the streets is now not the top priority.

mrbigbluelight

There currently is a Federal effort to reduce the intoxication limit from .08 to .05.

This might possibly make our roadways "safer". If it does, I'd give the percentage increase at about, oh .. 0.000001%.

By sheer coincidence this will increase the percantage of "DUI" and "DWI" arrests by ... ?. 10 % ? 20 % ?
And with every "DUI" and "DWI" arrest comes a truckload of expenses.
Lawyers fees, to be sure.
Court costs, to be sure.
Court-mandated "psychological evaluation" (to see if you're fit for the following)
Court-mandated "re-education" classes. ("Why You Drink 101", "Why Drinking & Driving is Bad 102", etc).

Many thousands of dollars in expenses, just because you stopped for A beer on the way home from work.
And now a LIFELONG record of your misdeeds.

Many of these court-mandated programs/classes are provided by private companies that have won bids to provide these services.
By sheer coincidence, many of these companies have the wives/cousins/nephews/in-laws of the judges ordering "treatment" in these programs.
(BTW, same thing applies to "Emissions Testing Stations", at least here locally. Owned by judges)

Yet, since the intox levels been steadily dropped from .10 to .08 and potentially .05, have you not heard and read of quite a number of cases where a repeat offender is arrested. Absolutely have here locally.
Yet, these repeat offenders keep ..... well, repeating. Why ?
IMO, the system doesn't want to take a cash cow out of the loop.
Pretty much the same principle as "Catch and Release" in fishing; you release so someone else can have the pleasure of catching the same fish later.

But, I suppose we have to do something to "protect the children", so ... say, I just had a thought ! How about we ban alcohol all together ! That would probably work, wouldn't it ?

mrbigbluelight

There currently is a Federal effort to reduce the intoxication limit from .08 to .05.

This might possibly make our roadways "safer". If it does, I'd give the percentage increase at about, oh .. 0.000001%.

By sheer coincidence this will increase the percantage of "DUI" and "DWI" arrests by ... ?. 10 % ? 20 % ?
And with every "DUI" and "DWI" arrest comes a truckload of expenses.
Lawyers fees, to be sure.
Court costs, to be sure.
Court-mandated "psychological evaluation" (to see if you're fit for the following)
Court-mandated "re-education" classes. ("Why You Drink 101", "Why Drinking & Driving is Bad 102", etc).

Many thousands of dollars in expenses, just because you stopped for A beer on the way home from work.
And now a LIFELONG record of your misdeeds.

Many of these court-mandated programs/classes are provided by private companies that have won bids to provide these services.
By sheer coincidence, many of these companies have the wives/cousins/nephews/in-laws of the judges ordering "treatment" in these programs.
(BTW, same thing applies to "Emissions Testing Stations", at least here locally. Owned by judges)

Yet, since the intox levels been steadily dropped from .10 to .08 and potentially .05, have you not heard and read of quite a number of cases where a repeat offender is arrested. Absolutely have here locally.
Yet, these repeat offenders keep ..... well, repeating. Why ?
IMO, the system doesn't want to take a cash cow out of the loop.
Pretty much the same principle as "Catch and Release" in fishing; you release so someone else can have the pleasure of catching the same fish later.

But, I suppose we have to do something to "protect the children", so ... say, I just had a thought ! How about we ban alcohol all together ! That would probably work, wouldn't it ?

sucks2beme

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/153051/flexi-grips

IT still beats having to do this

tonyb

Mr. BBL, Nice post bro and spot on. As we always say....follow the money.

billbillw

Msabot1 wrote: »

Bill...the cops had no evidence..no breathalyzer ...no field tests...dashcam camera turned off,or that's what they say. Trouble is judges side with the cops and are not objective about the facts...It's a big moneymaker for the county here.

Well, if your friends pleaded out, then they were fools. Ask for trial by jury. No evidence, no conviction. I'd represent myself in that case. If your judges are biased, then vote them out next election.

oldmodman

Msabot1 wrote: »

Bill...the cops had no evidence..no breathalyzer ...no field tests...dashcam camera turned off,or that's what they say. Trouble is judges side with the cops and are not objective about the facts...It's a big moneymaker for the county here.

I got stopped once driving home late at night.
The police immediately accused me of being drunk and wanted me to do a field sobriety test. I had ingested absolutely no alcohol in six month, and no drugs in 35 years.
I told them that I wanted to be taken to the nearest hospital for a blood alcohol and drug test.
They cut me loose immediately. They knew that the blood test is irrefutable as proof of sobriety and lack of detectable drug usage.
The field sobriety test is just a matter of opinion and they can say anything they want, and then repeat it in front of a judge.
Once they have you in the system you are doomed.

codyc1ark

A lot of people want things, that they will never get. This seems to be one of those things.


You know what they say, want in one hand and....

nooshinjohn

codyc1ark wrote: »

A lot of people want things, that they will never get. This seems to be one of those things.


You know what they say, want in one hand and....

I wish what you say was true, but answer me this. What have they wanted over the past fifty years that they haven't gotten their way on?

On every single social, political, or economic point, they have accomplished every single agenda item except removing firearms from the homes of those that want to own one. On that last point it cannot be argued that they haven't tried. Liberty is a precious thing, and each and every time they come up with a solution like this and force it upon us, a little more liberty is lost.

I care as much and as deeply about the innocent lost from impaired drivers, but I care even more about 349 million innocent Americans that will be presumed guilty every time they start their car. each time we sacrifice an ounce of liberty for safety and security, we gain neither, and get a pound of tyranny instead.

codyc1ark

John, I guess I kind find a breathalyzer in every car a ridiculous idea. I'm not sure of the facts, and I don't like to assume. However, I will assume that the auto manufactures have quite a bit more pull (lobbying) than a few organizations against drunk driving.

I'm not certain where the rest of that came from, but I'll leave it alone.

decal

zingo wrote: »

Bingo. The only thing that will keep our society decent is everyone being accountable of their own actions, and thinking about other people before yourself. We also need to bring back old-school style shame, as it's a very powerful motivator in society....

From what I have seen in the last 20 years, society has no shame nor do they care about it.