XPR-1 Review for EMO fans

eclypse

pearsall001 wrote: »

Still no one is challanging the Audioholics very positive review of the new Polk LSiM 703's???? I for one am not the least bit interested in getting my ears on them after such s bogus review from those dim wits over there. I wonder if the new Emo amp would make them sound any better? Just food for thought.

I'll be sure to let you know soon enough! haha.. XPA-1 or XPA-1L will prob be my first amp that I try out.. If it sounds wrong i'll send it back and start hunting ebay for a used something.

heiney9

Jhayman wrote: »

to quote H9
"Soild, well priced gear for entry level audio enthusiasts to START with "after they finally realize an AVR receiver is no longer the holy grail it once was.

Just like your Dared some would say, lol

The difference is I don't go around saying they changed the game or if u pay more you're a sucker or it's better than anything else for a lot less $$$$

heiney9

pearsall001 wrote: »

Still no one is challanging the Audioholics very positive review of the new Polk LSiM 703's???? I for one am not the least bit interested in getting my ears on them after such s bogus review from those dim wits over there. I wonder if the new Emo amp would make them sound any better? Just food for thought.

I already said I have zero regard for any audioholics or avs reviews.

ALL212

Mines still bigger...

:eek:

Systems

heiney9 wrote: »

The difference is I don't go around saying they changed the game or if u pay more you're a sucker or it's better than anything else for a lot less $$$$

Love ya Brock.
New beginnings and all, but you just DARED me to explain?:eek:

Gloat it AGAIN, different folks, different product........
If I had a dollar for everytime I DARED you to explain.............

Should I do a search?

Systems

should i do a search?

Dared me!:cheesygrin:

Jhayman

Hummm where in this thread did I say , you're a sucker if you pay more or it's better than anything else for a lot less.
Yes I did say they are a game changer and I stick by that, as any company that buys another company in the same business of course is changing the game..
Just wait till they buy up Dared..what will you do..

heiney9 wrote: »

The difference is I don't go around saying they changed the game or if u pay more you're a sucker or it's better than anything else for a lot less $$$$

Systems

heiney9 wrote: »

I already said I have zero regard for any audioholics or avs reviews.

With affection beaming in one eye, and calculation shining out of the other

nooshinjohn

Jhayman wrote: »

Yes I did say they are a game changer and I stick by that, as any company that buys another company in the same business of course is changing the game..
Just wait till they buy up Dared..what will you do..

If you truly knew 1/100th of what you think you do, then what you post might have some relevance on that "game changer" remark. The '64 Pontiac GTO was a game changer, as was the 64 1/2 Mustang, and the 426 Hemi...

Dan buying a little internet tube amp company is not going to change a thing...

headrott

nooshinjohn wrote: »

If you truly knew 1/100th of what you think you do, then what you post might have some relevance on that "game changer" remark. The '64 Pontiac GTO was a game changer, as was the 64 1/2 Mustang, and the 426 Hemi...

Dan buying a little internet tube amp company is not going to change a thing...

That and the sound from an Emo amp is not a star that outshines every other star in the sky and completely outdoes anything in their price range and certainly not in a higher price range with higher quality parts and design (i.e. BAT, Pass, Musical Fidelity, etc.). The facts are the facts. Better quality parts and design sound better. That's it.

teekay0007

F1nut wrote: »

Correct and lab specs cannot tell you how a piece of gear sounds.

Right! For that, you need some good ol' double-blinded randomized trials.

teekay0007

BlueFox wrote: »

It would seem to me that a review which starts with Although it lacks the snob appeal of some of the expensive and prestigious brands is either pushing an agenda, or trying to rationalize some unstated shortcomings. What is expensive in this case? $2000? $20,000?

No worries, BF, I'm sure they're just referring to those types of folks that buy those $1K-$3K power cables. :razz:

teekay0007

heiney9 wrote: »

Measurements mean nothing, NOTHING.

I disagree. Take Parasound, for example, a brand that seems (to me) to be nearly universally liked and/or respected here. You can go to their website and read page after page of the spec's of all their amps, current and discontinued. It most certainly gives you some valuable information in trying to find an amp that might fit your needs and your budget. If these measurements meant NOTHING, then why even list them?

Jhayman

Wow you really think you know it all, if you did then you would know that one of the MANY definitions of Game Changer is "conceives an entirely new plan by exploring new locations and different products.. ie Carver Tubes
Game Changer is not just what YOU think it means..

nooshinjohn wrote: »

If you truly knew 1/100th of what you think you do, then what you post might have some relevance on that "game changer" remark. The '64 Pontiac GTO was a game changer, as was the 64 1/2 Mustang, and the 426 Hemi...

Dan buying a little internet tube amp company is not going to change a thing...

Jhayman

Who said it does, I don't recall saying that in this thread anywhere..
I like my flavour and you like yours..The End

headrott wrote: »

That and the sound from an Emo amp is not a star that outshines every other star in the sky and completely outdoes anything in their price range and certainly not in a higher price range with higher quality parts and design (i.e. BAT, Pass, Musical Fidelity, etc.). The facts are the facts. Better quality parts and design sound better. That's it.

Habanero Monk

nooshinjohn wrote: »

If you truly knew 1/100th of what you think you do, then what you post might have some relevance on that "game changer" remark. The '64 Pontiac GTO was a game changer, as was the 64 1/2 Mustang, and the 426 Hemi...

Dan buying a little internet tube amp company is not going to change a thing...

If Emotiva can bring out their XMC-1 w/o any major firmware issues I think that is going to be a game changer. TRINNOV room correction will be a first in a non-pro installer scenario, balanced (xlr) outputs. They mostly figured everything out with their previous HT Pre-Pros (to the chagrin of some customers no doubt).

At $1500 that is a game changer.

As far as a marketing move, which is what I believe it to be, it's pretty savvy to have brought Carver on board. I also believe with the Carver is an Emotiva thread I saw referenced elsewhere they have had past dealings (?) So maybe Dan and Bob have always had a good relationship.

Polkie2009

It would be great if someone could put together a straight up amp shootout with Emotiva and the other brands of amps we enjoy. Just to see and hear once and for all if the Emotivas can compare. Did anyone get blown away by the Emotiva amps at this year's CES or more recently at the Lone Star Audio Fest last weekend?

Habanero Monk

kuntasensei wrote: »

See, people say that... but pretty much every thread I've seen get shut down over this didn't have ANY of that attitude from the people who are happy with their Emotiva gear. The attacks seem to come in advance, as if the anti-Emo people just expect that to be the inevitable result, so we can never have a civil thread where this one particular brand is concerned. I really don't see people evangelize Emotiva here much. I do, however, see people have to endure the same nonsense from people who don't seem happy unless they're keeping Emotiva owners in check somehow.

I've said it before... The anti-Emotiva attitude here is what steered me away from them and toward used amps. That didn't work out well for me, and when I ultimately caved and bought an Emo XPA-3, I was happier with the sound it gave me than I was with the Parasound or Adcom I had before. That's not me putting Emotiva on a pedestal or downing those other brands... Just giving my personal experience with my particular gear. I think most Emotiva owners here tend to have a pretty realistic attitude about their gear. And by that, I mean they don't particularly need the same group of people downing them every time they discuss it here.

Seriously... We get it already. Move along. Nothing to see here.

Polkie2009 wrote: »

It would be great if someone could put together a straight up amp shootout with Emotiva and the other brands of amps we enjoy. Just to see and hear once and for all if the Emotivas can compare.

Good luck with that. What I can't figure out is the entire fiction that somehow this thread and others are filled with over zealous emotiva devotees spouting about giant killers and you don't need to spend anymore $$.

When challenged to provide proof..... nothing.

Toolfan66

Polkie2009 wrote: »

It would be great if someone could put together a straight up amp shootout with Emotiva and the other brands of amps we enjoy. Just to see and hear once and for all if the Emotivas can compare. Did anyone get blown away by the Emotiva amps at this year's CES or more recently at the Lone Star Audio Fest last weekend?

I had an XPA-2 and put it up against my other amps, and the XPA-2 was sold and out of my house within two weeks. I have also been to the RMAF here in Colorado the last three years and the Emotiva rooms did not impress me..

With that said, I have a XPA-3 in my HT rig and it works just fine for when I want to watch movies. Also I went to Alan's house and he has a XPA-2 running his rig, and It sounded very good, It just did not work for me in my rig..

cstmar01

Habanero Monk wrote: »

If Emotiva can bring out their XMC-1 w/o any major firmware issues I think that is going to be a game changer. TRINNOV room correction will be a first in a non-pro installer scenario, balanced (xlr) outputs. They mostly figured everything out with their previous HT Pre-Pros (to the chagrin of some customers no doubt).

At $1500 that is a game changer.

.

Um nope.

http://www.hometheater.com/receivers/sherwood_newcastle_r-972_av_receiver/

That was 1800 new then and now going on 3 years. So no, once again, they are not doing something that someone else hasn't already done.

Also just because it has XLR doesn't mean it's a true balanced design. With all their issues with their previous models I doubt this one would be bug free. They seem to like to use their buyer's as their beta testers.

Jhayman

In reply to Toolfan66
Exactly the synergy was wrong for your gear..not your flavour..
That is why there are so many choices to pick from..
Maybe with a different pr of speakers and pre it might have been your flavour, or not..
That is the beauty of this hobby is trying new things to try to achieve the synergy you are looking for..

Habanero Monk

cstmar01 wrote: »

Um nope.

http://www.hometheater.com/receivers/sherwood_newcastle_r-972_av_receiver/

That was 1800 new then and now going on 3 years. So no, once again, they are not doing something that someone else hasn't already done.

Also just because it has XLR doesn't mean it's a true balanced design. With all their issues with their previous models I doubt this one would be bug free. They seem to like to use their buyer's as their beta testers.

Is Sherwood out of business? I never said it was a fully differential design. I agree with on the bug testing method. I think any decent AVR has the ability to update firmware for either added function or correcting errors. You are right Sherwood is the first non-installer setup Trinnov.

While I said they were first with Trinnov (and incorrect) I believe their HT Pre if it has a smooth launch will be a game changer. What may happen is some other offerings from Onkyo/Integra/Marantz etc may come down in price and force a new price point for that type of Pre-Pro.

So that would be more succinct for me to say. That is what I would consider a game changer. If it doesn't than that simply means Emotiva has a market pretty much to themselves.

I think the Marantz 7701 comes closest but does it feature XT32 and SubEQ?

nooshinjohn

Jhayman wrote: »

In reply to Toolfan66
Exactly the synergy was wrong for your gear..not your flavour..
That is why there are so many choices to pick from..
Maybe with a different pr of speakers and pre it might have been your flavour, or not..
That is the beauty of this hobby is trying new things to try to achieve the synergy you are looking for..

We speak of synergy here all the time, and make recommendations from our personal experience. The only amps I have ever seen you recommend here is Eomtiva. Now you want us to believe you have seen the light and synergy makes all the difference?

Your level of hypocrisy and your ability to spew BS is truly amazing.

Habanero Monk

nooshinjohn wrote: »

We speak of synergy here all the time, and make recommendations from our personal experience. The only amps I have ever seen you recommend here is Eomtiva. Now you want us to believe you have seen the light and synergy makes all the difference?

Your level of hypocrisy and your ability to spew BS is truly amazing.

Find one thread you haven't put down any product of any stripe bearing an Emotiva badge or some other derogatory.

Jhayman

Blah blah blah blah blah..
I have tried other amps, I'm slowly getting into the trying more cables as well if you bothered to read any of my posts.
For the record I've never said synergy never mattered..and in replying to Toolfan66 post I felt the word best described my posting..
What's the matter John, upset I got you on the Game Changer definition..chill dude..the Jeritol should be right beside you..

nooshinjohn

Habanero Monk wrote: »

Find one thread you haven't put down any product of any stripe bearing an Emotiva badge or some other derogatory.

I don't need to. My consistent position has always been that Emo makes decent entry level gear, and I don't bash anyone's choice by telling them either directly or by implication(like emoettes do) that they wasted their money. I do recommend buying better quality used gear before Emo many times because it has been my experience that there is some really good stuff out there that offers great value for the buck when used gear is considered.

The one category of gear that gets zero respect from me is their Pre/Pro category. Collectively, they have been of poor quality at best, with exception to the Sunfire TGP-4 derived pre/pro they had several years ago I also believe their best amps were the very first ones to come to market a decade ago.... Those amps were to be branded as Carver's, but the company went out of business before they hit the shelves. Dan Laufman changed the name and Emotiva was born.

nooshinjohn

Jhayman wrote: »

Blah blah blah blah blah....

That sums up your posts quite nicely.

BlueFox

Habanero Monk wrote: »

If Emotiva can bring out their XMC-1 w/o any major firmware issues I think that is going to be a game changer. TRINNOV room correction will be a first in a non-pro installer scenario, balanced (xlr) outputs. They mostly figured everything out with their previous HT Pre-Pros (to the chagrin of some customers no doubt).

At $1500 that is a game changer.

Outlaw Audio, $549. Great HT pre/pro, and it works. Balanced outputs, and room correction, are nice, but not really necessary. Game has not changed. Bryston SP3 at 9.5k is still better.

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/975.html

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BYSP3

kuntasensei

The lesson here is:
1) Even if you put "for EMO fans" in the thread title, the usual suspects are going to come in and **** in your Cheerios. Just accept it... Your Cheerios are going to taste awful.
2) Just don't talk about Emotiva here. People at AVSForum acknowledge this forum's general hate for the brand. People at Blu-ray.com's forums acknowledge this forum's hate for the brand. People at Emotiva's forums acknowledge this forum's hate for the brand. We're just repeating the same nonsense over and over again, and even if you don't hype it up, the same people will treat you like you're hyping it up. It's like Groundhog Day... if Bill Murray was a decent-sounding budget amplifier.
3) Nothing is a game changer. Not even if it actually changes an actual game. If Parker Brothers came out today and changed the rules of Monopoly, and you said, "Oh, well that's a game changer", there would be someone standing there going, "UNH UNH, THEY CHANGED THE RULES OF SORRY FIRST, SO YOU'RE WRONG!"
4) Don't trust measurements. They don't reflect the way an amp will sound. In fact, don't even look at what might be inside that amp. If Parasound has a $10,000 metal box with a dead puppy inside that somehow makes your speakers sound good, just accept the rotting smell and enjoy how good your speakers sound. Until another brand comes up with their own dead puppy design, at which point review sites will have to figure out some sort of dead puppy measurement to determine whose dead puppies sound better... and then we can all argue the merits of each enthusiast site's authenticity vis-a-vis the dead puppy's effect on slew rate and damping factor. I bet Emotiva will get their dead puppies from CHINA. Probably in bulk. And Bob Carver will touch each of them with expensive tubes before they're assembled. True story.