OK here's my first 2 ch system partly done with pics
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Congratulations on the new system PFB, that looks like one sweet___ system bro and we now it's been a hell of a climb for you to get to this point of your audio journey, enjoy!
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Breaking stuff...seems to be a theme here. (Too soon? :cheesygrin:)
Seriously though, nice rig. Let me know what you think about the Primalunas. That is a great deal if they sound as good as they look."Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
Ah, so this is your first serious 2-ch system.
I'm sure the Yaqin can't compare to this system, but it's a shame you never heard that Yaqin with decent tubes in it.
When I had the yaqin I always felt the electrostat panels were neglected because the top end of the spectrum was lacking. I did get some gold lions for the yaqin and replaced the pre and the power tubes but it still had that boomy bass and not enough sparkle. I thought the primaluna would do this too because its el34 but I dont hear those traits but I am not using a tube pre and only tube power amplification right now. What I do hear is something I have never experienced with the timing and creepy lingering
My yaqin was a gateway drug and a dam good one but from coming here and reading my idea of a real 2 ch system had to consist of.. a good playback source, cables that make you feel like your being ripped off paying for and musical amplification -
Very nice setup man congrats! Nothing like getting new gear that exceeds your expectations. Enjoy and keep us posted.
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Your First one yea right.... Very Nice!
Speakers
Carver Amazing Fronts
CS400i Center
RT800i's Rears
Sub Paradigm Servo 15
Electronics
Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
Parasound Halo A23
Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
Pioneer 79Avi DVD
Sony CX400 CD changer
Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR -
polkfarmboy wrote: »When I had the yaqin I always felt the electrostat panels were neglected because the top end of the spectrum was lacking. I did get some gold lions for the yaqin and replaced the pre and the power tubes but it still had that boomy bass and not enough sparkle.
Yeah, those Gold Lions are average, overpriced preamp tubes. They're constructed exactly the same as a basic Electro-Harmonix tube on the same line at the New Sensor plant, with gold pins and a pretty label. They aren't bad, but definitely lack clarity and high-frequency detail. Though they were an improvement over the stock Shuguang's, much better (Russian) preamp tubes can be had for MUCH cheaper.
Same deal with the Gold Lion EL34's--plain 'ol EH EL34's built at the New Sensor plant, with a fancy label added.
Again, the Yaqin isn't going to compete with what you have now, obviously, but you weren't even close to getting the best performance out of it. Not that it matters--you can put that all behind you now that you have this beast!! Enjoy, and let us know how it goes!2.1: PC>Schiit Gungnir MB>Schiit Freya Noval>NAD C-270>Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1, HSU STF-2 5.1: HDMI Bitstream>Denon AVR-1910>polkaudio RTE55, CS350-LS, RT3, HSU STF-2, Visio M55-F0 -
What happens with an ESL panel at higher frequencies is the impedance of the panel can drop below the impedance of the amplifier and the amp further rolls off the highs, depending on the amount of mismatch.
Recently I went the other way as you and removed all the tubes from my ESL system, but do admit there was a time I enjoyed them there. Njoy your journey.
I've had gear that sounded great with newly manufactured tubes. Russian mostly as I don't think the Chinese have metallurgy down, or they were/are not consistent across manufacturers anyway.Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 * -
Sweet system. Enjoy PFB._____________________________________________________________________________________________
Ethernet Filter: GigaFOILv4 with Keces P3 LPS
Source: Roon via ethernet to DAC interface
DAC: Bricasti M1SE
Pre/Pro: Marantz AV8805
Tube Preamp Buffer: Tortuga TPB.V1
Amp1: Nord One NC1200DM Signature, Amp2: W4S MC-5, AMP3: W4S MMC-7
Front: Salk SoundScape 8's, Center: Salk SoundScape C7
Surround: Polk FXIA6, Surround Back: Polk RTIA9, Atmos: Polk 70-RT
Subs: 2 - Rythmik F25's
IC & Speaker Cables: Acoustic Zen, Wireworld, Signal Cable
Power Cables: Acoustic Zen, Wireworld, PS Audio
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The Gold Lion KT77 and KT66s are decent, but the Gold Lion KT88s sound excellent in the PLs. Shuaguang Treasures sound even better IMHO.
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Very, very nice rig! But I'm a little confused?
How does a farm boy "afford" equipment that an East Coast Prof. can't? And, I didn't think that most farm houses had baseboard heating in them. lol
Just what kind of farm boy are you? Chairman of Monsanto?
Enjoy!
cnhCurrently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!
Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
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A phrase comes to mind from our absent mod Doro...... "HT is easy, 2ch is where its at" I think I am getting a better understanding of what he meant after only a short while of having my setup
I received the wireworld gold eclipse 6 ic's on Saturday as a nice surprise instead of the Monday due date. When I opened the package and unpacked them I noticed they were nothing special to look at. They have a screw mech on them so you can tighten them up and a little red glass logo that serves no purpose and slides up and down the cable. The cable feels like its rock solid wire with little flex but who cares as they are not for looking at anyways
I have been burning in the electra power cables as well as the sratus any way I can on any devices and the tube amps have just been on playing music through the polks almost 24 h per day. The system is like Frankenstein's monster lol as it just keeps coming alive with the more juice I pump into it day by day.
Well here is the missing link ... the gold eclipse... holy sh$t are these a great ic. I know it takes time for them to burn in but it just pealed off another layer of something I never knew was there in the first place. The bass was defined and it really improved the top end by quite a large margin. There is another layer of quietness to the system that is just not there when I remove them, things just seem to hang in mid air when I use these, its almost like going from a dvd to a bluray they really are that good. I always scoffed at cables let alone making a transformation of this margin. Its still really early in the burn in stage so I still can't properly evaluate or do some A/B testing on individual components but I am so amazed by the romance this brings to cold hearted tracks and it punishes really bad music for being bad -
I did play around with the wire world cables too and these are very good and very musical and still highly detailed. I think these are a very important link in the chain and are miles better than what I have tried previously. These cables are super stiff and take alot to bend as they are like 10 awg, these have the same design of the platinum and gold eclipse that retail for stupid money. Even though pricey I think they offer good value and cant really see myself getting any added benefit for climbing higher up the ladder as you can only pass through so much signal through the mid range components I use
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Don't the sleeves have Left and Right markings on them?polkfarmboy wrote: »They have a screw mech on them so you can tighten them up and a little red glass logo that serves no purpose and slides up and down the cable."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
Nice setup man , congrads. Why Wireworld? They seem to be making a splash in the Audio world. I hear about them more and more. They even approached us to carry them. I turned them down.
Should I give them another look?Dan
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Yes."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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Yep the glass sleeve has an arrow but so does the the rca terminations so it just seems a little gimmicky, but I have to admit I never really noticed that until your post :cheesygrin:
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I would for sure have a listen to them Dan, they have a really good value to them and have interesting reviews. I chose them for the design of the cables as its diff to everything that is out there. There are many good price points but went for the reference line with the electras's pc's, speaker cables and ic's.
I don't notice a huge diff in the power cords yet as they are not burned in all they way but I do know for sure it makes my gear sound better and my tv picture has less pixel noise -
looking good!
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Sweet!
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Really nice
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Very nice system Farmboy - the Wireworld cables are a nice choice.[
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Impressive! Great new toys!"Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
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looks perfect:eek:Main Family Room: Sony 46 LCD, Sony Blue Ray, Sony DVD/VCR combo,Onkyo TXNR 708, Parasound 5250,
Polk SDS-SRS with mods, CSI 5 center + Klipsch SC2, Polk RT2000P rears, Klipsch KG 1.5's sides, Polk Micro Pro 1000, Polk Micro Pro 2000, Polk SW505, Belkin PF60, Signal Cable Classics,Monster IC's, 2 15 amp circuits & 1 20 amp circuit.
Living Room: Belkin PF60, Parasound HCA2200, MIT ProlineEXP balanced IC's,Emotiva XDA-1 DAC/Pre,Emotiva ERC2 transport,MIT AVT2, Polk LSI 9's. -
Thanks for the kind words everyone, I think what I need now is a really good usb cable. The cable I am using now is a cheapo and needs to go as its the weakest link in the chain. There have been some good reviews and comparisons done on the forum so I may go grab one thats been proven to be good like the aq forest or see if I can get something else. I am impressed with the wireworld cables I have so I might go grab a few of those to try. Wireworld has 4 cables, the ultra violet, starlight, silver starlightand platinum starlight. The prices on the wireworld usb's are horrible but they use that unique design so it may be a good move
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I am way out in ND, the tubes help to heat my apartment lol
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Yeah, those Gold Lions are average, overpriced preamp tubes. They're constructed exactly the same as a basic Electro-Harmonix tube on the same line at the New Sensor plant, with gold pins and a pretty label. They aren't bad, but definitely lack clarity and high-frequency detail. Though they were an improvement over the stock Shuguang's, much better (Russian) preamp tubes can be had for MUCH cheaper.
Same deal with the Gold Lion EL34's--plain 'ol EH EL34's built at the New Sensor plant, with a fancy label added.
Again, the Yaqin isn't going to compete with what you have now, obviously, but you weren't even close to getting the best performance out of it. Not that it matters--you can put that all behind you now that you have this beast!! Enjoy, and let us know how it goes!
Gold Lions are not re-labeled EH. They may share very similar build and structure but they don't sound anything alike. A lot of tubes from the Reflektor plant look alike. Yes, they can be average sounding on one rig, but amazing on another. Tube rolling is fine tuning and even a Mullard or Siemens can sound average on the wrong system.
How is the Gold Lion KT77 a plain old EH EL34? It's a completely different tube made to be an EL34 direct replacement. It looks NOTHING like an EH EL34. Please get the facts right instead of posting false information.
PFB,
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polkfarmboy wrote: »I am way out in ND, the tubes help to heat my apartment lol
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What do you think about those Primalunas so far?
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What do you think about those Primalunas so far?
Well so far I think they are great looking amps, great value but more importantly great sounding. After your recommendation I was hooked on owning a pair and its the best move I have made so far, I am more happy with the purchase and performance upgrade than I was with my anthem d2.
Many reviews I read about the primaluna's were worded to the effect that they are right in the sweet spot, The sweet spot meaning right at the point where value and diminishing returns kicks in. I would have to agree, the sound quality these bring for the price would mean that I would have to hand over alot more money for something else if I wanted to avoid a lateral upgrade
What I am hearing now is awesome as I just fired in some nice new usb cables and did a comparison over the weekend with the wireworld silver starlight, ulraviolet and starlight, I also had the monster usb as well as adding the audioquest forest and cinnamon in the mix and just had fun with the cables for days. I cannot say for sure what was the best, only what sounded good and what sounded great as none were bad. I settled on the breathtaking wireworld starlight as it was just as good as the silver starlight. I thought that the audioquest were very similar with the cinnamon being equal to the ulraviolet.
The Wireworld has a really analogue sound to it, its very detailed but does not introduce harshness so its a very smooth laid back cable, exactly what I wanted in a digital cable. All the cables I did get to try were previously burned so that was never a factor in my choice -
I wonder how do these monoblocks compare to the Dialog 7 series ...
