Emotiva buys Bob Carver LLC

kuntasensei
kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
edited April 2013 in Electronics
So now that Bob Carver has joined forces with Emotiva, do you think their reputation here will improve? Sounds like Carver's tech is going to make its way into future Emotiva and Sherbourn products, and Carver will be working with them on designs... and hopefully, Carver's tube amp products will benefit price-wise from Emotiva's manufacturing relationships.

(Disclaimer: I know I'm inviting the usual mockery of the brand. Just thought it was interesting and unexpected news. FLAME-SUIT ON! Heh...)
Equipment list:
Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
Emotiva XPA-3 amp
Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,117
    edited April 2013
    Sounds interesting.
    Pio Elete Pro 520
    Panamax 5400-EX
    Sunfire TGP 5
    Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
    PS Audio GCPH phono pre
    Sunfire CG 200 X 5
    Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
    OPPO BDP-83 SE
    SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
    Ctr CS1000p
    Sur - FX1000 x 4
    SUB - SVS PB2-Plus

    Workkout room:
    Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
    Onkyo TX-DS898
    GFA 555
    Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
    Ft - SDA 1C

    Not being used:
    RTi 38's -4
    RT55i's - 2
    RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
    LSI 15's
    CSi40
    PSW 404
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,421
    edited April 2013
    Sounds like bs...
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • strider
    strider Posts: 2,568
    edited April 2013
    This will be entertaining.
    Wristwatch--->Crisco
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,034
    edited April 2013
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Sounds like bs...

    It's not.

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited April 2013
    Ahhhhh!!! (Thump)

    I fainted
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  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,491
    edited April 2013
    Seems to be true, announced by Emotiva in a podcast and discussed here:

    http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=amps&action=display&thread=30007
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited April 2013
    Hold on, I have to make some popcorn!

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

    Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
    [sig. changed on a monthly basis as I rotate in and out of my stash]
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,421
    edited April 2013
    treitz3 wrote: »
    It's not.

    Tom

    What's the source?

    If Bob sold, he must have gotten a nice piece of the Emo brand along with the check. If Bob is running the R&D and has MAJOR input and control, it can only help them. I know Bob and Dan were well aquainted with each other towards the end of Carver Corporation in Lynwood, so though I am surprised by this news, I am not shocked...

    At least my amps aren't Emo's...
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited April 2013
    If true, I am going to be disappointed in the Bobfather and will immediately change my gear to Parasound. :lol:
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited April 2013
    Emotiva needs a higher end product line. They have the entry level covered, and need to offer a line of gear for those who want to step up. If they can start making better gear with better quality then consumers win, although it might hurt some other brands.
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,034
    edited April 2013
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    What's the source?

    Bob Carver.

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,451
    edited April 2013
    To tell the truth it is how Bob seems to work now. Just as Sunfire took off he sold it to Elan. It can't hurt in my eyes. He takes pride in the "Made in the USA" so I'm sure it will stay the same.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,421
    edited April 2013
    treitz3 wrote: »
    Bob Carver.

    Tom

    Yeah man... Just spoke with him. <sighs>

    He says that Carver Llc will be treated as a separate entity, with him having creative control of things. Emotiva will benefit greatly from having Bob involved with their new designs. If Bob builds it, I will at least give it an honest listen.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited April 2013
    This is too good to be true.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • bobsauto49
    bobsauto49 Posts: 973
    edited April 2013
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    I will at least give it an honest listen.

    Just curious,does this mean you didn't give them an honest listen the 1st time?:redface:
    "Everything I ever did in my life worthwhile I caught hell for"
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,254
    edited April 2013
    Face wrote: »
    This is too good to be true.


    +1

    When I read the title I could feel Johns tears landing on my head before I ever opened the thread.. LOL!!!
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,254
    edited April 2013
    I'm sure the EMO crew will be hitting our boards soon as well..

    I for one am looking forward to what they will pull off..
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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,117
    edited April 2013
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    +1

    When I read the title I could feel Johns tears landing on my head before I ever opened the thread.. LOL!!!

    Too funny!!!
    Pio Elete Pro 520
    Panamax 5400-EX
    Sunfire TGP 5
    Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
    PS Audio GCPH phono pre
    Sunfire CG 200 X 5
    Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
    OPPO BDP-83 SE
    SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
    Ctr CS1000p
    Sur - FX1000 x 4
    SUB - SVS PB2-Plus

    Workkout room:
    Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
    Onkyo TX-DS898
    GFA 555
    Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
    Ft - SDA 1C

    Not being used:
    RTi 38's -4
    RT55i's - 2
    RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
    LSI 15's
    CSi40
    PSW 404
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,421
    edited April 2013
    bobsauto49 wrote: »
    Just curious,does this mean you didn't give them an honest listen the 1st time?:redface:

    One of Emo, first offerings was a rebadged Carver Digital amp, though I cannot remember which one. It was very well built and sounded pretty good actually. Their later offerings went downhill from there, and a cdp from them and an amp I heard were harsh, sterile sounding pieces. My opinion of the brand has been shared by many previous owners of the brand, including some on this forum.

    As I said before, if Bob is on board and free to do what he does best, I will give those offerings a fair listen. Emotive scooping up Bob Carver is the smartest thing Emotiva could have ever done. That's like a mediocre to average football team trading for and getting Joe Montana in his prime IMHO. Now let's see just what the do with him.

    I am aware of one prototype that has the potential to be an absolute game changer... I will ask Bob about it next week.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • dpowell
    dpowell Posts: 3,068
    edited April 2013
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    At least my amps aren't Emo's...

    John, your amps are Premos :lol:
    ____________________________________________________________

    polkaudio Fully Modded SDA SRS 1.2TLs + Dreadnaught, LSiM706c, 4 X Polk Surrounds + 4 X ATMOS, SVS PB13 Ultra X 2, Pass Labs X1, Marantz 7704, Bob Carver Crimson Beauty 350 Tube Mono Blocks, Carver Sunfire Signature Cinema Grande 400x5, ADCOM GFA 7807, Panasonic UB420, Moon 380D DAC, EPSON Pro Cinema 6050
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,421
    edited April 2013
    Toolfan66 wrote: »
    +1

    When I read the title I could feel Johns tears landing on my head before I ever opened the thread.. LOL!!!

    A few sniffles but no tears:cry::lol:

    I will always have my monoblocks...:cool:
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • brgman
    brgman Posts: 2,859
    edited April 2013
    It really doesn't matter who owns 'em,it's all about who BUILDS 'em.
    Pepsi owns Lays.Did it effect the way they made chips?
    Either Bob designs and oversees the builds and it will be great tube product or Emo takes control and it all becomes a cheap Chinese line of tube gear to compete with Dared and Jolida et al.
    Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC

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    I’M OFFENDED!!!!
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  • halo71
    halo71 Posts: 4,603
    edited April 2013
    Oh snap, John you okay? Perhap Bob will send you some "Carvermo" badges for your amps?:cheesygrin:
    --Gary--
    Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,254
    edited April 2013
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    edited April 2013
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited April 2013
    kuntasensei wrote: »
    So now that Bob Carver has joined forces with Emotiva, do you think their reputation here will improve? Sounds like Carver's tech is going to make its way into future Emotiva and Sherbourn products, and Carver will be working with them on designs... and hopefully, Carver's tube amp products will benefit price-wise from Emotiva's manufacturing relationships.

    (Disclaimer: I know I'm inviting the usual mockery of the brand. Just thought it was interesting and unexpected news. FLAME-SUIT ON! Heh...)

    Depends on how the products perform. I never really cared for any of Carver's offerings. It's the end product and the quality that really matters, not so much the name. I admit I would have a hard time buying a Hyundai or Kia automobile even though they are leaps and bounds better than they were 10-15 years ago. Still behind the competition but they cost less so that's to be expected.

    Always associated Emotiva as the Hyundai and Kia of the audio world.

    My guess (and it's just a hunch) is this will bring down the Carver lineage, not build up the Emotiva lineage. Time will tell.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited April 2013
    Hey, if you combine Emo's bright sound and poor soundstage with Carver's lack of detail and huge soundstage, they'll both have a decent product. :cheesygrin:
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited April 2013
    I bet Mister Tube Soul has never heard a pair of Carver Silver 7s. (in the interest of full disclosure.....neither have I :sad:) :lol:
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited April 2013
    Face wrote: »
    Hey, if you combine Emo's bright sound and poor soundstage with Carver's lack of detail and huge soundstage, they'll both have a decent product. :cheesygrin:

    :razz::lol::cheesygrin:
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,034
    edited April 2013
    Lasareath wrote: »
    Cool News!

    Maybe I'll finally get a TFM-95X!!!!

    I wouldn't hold your breath, Sal. Be nice, Face..... *smiles*

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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