Picked up some SDA 1A's

skspider
skspider Posts: 14
edited March 2013 in Vintage Speakers
just got these SDA 1A's off CL. price was right. Cabinets are in bad shape not sure if i can salvage them yet. the veneer is to damaged to repair. the passive radiators and IC are mia. the good part is all drivers work. one tweeter has a small tear in the dome and not one mark on any of the other drivers. I find that a little odd considering how bad a shape the cabinets are in. So, after a kwik hook up and a jerry riged IC cable. they dont sound bad and the sda affect even works. i think with a little love these speakers will continue to live on. Any one have some extra passive radiators?
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited March 2013
    Looks like you've got a big project on your hands.
    Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited March 2013
    I think a more direct route would be to part those out and apply the proceeds to a pair that aren't quite so far gone. Doro's got a stash of PRs,BTW. :wink:
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  • skspider
    skspider Posts: 14
    edited March 2013
    Now where would be the fun in that gdb. its just some cabinetry work and a pair of passives.
    "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups":rolleyes:
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited March 2013
    The passives are no longer made and harder than hell to find!

    H9
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited March 2013
    If I remember correctly, someone was selling some 12" passives in the FM a few days back, but I don't remember for what speakers. FYI, not all the same speakers use the same 12" passives.
    Relayer-Big-O-Poster.jpg
    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

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  • Schurkey
    Schurkey Posts: 2,101
    edited March 2013
    headrott wrote: »
    If I remember correctly, someone was selling some 12" passives in the FM a few days back, but I don't remember for what speakers. FYI, not all the same speakers use the same 12" passives.
    Aside from the mass-loading and perhaps the mounting-screw pattern, what would be the differences?
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited March 2013
    Schurkey wrote: »
    Aside from the mass-loading and perhaps the mounting-screw pattern, what would be the differences?

    You are of course correct, but I am just stating this to let the OP know that not all the same 12" PR's were used in all SDA's (for his reference). I don't think you could hear a difference, but have never listened to see if you can myself.
    Relayer-Big-O-Poster.jpg
    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

    "Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson

    "Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited March 2013
    The PR part number is SW120. It was used in 4 other SDA models, but they are still hard to come by.

    Not trying to rain on your parade, but those are one of the lest desirable SDA models and yours are in really bad condition. IMO, you'd be better off cutting your losses, part them out and look for a better pair.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited March 2013
    Schurkey wrote: »
    Aside from the mass-loading and perhaps the mounting-screw pattern, what would be the differences?

    The screw patterns on the 12's are all the same, but the tuning is different and that matters.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited March 2013
    Thanks Jesse for clearing that up. How big of a tuning difference is there between the flat faced 12" PR's?
    Relayer-Big-O-Poster.jpg
    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

    "Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson

    "Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited March 2013
    Big enough that Polk felt the need to make different ones. :mrgreen:
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • skspider
    skspider Posts: 14
    edited March 2013
    thanks for all the input. call me crazy but i have no looses with these i paid $35 for them. these being "least desirable", i do not put much weight in that, i'm guessing that is because people are not useing the proper equipment to drive them. I have heard this model before and like them. so at this point all these need are pr's and alittle cabinetry work.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited March 2013
    If the cabinets are rough when you peel the vinyl, you can do some spot repairs with bondo, I did that with my 4.1TL's.
    Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited March 2013
    My 1As have real , honest to God, walnut veneer on them ! :eek: :cheesygrin:
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  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    edited March 2013
    gdb wrote: »
    My 1As have real , honest to God, walnut veneer on them ! :eek: :cheesygrin:
    What's left of it. You could always re-veneer them, and keep an eye on eBay for the PRs, they do pop up every now and then.
    Home Theater/2 Channel:
    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
    Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer

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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited March 2013
    westmassguy wrote: »
    What's left of it. You could always re-veneer them, and keep an eye on eBay for the PRs, they do pop up every now and then.

    Whatchu talkin' ;bout, Willis ? Mine are near perfect. :smile: (one minor ring stain)
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  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    edited March 2013
    heck for the 35 $ for now it might not match but you can sometimes find jbl passives that might get you by. For the money you paid, why not just through in whatever you can find and that will fit for now.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited March 2013
    these being "least desirable", i do not put much weight in that, i'm guessing that is because people are not useing the proper equipment to drive them.

    Nope, that's not it. It's the design with the SDA tweeter, which creates a phasey effect. A lot of folks disconnect it. In addition, the SL1000 is arguably the worst of the SDA tweeters.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    edited March 2013
    gdb wrote: »
    Whatchu talkin' ;bout, Willis ? Mine are near perfect. :smile: (one minor ring stain)
    LOL, that's one hell of a ring then
    Home Theater/2 Channel:
    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
    Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer

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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited March 2013
    westmassguy wrote: »
    LOL, that's one hell of a ring then


    Uhhhh, I think you've got me mixed up with the OP, chief. If the ones pictured were mine......I'd screw em to my window sills, fill em w/dirt and plant flowers in the holes. :wink: And....in a former life, I've "hand hammered" several acres worth of veneers and hot pot, rabbit hide glue ! :eek:
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  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    edited March 2013
    gdb wrote: »
    Uhhhh, I think you've got me mixed up with the OP, chief. If the ones pictured were mine......I'd screw em to my window sills, fill em w/dirt and plant flowers in the holes. :wink:
    You're right, senior moment, sorry.
    Home Theater/2 Channel:
    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
    Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer

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  • skspider
    skspider Posts: 14
    edited March 2013
    F1nut wrote: »
    Nope, that's not it. It's the design with the SDA tweeter, which creates a phasey effect. A lot of folks disconnect it. In addition, the SL1000 is arguably the worst of the SDA tweeters.

    I guess my ears r not so go then. I have hf1000(peerless) sl1000, sl2000 and sl2500. IMO sl2500 is low man on the poll.
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  • skspider
    skspider Posts: 14
    edited March 2013
    erniejade wrote: »
    heck for the 35 $ for now it might not match but you can sometimes find jbl passives that might get you by. For the money you paid, why not just through in whatever you can find and that will fit for now.
    Not in any rush. Have other speakers to listen to. Thanks.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited March 2013
    The SL2500 wasn't an SDA tweeter, so if they are in a pair of SDA's, they wouldn't sound right.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • skspider
    skspider Posts: 14
    edited March 2013
    F1nut wrote: »
    The SL2500 wasn't an SDA tweeter, so if they are in a pair of SDA's, they wouldn't sound right.
    The hf1000 (peerless) wasn't an SDA tweeter either.
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  • skspider
    skspider Posts: 14
    edited March 2013
    Smallies wrote: »
    sorry just threw out 4. 2 with foam mat 2 without.Had to move and drivers took priority.
    That hurts.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited March 2013
    skspider wrote: »
    The hf1000 (peerless) wasn't an SDA tweeter either.

    You're right, so why are you mentioning tweeters that aren't?
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    edited March 2013
    skspider, just spotted these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/321096820872?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

    Ask the seller if there are any numbers printed or scribbled on the back. Your 1As need an SW120
    The SW120 was used in the SDA-1, 1A, 1B, 1C, and SDA-2
    Home Theater/2 Channel:
    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
    Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer

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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited March 2013
    I'd sit back a while and bid on those, rather than hitting the buy it now. I think you'd get them for less than $49.
    Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    edited March 2013
    nspindel wrote: »
    I'd sit back a while and bid on those, rather than hitting the buy it now. I think you'd get them for less than $49.
    I disaggree. Once he hears back from the seller, and determines that they're compatible with his 1As, I would buy them. The 8" & 10" PRs show up all the time. It's very rare to see a pair of 12" flat face PRs in what appears to be excellent condition, I check eBay several times a day for any vintage Polk parts I need for myself or my customers. $64.00 is a small price to pay for something that's no longer made. You can buy generic 12" PRs, but there's no way to tell how the older PRs were weighted and tuned.
    Home Theater/2 Channel:
    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
    Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer

    dhsspeakerservice.com/
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