New Spkr Cables like putting a sheet over my Speakers!

bobsauto49
bobsauto49 Posts: 973
edited January 2013 in 2 Channel Audio
So,I've spent alot of time with my new rig lately,and have all the cables in place! Meaning the lenghts,different IC's,PC's Ect.
Now,I have settled on Analysis Plus Copper Oval Balanced XLR's IC's from my Dac to the pre,and from the pre to my amp.Analysis Plus Black Oval 9 speaker cables,3 Venom PC's,1 for my amp,and 1 for each ML speaker. 2 Pangea AC14se's for my pre,and cd player. Things were VERY good! I was very happy with all my efforts! The ML's were still breaking in with about only 50 hrs on them,and I was already in heaven! ML says noticable improvements in sound come after 100hrs of listening,especially the depth of bass!
Yesterday,I drove to my favorite hifi shop to trade my Analysis Plus Black Oval 9 10ft long cable for a 8ft cable! He had to order this cable,so it was brand new!
Well today I listened to the brand new 8ft Black Oval 9,and the system sounds like it has a cold! The overall weight is thin!!!! Very thin! The music seems 1 dimesional,and I find myself feeling sick! It is very possible the 10ft cables I had were NOT brand new! This place I do business with lets people try different cables before they buy! So they may have had quite a few hrs on them before I got em!
I have ck'd,and reck'd all my connections,and everything is up to snuff! Do these Brand new 8ft cables I just got,need beaking in? And if so,will they improve dramatically?
I dont know what else to think fella's,I'm gonna wait a few weeks,and see if they get better! If not,I'm gonna have to call and get those 10footer's back here! I'm a little bummed right about now!:sad:
"Everything I ever did in my life worthwhile I caught hell for"
Post edited by bobsauto49 on
· Share on FacebookShare on Twitter

Comments

  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited January 2013
    You are only just at the top of the rabbit hole! :cheesygrin:

    Keep at it and find what works in your system - everything matters.

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited January 2013
    Give them some time before forming an opinion. One of the drawbacks to having a tuned system with good cables is any change is immediately apparent.
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2013
    Agree with giving them some burn in but I would call the store and tell them to hold them for you as you may be back for them. The length may be the difference or maybe the manufactor changed ttheir process or material,for the worse.

    I would want to know I could get them back, matter of fact I would go get them and a/b after new are burned in.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • bobsauto49
    bobsauto49 Posts: 973
    edited January 2013
    thsmith wrote: »
    I would want to know I could get them back, matter of fact I would go get them and a/b after new are burned in.

    I like this idea! I think i'll call them tomoro morn and ask him to hold those 10footer's for me! I just hope it sounds like it did yesterday! One way,or the other!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    "Everything I ever did in my life worthwhile I caught hell for"
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2013
    Give the new one's at least 100hrs before making any rash decisions. Ask the store owners about the other pair...I'll bet they were well over the 100hr mark before you got them. By chance were there any adult beverages under way during the listening session?? :lol: Everthing effects our hearing.
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • nguyendot
    nguyendot Posts: 3,594
    edited January 2013
    You know overusing exclamation points kind of defeats their purpose.
    Main Surround -
    Epson 8350 Projector/ Elite Screens 120" / Pioneer Elite SC-35 / Sunfire Signature / Focal Chorus 716s / Focal Chorus CC / Polk MC80 / Polk PSW150 sub

    Bedroom - Sharp Aquos 70" 650 / Pioneer SC-1222k / Polk RT-55 / Polk CS-250

    Den - Rotel RSP-1068 / Threshold CAS-2 / Boston VR-M60 / BDP-05FD
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • bobsauto49
    bobsauto49 Posts: 973
    edited January 2013
    nguyendot wrote: »
    You know overusing exclamation points kind of defeats their purpose.
    Thanx!For!Pointing!That!Out!

    WTF,is this a GD Seinfeld episode?
    "Everything I ever did in my life worthwhile I caught hell for"
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Dawgfish
    Dawgfish Posts: 2,554
    edited January 2013
    I would give them more break-in time as the others have suggested. I own 2 pairs of 8' Oval 9s and they are anything but veiled. They are hands down my favorite speaker cable.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Malbec
    Malbec Posts: 553
    edited January 2013
    Contact Analysis and ask what they recommend for burn in.

    Some manufacturers send directions with their cables.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,194
    edited January 2013
    I have a pair of Theater 2's and they sound great. I really dig them the first time I ran my system with them. Analysis Plus makes excellent speaker cables and I'm not exactly sure why your system sounds as it does.
    You could have a defective pair as well. The dielectric may have been over cooked at the factory or something. It doesn't happen hardly ever with top brand cables but something might have happened to your pair.
    I'd ask for another pair if they still sound like **** after a week.

    Side note , brand new out of the box cables , which I have miles of experience with really never sound bad , they do warm up after time , Audioquest figured this out long ago.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • bobsauto49
    bobsauto49 Posts: 973
    edited January 2013
    It sucks,and i'm calling to get the old cables tomorrow! Too bright,in your face,directly at you. Not around you,like before i changed the cables!
    I'm pissed off! My wife can even hear the difference! GDMF! I'm not happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    "Everything I ever did in my life worthwhile I caught hell for"
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited January 2013
    "You know overusing exclamation points kind of defeats their purpose."


    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    No **** ????? :lol:
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,561
    edited January 2013
    You've had them for what, 2 days. Geesh man, let them burn in.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • bobsauto49
    bobsauto49 Posts: 973
    edited January 2013
    I would normally agree.However,I called my salesmen,and he swears the 10ft cable I had before was brand new,never used. No if's,and's,or but's about it! The 8ft cable I have now,has 30hrs on it,and sounds like ****! Last night I switched the old tubes,thinking I may have had a bad 1,didn't change a thing.
    "Everything I ever did in my life worthwhile I caught hell for"
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,965
    edited January 2013
    Waiting for break in is one thing, sounding like **** is another. You may have gotten a defective set. If it was me, I'd send them back pronto and move on.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • bobsauto49
    bobsauto49 Posts: 973
    edited January 2013
    tonyb wrote: »
    Waiting for break in is one thing, sounding like **** is another. You may have gotten a defective set. If it was me, I'd send them back pronto and move on.
    My thoughts exactly Tony. I paid almost 10 large for this setup,and before this cable swap,I was VERY happy! Now,my wife comes and listen's,and she says it sounds like ****,confirming what I thought for the last 3 days. I'm madder than a midget with a yoyo,especially since sound world is 65 miles away! If the cable swap fixes the problem though,I'll be happy.
    "Everything I ever did in my life worthwhile I caught hell for"
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • ZLTFUL
    ZLTFUL Posts: 5,648
    edited January 2013
    Hey Bob, I would be willing to send you a set of Audioquest 14/2 flex series cables I whipped up. Not to have or to replace anything but simply to test. If my "cheap" cable sounds better than your new cable, them most definitely a defective set. Rare indeed but not unheard of.
    I am down in Des Moines.
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • bobsauto49
    bobsauto49 Posts: 973
    edited January 2013
    Thats an awesome Gesture ZLT! I'm gonna talk to Sound World today,and see if he'll ship me a set. If not,I might take u up on that offer.
    "Everything I ever did in my life worthwhile I caught hell for"
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • ZLTFUL
    ZLTFUL Posts: 5,648
    edited January 2013
    Just let me know. Like I said, nothing fancy. Just 10ft lengths of Audioquest Flex series 14/2 with some techflex over it and a couple of bananas at each end. But hopefully it will help you troubleshoot.
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • bobsauto49
    bobsauto49 Posts: 973
    edited January 2013
    Well,Got my old speaker cables today. And my system is back! Unfricken real. Brand new cables I let burn in for about 75 hrs,and they MUST be defective! The new(old)10ft cables sound fantastic,and the new 8ft cables sound horrible. Both are Analysis Plus Black Oval 9. I'm a little pissed that a new set of cables are junk,but a little relieved that this was the problem. Now I can start liustening to the tunes again. Before I got the 10ft cables today,I couldn't even listen to the old cables,they were that bad! I'm a happy camper again!!!!:cheesygrin:
    "Everything I ever did in my life worthwhile I caught hell for"
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2013
    Congrats ! Synergy is a fickle ....
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,561
    edited January 2013
    Brand new cables I let burn in for about 75 hrs,and they MUST be defective!

    They might be and they might not, but you'll never know because you didn't burn them in for 200 hours.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter