Why the resistor change from 2.5 Ohm -> 2.0 Ohm in the Model 10 Crossover Schematic?

StantonZ
StantonZ Posts: 444
edited January 2013 in Vintage Speakers
I'm thinking about rebuilding the crossovers and replacing the tweeters in my 10B's again (although still uncertain whether to go with RD0-194 or -198), and noticed this resistor value change from the 1984 schematic to the 1989 schematic. Why/which value should be used, and is it tweeter type dependent?
Yamaha RX-A2050 AVR (5.0.2); LG OLED77C2 4K TV
(4) Polk Monitor 10B's w/SoniCaps, Mills, and RDO-194 tweets (R/L F/R)
(2) Polk RC80i (Top Middle)
Polk CS300 center channel
Analog: B&O TX2 Turntable, Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1
Digital: Pioneer CLD-99 Elite LD, Panasonic DMP-UB900 UHD Blu-Ray
Bedroom: Arylic Up2Stream AMPv3 driving Polk Monitor 4's w/peerless tweets
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  • TennMan
    TennMan Posts: 1,266
    edited January 2013
    Use the resistor value in the schematic for your 10B. The earlier model used a different tweeter and that is probably the reason it had a different resistor. You have the sl2000 tweeter in your 10B. The RDO-194 sounds much better.
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  • StantonZ
    StantonZ Posts: 444
    edited January 2013
    So WHICH schematic? One has a resistor value of 2 Ohms, the other 2.5 Ohms. Which one goes with the 194's?
    Yamaha RX-A2050 AVR (5.0.2); LG OLED77C2 4K TV
    (4) Polk Monitor 10B's w/SoniCaps, Mills, and RDO-194 tweets (R/L F/R)
    (2) Polk RC80i (Top Middle)
    Polk CS300 center channel
    Analog: B&O TX2 Turntable, Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1
    Digital: Pioneer CLD-99 Elite LD, Panasonic DMP-UB900 UHD Blu-Ray
    Bedroom: Arylic Up2Stream AMPv3 driving Polk Monitor 4's w/peerless tweets
  • TennMan
    TennMan Posts: 1,266
    edited January 2013
    Same answer to the same question.
    TennMan wrote: »
    Use the resistor value in the schematic for your 10B. The earlier model used a different tweeter and that is probably the reason it had a different resistor. You have the sl2000 tweeter in your 10B. The RDO-194 sounds much better.
    • SDA 2BTL · Sonicaps · Mills resistors · RDO-198s · New gaskets · H-nuts · Erse inductors · BH5 · Dynamat
    • Crossover upgrades by westmassguy
    • Marantz 1504 AVR (front speaker pre-outs to Adcom 555)
    • Adcom GFA-555 amp · Upgrades & speaker protection added by OldmanSRS
    • Pioneer DV-610AV DVD/CD player
    • SDA CRS+ · Hidden away in the closet
  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    edited January 2013
    StantonZ wrote: »
    I'm thinking about rebuilding the crossovers and replacing the tweeters in my 10B's again (although still uncertain whether to go with RD0-194 or -198), and noticed this resistor value change from the 1984 schematic to the 1989 schematic. Why/which value should be used, and is it tweeter type dependent?
    The 1984 "original" schematic shows a fuse in series with the tweeter, while the later 1989 schematic shows the Polyswitch. Since everything else is equal, the difference in resistance between the 1 amp fuse and the Polyswitch is most likely the reason for the lower value. If your planning on using the RDO-198s, instead of the drop-in RDO-194s, be aware that the resistor value is different, and the hi-pass shunt inductor must also be changed. Refer to the M10 SL3000 Mod schematic.
    I just rebuilt a pair of 10s for a customer and put the 198s in, along with all the other changes. The difference was stunning to say the least.
    Home Theater/2 Channel:
    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
    Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer

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  • StantonZ
    StantonZ Posts: 444
    edited January 2013
    The 1984 "original" schematic shows a fuse in series with the tweeter, while the later 1989 schematic shows the Polyswitch. Since everything else is equal, the difference in resistance between the 1 amp fuse and the Polyswitch is most likely the reason for the lower value.

    Now THAT makes sense. So if/when I rebuild the crossovers and decide to eliminate the Polyswitch (I have 2 w/fuses and 2 w/Polyswitches), I'll need to adjust that resistor accordingly; if I were to examine the crossovers I bet I have 2 each with different resistor values. I think I'm going with the "drop-in" 194's, but thanks for the schematic reference if I don't.
    Yamaha RX-A2050 AVR (5.0.2); LG OLED77C2 4K TV
    (4) Polk Monitor 10B's w/SoniCaps, Mills, and RDO-194 tweets (R/L F/R)
    (2) Polk RC80i (Top Middle)
    Polk CS300 center channel
    Analog: B&O TX2 Turntable, Nakamichi Cassette Deck 1
    Digital: Pioneer CLD-99 Elite LD, Panasonic DMP-UB900 UHD Blu-Ray
    Bedroom: Arylic Up2Stream AMPv3 driving Polk Monitor 4's w/peerless tweets
  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    edited January 2013
    StantonZ wrote: »
    Now THAT makes sense. So if/when I rebuild the crossovers and decide to eliminate the Polyswitch (I have 2 w/fuses and 2 w/Polyswitches), I'll need to adjust that resistor accordingly; if I were to examine the crossovers I bet I have 2 each with different resistor values. I think I'm going with the "drop-in" 194's, but thanks for the schematic reference if I don't.
    The polyswitches suck, and fuses can add additional complexity, and problems due to corrosion of the fuse holders, different fuse manufactures etc. As long as you're using quality amplification, I'd eliminate the fuses and polyswitches altogether, and go with one 2.5 ohm so they all match.
    Home Theater/2 Channel:
    Front: SDA-2ATL forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/143984/my-2as-finally-finished-almost/p1
    Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
    Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
    Sonicaps, Mills, RDO-194s-198s, Dynamat, Hurricane Nuts, Blackhole5
    Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV, Carver PM-600, SVS PB2-Plus Subwoofer

    dhsspeakerservice.com/