Kenwood KC-105 and KM-105 Amp and Pre-Amp

xjghost

Ok I found this set on ebay for $129.00 + shipping. Woudl these be a good set to use tem till I can find something more to my liking? Are these decent for that money? I just want something more powerful then the Denon 5.1 I bought last year that is a major dissapointment in teh music listening to department.

George Grand

Those two pieces are toys. I wouldn't be surprised to find an "8 OHMS MINIMUM" stamped near the speaker spring clips on that amp.

michael1947

Oh, not so fast Grasshopper. I just checked one of my several old Kennys and it says 8-16 ohms under the spring clips, and pretty much everything back then had spring clips.
1. They are separates.
2. They have excellent specs.
3. They are readily available which speaks to their Japanese build quality and longevity.
4. They can be had for about 1/2 the price of decent speaker cables today.
5. I still own at least 4 and use them as fill ins and dust magnets.

For me, I still have a fondness for my old Kenwood stuff as it was my first upgrade to separates 25 years ago and they're still going strong. I only have 1 of the 105 series most of mine are 205,208's which run 150 wpc and a M1.

For the bucks I say give the old Kennys a hard look and think of 150wpc models.:loneranger:

mhardy6647

George is right about these. I wouldn't call them junk but they are not serious hifi hardware.
A pair passed through my abode some years back; search at AK and you'll find a few tidbits.

cnh

Kenwoods? You really want some old silver face integrateds (preferably the Dual Power models). Also fairly available. Not too expensive and nice neutral to slightly warm sounding with good "power"!

Although, if you just want some "power" for a pair of speakers and you need it "now", I suppose these Kenwoods are not horrible. I have an old ('89) Kenwood surround receiver. It weighs about 35 lbs. Can put out a legitimate 130 watts x 2 at 8 ohms, can power 4 ohm loads but only when it is "switched" (on back). It's crazy loud on 8 ohm speakers. But I wouldn't brag about its sound quality, a bit too bright and way too forward, but powerful.

cnh

xjghost

Thanks guys. I got bussy at work and forgot to check here and by the time I did they have sold. They sold for 129.00... IDK just looking right now. I have a Haffler 500 in the shop waiting on the verdict. It was given to me a while back and there is only one shop that I can find in teh state of South Carolina, where I live, that will even look at this old stuff. Thanks I'm still looking. Found out a local pawn shop has a Adcom GFA-555II on the shelf. Going to call him back and see what kinda "deal" he is willing to make on it.

cnh

That Hafler should have a "warmer" signature than the Adcom. But the Adcom is a very neutral sounding and very "reliable", powerful amp that can run most systems without breaking a sweat. Both are good power amps, certainly better than the Kenwood you posted above!

Good Luck!

cnh

mhardy6647

The Hafler is a good amplifier.

For some more opinions (mostly positive) on the Kenwood amp(s), the OP might want to look at this thread at AK:
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=284089

michael1947

Yup, now everyone's on the right path. If you want loud, fairly reliable and mostly cheap the Kennys are a good choice. With the Hafler and Adcom you've moved smack into the middle of hi-fi?

tonyb

George Grand wrote: »

Those two pieces are toys. I wouldn't be surprised to find an "8 OHMS MINIMUM" stamped near the speaker spring clips on that amp.

Sums it up nicely.

Adcom would be a better choice given your circumstances. If you plan on using an amp with the Denon, make sure it has preouts to even be able to do so.

xjghost

I plan on picking up a preamp. The shop working on the Hafler actually has a Hafler pre amp for $140. They have an adcom for $199, which I think is a little high, but depending on what is up with the hafler I plan to have it fixed. It powers on but there is no response on the RCA's. They side there might be in internal fuse or the RCA's might be loose. I hope its something that simple. I talked to the shop about the Adcom and he will sell it for $200. So I'll make my decision next week. Hell I might go get the adcom anyway even if they fix the Hafler. Two middle of the road amps cannot be all bad?

mhardy6647

I like the Hafler preamps (FWIW)...

George Grand

michael1947 wrote: »

Oh, not so fast Grasshopper. I just checked one of my several old Kennys and it says 8-16 ohms under the spring clips, and pretty much everything back then had spring clips.

Not so fast? Check your math genius. 8-16 ohms KIND OF INDICATES no less than 8 ohms. You don't want to be sounding like an idiot Grasshopper.

tonyb

Just my opinion, but when talking seperate amps, if it isn't rated for 4 ohm use then it isn't worth more than a door stop and a waste of coin.

mhardy6647

George Grand wrote: »

Not so fast? Check your math genius. 8-16 ohms KIND OF INDICATES no less than 8 ohms...

Ten-four; a direct coupled soiled state amp will be loafin' into a 16 ohm load. In to 4 ohms, not so much.

tonyb wrote: »

Just my opinion, but when talking separate amps, if it isn't rated for 4 ohm use then it isn't worth more than a door stop and a waste of coin.

Only if one's loudspeaker load requires that kind of current capability.

Unqualified blanket statements/generalities/opinions are, I'd opine, as inadvisable in hifi as in most other facets of debate.

xjghost

I'm not technical at all. Looking into something that will power my Monitor 10's that I bought new in '88 or so. These things survived 4.5 years of college, twinn boys that are now 14 and multiple moves. I think I wnat to find some maller ones for my rear channels.... lol!

michael1947

Now George is this any way to act on a forum where we all seek information from each other. Calling me names and the general disparagement of your remarks all for a difference of opinions? My, my, you seem to be bitter about something and it's probably not the Kenwoods or the little spring clips.

You seem to be a heavy hitter on this forum and I'm confident you have earned the respect of your peers here but maybe you need to re-visit the purpose of this forum which from my point of view is to help others and not-so-much to ridicule those of contrasting views. You have taken this thread from fun and informative and turned it into a personal vehicle with which to boast your self imposed prowess as king of the audio world. I was planning to stop here and close with some appropriate suggestions as what you could do with your opinions but I didn't want to go down to your level so I'll just comment on my remarks.

Your first response to the poster was very short calling his choice of an upgrade "toys." With the second statement where you refer to the ohm load and spring clips to me seemed like sarcasm to reinforce your disdain displayed in your first statement. While those two little sentences from you quite nicely summed up your feelings for the Kenwoods I didn't think it was very helpful to the one asking for help.
It may have been useful to the new guy if you had explained the function of ohms in our audio world or the differences between 5-way and spring clips. To me the poster was a young person with only about 10 posts at the time wanting information about his potential purchase. I doubt that he has much knowledge of ohm loads nor the history of spring clips. I thought I would respond with some factual information thus I posted the exact information from under the spring clips(and although I am not at the genius level my math skills are quite good) and then I went on to defend the spring clips a little indicating that most consumer grade hi-fi equipment of that era had spring clips. My intention here was to tame down your rather brusk comments with something I thought was useful to the new guy.

Well George I may be an idiot so I won't say any more except maybe this quote: Man becomes great exactly in the degree in which he works for the welfare of his fellow-men.
Mahatma Gandhi:idea:

tonyb

mhardy6647 wrote: »

Only if one's loudspeaker load requires that kind of current capability.

Unqualified blanket statements/generalities/opinions are, I'd opine, as inadvisable in hifi as in most other facets of debate.

My good man, take it in context to what the OP is doing. Moving from an AVR...which handles 8 ohm loads, to a seperate amp which may only handle 8 ohm loads, is what most would consider a lateral move. Nothing, unqualified or general about it.

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