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  • 98Badger
    98Badger Posts: 317
    edited January 2013
    falconcry72 wrote: »
    In a different league in what way? Media management or sound quality?
    IMO the sound quality of JRiver is leaps and bounds better than Mediamonkey. I used mm for quite a while. In addition, you have so many more options for organizing and customization. Consider it does bit perfect ripping, file conversion and has the option of room correction. You do get quite a bit of value for $50.
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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited January 2013
    98Badger wrote: »
    IMO the sound quality of JRiver is leaps and bounds better than Mediamonkey...

    My question was a bit rhetorical about sound quality because if you're using a bit-perfect playback method, i.e, WASAPI or ASIO, how could the sound quality be any different at all? Not talking about features here, just SQ.
    2-Channel: PC > Schiit Eitr > Audio Research DAC-8 > Audio Research LS-26 > Pass Labs X-250.5 > Magnepan 3.7's

    Living Room: PC > Marantz AV-7703 > Emotiva XPA-5 > Sonus Faber Liuto Towers, Sonus Faber Liuto Center, Sonus Faber Liuto Bookshelves > Dual SVS PC12-Pluses

    Office: Phone/Tablet > AudioEngine B1 > McIntosh D100 > Bryston 4B-ST > Polk Audio LSiM-703's
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited January 2013
    falconcry72 wrote: »
    My question was a bit rhetorical about sound quality because if you're using a bit-perfect playback method, i.e, WASAPI or ASIO, how could the sound quality be any different at all? Not talking about features here, just SQ.
    The driver is just an interface, there are still other things going on in the software that can affect sound.

    I can't comment on the two programs here, but on the Mac platform I have Amarra, BitPerfect, and Audirvana Plus all that send bit perfect data into my DAC and all sound very different.

    I think the phrase bit perfect is thrown around too loosely, I don't know that there is such a thing and if there is I don't know how we can know for sure that it exists.

    How's that for some Friday morning existentialism for ya...
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2013
    falconcry72 wrote: »
    So Face, have you found the DSP's or EQ's in JRiver to hurt SQ (aside from bad settings lol).

    Configured correctly, only an increase.
    AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »
    I think the phrase bit perfect is thrown around too loosely, I don't know that there is such a thing and if there is I don't know how we can know for sure that it exists.

    AFAIK, bit perfect=asynchronous.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited January 2013
    AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »
    The driver is just an interface, there are still other things going on in the software that can affect sound.

    I can't comment on the two programs here, but on the Mac platform I have Amarra, BitPerfect, and Audirvana Plus all that send bit perfect data into my DAC and all sound very different.

    I think the phrase bit perfect is thrown around too loosely, I don't know that there is such a thing and if there is I don't know how we can know for sure that it exists.

    How's that for some Friday morning existentialism for ya...

    hmm. shows what I know!
    2-Channel: PC > Schiit Eitr > Audio Research DAC-8 > Audio Research LS-26 > Pass Labs X-250.5 > Magnepan 3.7's

    Living Room: PC > Marantz AV-7703 > Emotiva XPA-5 > Sonus Faber Liuto Towers, Sonus Faber Liuto Center, Sonus Faber Liuto Bookshelves > Dual SVS PC12-Pluses

    Office: Phone/Tablet > AudioEngine B1 > McIntosh D100 > Bryston 4B-ST > Polk Audio LSiM-703's
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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited January 2013
    Face wrote: »
    Configured correctly, only an increase.

    Ok Mr. Face, I got another one for you:

    I am currently using a 1.0 ohm resistor in the tweeter attenuator portion of the crossover on my 3.7's. Do you think that digital EQ'ing at the PC would be even less obtrusive to SQ; meaning, would I be better off putting a good jumper in the tweeter attenutor spot and addressing frequency response issues up front on the PC???

    TLDR: what degrades SQ more: a physical resistor in the crossover or digital EQ'ing at the PC level?
    2-Channel: PC > Schiit Eitr > Audio Research DAC-8 > Audio Research LS-26 > Pass Labs X-250.5 > Magnepan 3.7's

    Living Room: PC > Marantz AV-7703 > Emotiva XPA-5 > Sonus Faber Liuto Towers, Sonus Faber Liuto Center, Sonus Faber Liuto Bookshelves > Dual SVS PC12-Pluses

    Office: Phone/Tablet > AudioEngine B1 > McIntosh D100 > Bryston 4B-ST > Polk Audio LSiM-703's
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,496
    edited January 2013
    The DIY crowd have been reclocking I2S before handing it off the DAC to reduce jitter. They test for bit perfect but reducing jitter is the goal.

    Mike, can you swap DSD channels in JRiver like you can in foobar? DSD swaps R and L channel from I2S. If you can do it in software, it saves a digital switching solution to correct the swap.
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  • seabeerob213
    seabeerob213 Posts: 1,843
    edited January 2013
    you guys got me so lost, lol i like the v-link 192 and am curious to know why FLAC is better than WMA if they are both lossless, an external DAC will come when i get my PC and my HK 3490 together, and i see a lot of people upgrade their units to a detachable, how simple is it to do that to my AVR, and for the present i will use a free service, and i see you guys are in a bit of disagreement to the best one is, but i think the suggested to me as being easiest to use will be a good way to familiarize myself with some of this stuff, thanks you guys, i will check out the shops in seatle suggested to me by zingo, to see if they have the v-link, and if they dont order one in march when my vacation is over
    2 Channel(work in progress):DAC: Schiit modi 2 uberAmp:Parasound 1200 MK IISub:RBH 1010-SEP Speakers: Monitor 5A peerlesscurrently running some krk rokit 3g since the HK pre outs died and i need to start breaking everything down to move in a couple monthsHeadphones:Source: tidalDAC: schiit modius epre: schiit sysAmp: AQ dragonfly black/ schiit magni2 Cans: Velodyne V-True, Grado SR225i, sennheiser x drop gaming headsetPC:DAC: schiit modius e(over spdif)pre: schiit sysspeakers: prenous eris 5 xtSub: Earthquake Sound MiniMe-P63most of my comments are passing on of info, im a noob, im just trying to help how i can, if im wrong or out of place to comment, dont hesitate to let me know :)"WITH WILLING HEARTS AND SKILLFUL HANDS, THE DIFFICULT WE DO AT ONCE, THE IMPOSSIBLE TAKES A BIT LONGER, WITH COMPASSION FOR OTHERS. WE BUILD - WE FIGHT FOR PEACE WITH FREEDOM"Seabee Memorial, Arlington, VA
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  • blehmbo
    blehmbo Posts: 179
    edited January 2013
    Have you tried using the pure direct setting on the rx-v765? It should minimize the amount of processing that is done to the signal (unfortunately bass management is one of those things).

    As far as I know there shouldn't be a difference between lossless formats, maybe other than cpu overhead and player compatibility. Converting between lossless formats shouldn't cause any decreases in quality.
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  • blehmbo
    blehmbo Posts: 179
    edited January 2013
    Since you plan on getting a DAC in the future, consider skipping the v-link and putting the cash toward a DAC that supports asynchronous USB. It seems to be a feature that is becoming more common in entry level DACs.
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  • Tbone289
    Tbone289 Posts: 661
    edited January 2013
    blehmbo wrote: »
    Since you plan on getting a DAC in the future, consider skipping the v-link and putting the cash toward a DAC that supports asynchronous USB. It seems to be a feature that is becoming more common in entry level DACs.

    This is the route I would take also (and I did!). I have tried several in the $150-$400 range, and would highly recommend the Musical Fidelity V-DACII. To my ears, it is the best of the class.
    2.1: PC>Schiit Gungnir MB>Schiit Freya Noval>NAD C-270>Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1, HSU STF-2 5.1: HDMI Bitstream>Denon AVR-1910>polkaudio RTE55, CS350-LS, RT3, HSU STF-2, Visio M55-F0
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  • seabeerob213
    seabeerob213 Posts: 1,843
    edited January 2013
    blehmbo wrote: »
    Since you plan on getting a DAC in the future, consider skipping the v-link and putting the cash toward a DAC that supports asynchronous USB. It seems to be a feature that is becoming more common in entry level DACs.

    sounds like a good plan to me, if others have tried it and liked it, i dont see why not
    2 Channel(work in progress):DAC: Schiit modi 2 uberAmp:Parasound 1200 MK IISub:RBH 1010-SEP Speakers: Monitor 5A peerlesscurrently running some krk rokit 3g since the HK pre outs died and i need to start breaking everything down to move in a couple monthsHeadphones:Source: tidalDAC: schiit modius epre: schiit sysAmp: AQ dragonfly black/ schiit magni2 Cans: Velodyne V-True, Grado SR225i, sennheiser x drop gaming headsetPC:DAC: schiit modius e(over spdif)pre: schiit sysspeakers: prenous eris 5 xtSub: Earthquake Sound MiniMe-P63most of my comments are passing on of info, im a noob, im just trying to help how i can, if im wrong or out of place to comment, dont hesitate to let me know :)"WITH WILLING HEARTS AND SKILLFUL HANDS, THE DIFFICULT WE DO AT ONCE, THE IMPOSSIBLE TAKES A BIT LONGER, WITH COMPASSION FOR OTHERS. WE BUILD - WE FIGHT FOR PEACE WITH FREEDOM"Seabee Memorial, Arlington, VA
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  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,375
    edited January 2013
    I want to get more serious about building my music library on my PC and I see many recommendations for JRiver and a good DAC. If I am presently only using the sound card, does JRiver make sense? Also, I see recommendations against using JRiver for MP3's. Why?

    Thanks
    Stan
    Stan

    Main 2ch:
    Polk LSi15 (DB840 upgrade), Parasound: P/LD-1100, HCA-1000A; Denon: DVD-2910, DRM-800A; Benchmark DAC1, Monster HTS3600-MKII, Grado SR-225i; Technics SL-J2, Parasound PPH-100.

    HT:
    Marantz SR7010, Polk: RTA11TL (RDO198-1, XO and Damping Upgrades), S4, CS250, PSW110 , Marantz UD5005, Pioneer PL-530, Panasonic TC-P42S60

    Other stuff:
    Denon: DRA-835R, AVR-888, DCD-660, DRM-700A, DRR-780; Polk: S8, Monitor 5A, 5B, TSi100, RM7, PSW10 (DXi104 upgrade); Pioneer: CT-6R; Onkyo CP-1046F; Ortofon OM5E, Marantz: PM5004, CD5004, CDR-615; Parasound C/PT-600, HCA-800ii, Sony CDP-650ESD, Technics SA 5070, B&W DM601
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited January 2013
    skrol wrote: »
    I want to get more serious about building my music library on my PC and I see many recommendations for JRiver and a good DAC. If I am presently only using the sound card, does JRiver make sense? Also, I see recommendations against using JRiver for MP3's. Why?

    Thanks
    Stan

    I would think regardless of how your sending the music out JRiver would be a good choice. Your source file and playback program are the beginning of the chain, so if they are low quality, no matter what other gear you have upstream from it (soundcard, speakers, etc) wont make that big a difference.
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • Tbone289
    Tbone289 Posts: 661
    edited January 2013
    I have no idea why that would be. JRiver should be able to decode mp3 just as well as any other format.
    2.1: PC>Schiit Gungnir MB>Schiit Freya Noval>NAD C-270>Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1, HSU STF-2 5.1: HDMI Bitstream>Denon AVR-1910>polkaudio RTE55, CS350-LS, RT3, HSU STF-2, Visio M55-F0
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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited January 2013
    skrol wrote: »
    I want to get more serious about building my music library on my PC and I see many recommendations for JRiver and a good DAC. If I am presently only using the sound card, does JRiver make sense? Also, I see recommendations against using JRiver for MP3's. Why?

    Thanks
    Stan

    Are people saying that JRiver is not good at playing MP3's, or that MP3's are not good to be played on JRiver? lol. The answer is that MP3's have no place in a hifi rig, period. But I agree with TBone, JRiver can play MP3's as well as any other media player.
    2-Channel: PC > Schiit Eitr > Audio Research DAC-8 > Audio Research LS-26 > Pass Labs X-250.5 > Magnepan 3.7's

    Living Room: PC > Marantz AV-7703 > Emotiva XPA-5 > Sonus Faber Liuto Towers, Sonus Faber Liuto Center, Sonus Faber Liuto Bookshelves > Dual SVS PC12-Pluses

    Office: Phone/Tablet > AudioEngine B1 > McIntosh D100 > Bryston 4B-ST > Polk Audio LSiM-703's
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  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,375
    edited January 2013
    Thanks for the clarification. I plan to convert CD's to FLAC but some music I only have in mp3 format (for now).
    Stan

    Main 2ch:
    Polk LSi15 (DB840 upgrade), Parasound: P/LD-1100, HCA-1000A; Denon: DVD-2910, DRM-800A; Benchmark DAC1, Monster HTS3600-MKII, Grado SR-225i; Technics SL-J2, Parasound PPH-100.

    HT:
    Marantz SR7010, Polk: RTA11TL (RDO198-1, XO and Damping Upgrades), S4, CS250, PSW110 , Marantz UD5005, Pioneer PL-530, Panasonic TC-P42S60

    Other stuff:
    Denon: DRA-835R, AVR-888, DCD-660, DRM-700A, DRR-780; Polk: S8, Monitor 5A, 5B, TSi100, RM7, PSW10 (DXi104 upgrade); Pioneer: CT-6R; Onkyo CP-1046F; Ortofon OM5E, Marantz: PM5004, CD5004, CDR-615; Parasound C/PT-600, HCA-800ii, Sony CDP-650ESD, Technics SA 5070, B&W DM601
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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited January 2013
    skrol wrote: »
    Thanks for the clarification. I plan to convert CD's to FLAC but some music I only have in mp3 format (for now).

    hey, it's better to have music as MP3 than not at all! I use MP3's in my car on my ipod, and stuff like that... but for the main rig? Lossless only.
    2-Channel: PC > Schiit Eitr > Audio Research DAC-8 > Audio Research LS-26 > Pass Labs X-250.5 > Magnepan 3.7's

    Living Room: PC > Marantz AV-7703 > Emotiva XPA-5 > Sonus Faber Liuto Towers, Sonus Faber Liuto Center, Sonus Faber Liuto Bookshelves > Dual SVS PC12-Pluses

    Office: Phone/Tablet > AudioEngine B1 > McIntosh D100 > Bryston 4B-ST > Polk Audio LSiM-703's
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited January 2013
    skrol wrote: »
    Thanks for the clarification. I plan to convert CD's to FLAC but some music I only have in mp3 format (for now).

    I am in the same boat, some of the music I have in MP3 is the only format I can ever get it in as I have lost/discarded the original CD or never had it to begin with.

    So in my main rig I have a combined library of all the CD's I did still have in FLAC, and now buy ONLY CD's to rip to FLAC so moving forward I am good. However I did add in all the compressed MP3's that I cant find elsewhere into that system simply because lots of those are songs I dont listen to critically but more for fun.

    I mean who cares if you are listening to Nelly's Party People lossless or MP3 lol, either way your cranking it for the bassline and to nod your head and bounce along to the beat hehehe....
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,375
    edited January 2013
    What do you guys use for ripping vinyl to FLAC?
    Stan

    Main 2ch:
    Polk LSi15 (DB840 upgrade), Parasound: P/LD-1100, HCA-1000A; Denon: DVD-2910, DRM-800A; Benchmark DAC1, Monster HTS3600-MKII, Grado SR-225i; Technics SL-J2, Parasound PPH-100.

    HT:
    Marantz SR7010, Polk: RTA11TL (RDO198-1, XO and Damping Upgrades), S4, CS250, PSW110 , Marantz UD5005, Pioneer PL-530, Panasonic TC-P42S60

    Other stuff:
    Denon: DRA-835R, AVR-888, DCD-660, DRM-700A, DRR-780; Polk: S8, Monitor 5A, 5B, TSi100, RM7, PSW10 (DXi104 upgrade); Pioneer: CT-6R; Onkyo CP-1046F; Ortofon OM5E, Marantz: PM5004, CD5004, CDR-615; Parasound C/PT-600, HCA-800ii, Sony CDP-650ESD, Technics SA 5070, B&W DM601
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  • seabeerob213
    seabeerob213 Posts: 1,843
    edited January 2013
    i also still have a bunch of music in mp3 or other compressed type files, but i have a playlist composed of all my lossless files and one of the stuff i like the most,
    2 Channel(work in progress):DAC: Schiit modi 2 uberAmp:Parasound 1200 MK IISub:RBH 1010-SEP Speakers: Monitor 5A peerlesscurrently running some krk rokit 3g since the HK pre outs died and i need to start breaking everything down to move in a couple monthsHeadphones:Source: tidalDAC: schiit modius epre: schiit sysAmp: AQ dragonfly black/ schiit magni2 Cans: Velodyne V-True, Grado SR225i, sennheiser x drop gaming headsetPC:DAC: schiit modius e(over spdif)pre: schiit sysspeakers: prenous eris 5 xtSub: Earthquake Sound MiniMe-P63most of my comments are passing on of info, im a noob, im just trying to help how i can, if im wrong or out of place to comment, dont hesitate to let me know :)"WITH WILLING HEARTS AND SKILLFUL HANDS, THE DIFFICULT WE DO AT ONCE, THE IMPOSSIBLE TAKES A BIT LONGER, WITH COMPASSION FOR OTHERS. WE BUILD - WE FIGHT FOR PEACE WITH FREEDOM"Seabee Memorial, Arlington, VA
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  • KellyMic
    KellyMic Posts: 166
    edited January 2013
    skrol wrote: »
    What do you guys use for ripping vinyl to FLAC?
    I use Sound Forge but only to record. It's pop filter is not good and distorts the music. I do all cleanup in another wav editor then to flac.
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    Crown D-75, Crown CE1000, Crown CE2000
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