Recommend Receiver for my setup

dirtydenim86

Hey Guys,

This will be my first home theater setup I am picking up pieces as I go so far I have:

2 x RTI10 Polk Audio Front Tower Speakers
2 x RTI4 Pol Audio Bookself (for rear)
1 x CSi5 Center Channel RTI Series Speaker

I am loooking for a receiver to go with this setup preferably in the $250-$300 range.

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/pioneer-pioneer-7-1-channel-network-receiver-vsx-1022-k-vsx-1022-k/10195884.aspx?path=d1e9c9e7d0e116de6fb28ab1cc1ea13fen02

I have been looking at the Pioneer 1022k right now but haven't pulled the trigger yet looking for some input.

Thanks!

specd_out

Those RTi10s you have need a fair amount of power to really make them sing. The AVR you chose is solid but not quite powerful enough to push those speakers.

I would recommend either looking for a used but more powerful amp. Maybe something in the Elite line. If you go this route get something with preouts. This way you can just add a power amp to the AVR when you get more funds and not have to buy a new avr for the preouts plus purchase a power amp. (I learned from my mistakes)

Or get a nice sub (which you need anyway) set the crossover for 80hz. It will allow the avr to use all its power for the mids and the highs, and the subwoofer and its amp will handle the lows.

If you listen to 2channel you can go into mcacc and set the subwoofer to "plus". This will allow the subwoofer to play in 2channel.

specd_out

anonymouse wrote: »

The price of this keeps fluctuating a bit, but is currently around $480. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00505F01E/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?t=slicinc-20&tag=slicinc-20&ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

You will need quite a receiver to power those RTi10's and CSi5. Would suggest you open up your budget a bit more to get more out of them.




The problem with that 1022K is its not got enough power, and it does not have preamp outputs either, so you are kind of at a dead end in terms of extending its life with a separate amp down the road.

Another alternative is to buy an older used receiver which can be had for real cheap, and use an HDMI switch to do your video switching. The HK 247 or 347 series would do great.

same thing I said just a few seconds earlier. lol

Willow

do you need hdmi pass through? if not I say check you local kijiji or used(city) adds and do like mentioned above. just buy one that has preouts so you can add an ext amp later on down the line.

dirtydenim86

specd_out wrote: »

Those RTi10s you have need a fair amount of power to really make them sing. The AVR you chose is solid but not quite powerful enough to push those speakers.

I would recommend either looking for a used but more powerful amp. Maybe something in the Elite line. If you go this route get something with preouts. This way you can just add a power amp to the AVR when you get more funds and not have to buy a new avr for the preouts plus purchase a power amp. (I learned from my mistakes)

Or get a nice sub (which you need anyway) set the crossover for 80hz. It will allow the avr to use all its power for the mids and the highs, and the subwoofer and its amp will handle the lows.

If you listen to 2channel you can go into mcacc and set the subwoofer to "plus". This will allow the subwoofer to play in 2channel.

I am looking at getting this sub...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290130

I have the other items I listed I am just in the market for a receiver and a sub I know I probably did it backwards but just couldn't find a deal on a receiver worth pulling the trigger on got a decent deal on the speakers.

I am new to the home theater scene and this will be my first setup I am not very familiar with what specs to look at when looking for a receiver to power my system what are some of the essientials when looking for a good receiver to power my front and rear speakers along with my center?

dirtydenim86

specd_out wrote: »

Those RTi10s you have need a fair amount of power to really make them sing. The AVR you chose is solid but not quite powerful enough to push those speakers.

I would recommend either looking for a used but more powerful amp. Maybe something in the Elite line. If you go this route get something with preouts. This way you can just add a power amp to the AVR when you get more funds and not have to buy a new avr for the preouts plus purchase a power amp. (I learned from my mistakes)

Or get a nice sub (which you need anyway) set the crossover for 80hz. It will allow the avr to use all its power for the mids and the highs, and the subwoofer and its amp will handle the lows.

If you listen to 2channel you can go into mcacc and set the subwoofer to "plus". This will allow the subwoofer to play in 2channel.

If I were to go ahead and package the psw550 sub with the pioneer 1022k would that help?

tonyb

You want to look for a receiver with preouts, which that one I don't think has. Why ? Because should you ever decide to move up the speaker chain, you will most likely need to add an amplifier which you cannot do without preouts.

B Run

Honestly that 1022 will leave you wanting more. I ran Rti8's (easier to drive), off an 1120 (more powerful) and still ended up adding an amp for more power. I'd either budget for a cheaper avr with pre outs or i'd spend a little more and do it right the first time. You've got a nice setup, you'll be glad you did.

dirtydenim86

B Run wrote: »

Honestly that 1022 will leave you wanting more. I ran Rti8's (easier to drive), off an 1120 (more powerful) and still ended up adding an amp for more power. I'd either budget for a cheaper avr with pre outs or i'd spend a little more and do it right the first time. You've got a nice setup, you'll be glad you did.

Are there any receiver suggestions in the $350 range that would allow me to get the best possible sound quality out of the RTI10s?

cfrizz

Not any that have preouts for future power upgrades to get the full potential out of your speakers. Take your time, save a bit more money and get a better receiver that has preouts. If you want the best possible sound quality out of your speakers, you need to provide them with the power to do so, and a receiver in your price range will NOT get it done. As B Run said do it once and do it right the first time around.

Welcome to Club Polk.

dirtydenim86

cfrizz wrote: »

Not any that have preouts for future power upgrades to get the full potential out of your speakers. Take your time, save a bit more money and get a better receiver that has preouts. If you want the best possible sound quality out of your speakers, you need to provide them with the power to do so, and a receiver in your price range will NOT get it done. As B Run said do it once and do it right the first time around.

Welcome to Club Polk.

How much power is recommended to make those rti10s sing?

I noticed the Onkyo TX-NR809 has about 130 w for high mid lows?

Pioneer has these specs:

Power Output per Channel (20Hz-20kHz, 0.08%THD@8ohm): 80W

Power Output per Channel (1kHz@8ohm): 110W

Power Output per Channel (1kHz@6ohm): 140W

For the Pioneer does that mean the highs are at 140W? Mids at 110? amd lows at 80W?

tonyb

No, my good man, thats for the whole freq. response, or the whole speaker depending. Receiver power ratings are somewhat misleading. When you drive more speakers the power each gets goes down. Say 100 watts per channel, 2 channels driven is the spec, but at 5 channels driven it may drop to 80, and at 7 channels, may go as low as 30-40.

350 is a tad on the low side unless you want to buy used.

dirtydenim86

tonyb wrote: »

No, my good man, thats for the whole freq. response, or the whole speaker depending. Receiver power ratings are somewhat misleading. When you drive more speakers the power each gets goes down. Say 100 watts per channel, 2 channels driven is the spec, but at 5 channels driven it may drop to 80, and at 7 channels, may go as low as 30-40. 350 is a tad on the low side unless you want to buy used.

Would the Onkyo TX-NR809 for $480 be the best value on a receiver that would have enough power to support my setup?

SugarmillMan

The Onkyo TX-NR809 will work just fine but will not produce the best possible sound you might hear. What everyone is telling you is to realize the very best from those speakers, you will need a fairly high powered receiver or better yet, an external amplifier.

My advice would be to get the 809 for now and evaluate your need for an amplifier later. You could always add a reasonably priced Adcom, Rotel or Emotiva amp at a later.

chumlie

Hard to beat at that price. Should serve your needs quite nicely.

dirtydenim86

anonymouse wrote: »

That is a $1,100 MSRP receiver. You would be hard pressed to do better for that receiver new. It will handle your setup initially will great results. Down the road, to get the best from your 10s, you may want to add an external amp, and the 809 has the preamp outs to allow you to do that. I have no idea what the duty on that to Canada would be, but if you are in the US, that receiver is a no brainer if you can spare the coin.

Excellent I was going to get the Pioneer 1022k but as suggested I think I am going to wait on a receiver for now that way I won't rush and hate myself for doing it later.

I am already going over to the states to pickup my csi5 and possibly a sub.

If I purchased the Onkyo NR809 from that amazon link is it covered under the same warranty if I were to get it from Onkyo?

dirtydenim86

anonymouse wrote: »

It is sold by directly by Amazon, and they list a 2 year limited warranty. Amazon is about as trustworthy a merchant as they come.

I have ordered from them a few times seem to be fairly decent haven't had any issues with them either.

Were there any other receivers that are recommended in the $480 price range that will pump my RTI10s?

or is that as cheap a price I will find for a receiver of that sort?

Also if I were to go with a cheaper AVR with that has the ability to add an amp later for power overall power how much do the amps go for?

I am just debating whether to bite the bullet now and get a powerful receiver and sit back and relax or wait it out.

F1nut

Were there any other receivers that are recommended in the $480 price range that will pump my RTI10s?

You might be able to pick up a Pioneer Elite SC-07 in that price range. It puts out its rated power with 5 channels driven and just a tad less with 7 channels driven. I doubt you'll ever feel the need to add an external amp to it.

dirtydenim86

F1nut wrote: »

You might be able to pick up a Pioneer Elite SC-07 in that price range. It puts out its rated power with 5 channels driven and just a tad less with 7 channels driven. I doubt you'll ever feel the need to add an external amp to it.

Looks like the Pioneer Elite SC-07 goes for about $750 on amazon.

Appears that the Onkyo TX-NR809 might be the best bet as far as price and power.

F1nut

Used SC-37's were selling for that money. Keep looking....places like eBay and Audiogon, do a Google search. Something will turn up in your price range.

seabeerob213

newegg has that sub for 190 for 3 more days, if you want it, nows the time

dirtydenim86

seabeerob213 wrote: »

newegg has that sub for 190 for 3 more days, if you want it, nows the time

Found it on amazon for the same price:

http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-12-Inch-Powered-Subwoofer/dp/B000092TT0

decided to get it from there since newegg is a pain for Canadians.

for a setup like this which speaker wire is recommended 12 gauge?

RamZet

F1nut wrote: »

You might be able to pick up a Pioneer Elite SC-07 in that price range. It puts out its rated power with 5 channels driven and just a tad less with 7 channels driven. I doubt you'll ever feel the need to add an external amp to it.

+1
Pioneer has great gear.

dirtydenim86

anonymouse wrote: »

The price of this keeps fluctuating a bit, but is currently around $480. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00505F01E/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?t=slicinc-20&tag=slicinc-20&ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

You will need quite a receiver to power those RTi10's and CSi5. Would suggest you open up your budget a bit more to get more out of them.

The problem with that 1022K is its not got enough power, and it does not have preamp outputs either, so you are kind of at a dead end in terms of extending its life with a separate amp down the road.

Another alternative is to buy an older used receiver which can be had for real cheap, and use an HDMI switch to do your video switching. The HK 247 or 347 series would do great.

I ended up upping my budget and going with the Onkyo 809 hopefully I won't regret it there were some good reviews and some with overheating issues hopefully I don't run into those.

But my setup is going to be:

RTI10's in the front
RTi4's in the rear
CSi5 Center Speaker
PSW505 Sub 12"
and the Onkyo 809 Receiver

cfrizz

Well done, you are well on your way to having one rocking system.

dirtydenim86

cfrizz wrote: »

Well done, you are well on your way to having one rocking system.

Thanks!

I am however a little worried about the layout of my basement for a home theater cave.

I will post up some photos of my room in a bit to see what you guys think of my plan I initially wasn't going to go with tower speakers but the deal caught me off guard a bit lol

michael1947

I just got an e-mail from ebay tonight about an Onkyo TXSR 870 that was posted for sale. I already have it's little brother, an 805, so I don't need it. It has a buy it now price of 375 and that would be money spent...and would take care of your set-up. best of luck

cowtrimmer

dirtydenim86 wrote: »

I ended up upping my budget and going with the Onkyo 809 hopefully I won't regret it there were some good reviews and some with overheating issues hopefully I don't run into those.

But my setup is going to be:

RTI10's in the front
RTi4's in the rear
CSi5 Center Speaker
PSW505 Sub 12"
and the Onkyo 809 Receiver

My 809 runs cooler than my 609 did running the same speaker setup. Its a good middle of the road AVR and you should be happy with it for $500 +or- price tag.

xftman

Onkyo 809 price went up
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR809-Certified-7-2-Channel-Receiver/dp/B00505F01E/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1357059288&sr=1-1&keywords=onkyo+809

dirtydenim86

xftman wrote: »

Onkyo 809 price went up
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR809-Certified-7-2-Channel-Receiver/dp/B00505F01E/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1357059288&sr=1-1&keywords=onkyo+809

Damn I actually ended up buying it and then it went on sale just yesterday for $30 less so I ended up getting it for $450 + tax.

Man I feel alot better about jumping on that now.

EndersShadow

xftman wrote: »

Onkyo 809 price went up
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR809-Certified-7-2-Channel-Receiver/dp/B00505F01E/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1357059288&sr=1-1&keywords=onkyo+809

Eh, you can still get refurbs at A4L of both it and the 709 for decent prices and those will stay the same..