Pioneer SC-37 preamp or solo

bassaholic
bassaholic Posts: 315
edited October 2012 in Electronics
I recently bought a new to me but used SC-37. In haste of things I simply hooked it up using the pre-outs using my Monster Power amps. ( I know not many fans here)

My question is... has anyone tried this receiver with an external amp and then decided it was not necessary? My Monster amps are rated at 250W into 8ohms. The receiver is a little more than half that. With that being said, external amps with my old Denon 3805 made my ears bleed. I liked the extra power but, rarely used it. ( Crappy neighbors)

I know I could hook the SC up without the amps however my cables are suited for the amps. Questions/Comments appreciated. (Mantis HELP)

BTW, I'm gonna go blind reading the owners manual. I truly don't understand half of it. (Note to self, I should read more on here)

Thanks all.
Pioneer SC-37
RTiA9-fronts
CSiA6-center
RT55i-surrounds
SVS PB13 Ultra & PSW650
Monster Power 3250 amp
Monster Power 2250 amp
Monster Power HDP-2500 surge pro.



Denon 3805,CS400i,RT25i's & FX500i's sitting in the basement collecting dust
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited October 2012
    Give both a try. Those a9's are bright regardless. I ran my a9's off my Sc's with good results.
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  • bassaholic
    bassaholic Posts: 315
    edited October 2012
    It would be a PITA. Speaker wires are only long enough to make it to the amps. The amps are not that close to the AVR.
    Pioneer SC-37
    RTiA9-fronts
    CSiA6-center
    RT55i-surrounds
    SVS PB13 Ultra & PSW650
    Monster Power 3250 amp
    Monster Power 2250 amp
    Monster Power HDP-2500 surge pro.



    Denon 3805,CS400i,RT25i's & FX500i's sitting in the basement collecting dust
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  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    edited October 2012
    I run a sc-27 on rti12 without any issues. I have mine crossed over at 80 and the sc27 ice amps inside the 27 actually sound quite good with the rti12.
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  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    edited October 2012
    Forgot to say, usually i dont recommend this but, if your just checking to see how it would sound and the cables are too short, just add some wire to what your using and black tape it up good. Not a long term solution but, just to see how it would do? why not!
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited October 2012
    What happened to all that wire I sold you?
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  • B Run
    B Run Posts: 1,888
    edited October 2012
    I run my Rti12's with an SC-35 without amps. I had an Adcom Gfa7000 and went back and forth several times, I found the sound was a lot cleaner and more detailed with the Pioneer and I could not really tell a difference in power. However that amp was 130wpc so take that for what its worth.
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  • bassaholic
    bassaholic Posts: 315
    edited October 2012
    leroyjr1 wrote: »
    What happened to all that wire I sold you?

    That's what I'm using w/ nana plugs. Leftovers went to a basement setup that's collecting dust...thus my signature.
    Pioneer SC-37
    RTiA9-fronts
    CSiA6-center
    RT55i-surrounds
    SVS PB13 Ultra & PSW650
    Monster Power 3250 amp
    Monster Power 2250 amp
    Monster Power HDP-2500 surge pro.



    Denon 3805,CS400i,RT25i's & FX500i's sitting in the basement collecting dust
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  • bassaholic
    bassaholic Posts: 315
    edited October 2012
    B Run wrote: »
    I run my Rti12's with an SC-35 without amps. I had an Adcom Gfa7000 and went back and forth several times, I found the sound was a lot cleaner and more detailed with the Pioneer and I could not really tell a difference in power. However that amp was 130wpc so take that for what its worth.

    Never heard a gfa7000 but the monster amps put out some sound. I appreciate the response but watt for watt...not much comparison.
    Pioneer SC-37
    RTiA9-fronts
    CSiA6-center
    RT55i-surrounds
    SVS PB13 Ultra & PSW650
    Monster Power 3250 amp
    Monster Power 2250 amp
    Monster Power HDP-2500 surge pro.



    Denon 3805,CS400i,RT25i's & FX500i's sitting in the basement collecting dust
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited October 2012
    Let me check and see what I have laying around. What length do you need?
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  • bassaholic
    bassaholic Posts: 315
    edited October 2012
    leroyjr1 wrote: »
    Let me check and see what I have laying around. What length do you need?

    No worried I can buy some locally. Just checking opinions before I dive into a cable / wire jungle.
    Pioneer SC-37
    RTiA9-fronts
    CSiA6-center
    RT55i-surrounds
    SVS PB13 Ultra & PSW650
    Monster Power 3250 amp
    Monster Power 2250 amp
    Monster Power HDP-2500 surge pro.



    Denon 3805,CS400i,RT25i's & FX500i's sitting in the basement collecting dust
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,967
    edited October 2012
    Since your subs are doing all the heavy lifting, try it out with the receiver alone. It may sound better. Sell the monster amps and buy one good one or better cables to suit your needs.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,194
    edited October 2012
    The SC-37 has plenty of power for your system. Sell off the amps and use the internal amps. Use that money to buy new speaker wire , IC's and whatever your system needs. Do you have a good Surge / Voltage stablizer?
    Dan
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  • bassaholic
    bassaholic Posts: 315
    edited October 2012
    mantis wrote: »
    The SC-37 has plenty of power for your system. Sell off the amps and use the internal amps. Use that money to buy new speaker wire , IC's and whatever your system needs. Do you have a good Surge / Voltage stablizer?

    I use a Monster HTS-2500 surge protector.
    Pioneer SC-37
    RTiA9-fronts
    CSiA6-center
    RT55i-surrounds
    SVS PB13 Ultra & PSW650
    Monster Power 3250 amp
    Monster Power 2250 amp
    Monster Power HDP-2500 surge pro.



    Denon 3805,CS400i,RT25i's & FX500i's sitting in the basement collecting dust
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  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    edited October 2012
    If you have some bare wire in the basement, just black tape it to the end of your nana plugs just for a quick test. I do not recommend this long term but just to see how it sounds, why not!
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