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  • Devlon
    Devlon Posts: 355
    edited October 2012
    sonic craft 50% off discount for oct

    http://www.soniccraft.com/specials.htm
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,653
    edited October 2012
    The sale is for 20% off. The 50% off is on a very limited number of items.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    edited October 2012
    gimpod wrote: »
    Sorry but I have to call like I see it. I've read some really stupid posts here but this one is right up there with "I can hear the difference in my system when powered by a coal fired power plant or a nuclear power plant".:eek:

    The only way that this statement even comes anywhere close to being true is if your NOT going to be updating the stock SL2000 tweeters. If this is the case my I make a suggestion, Call Vr3 and see if you can cancel your order then sell those SDA 2B's to someone who will make the effort and spend the money to upgrade them the way they should be.

    Keep in mind that as of the last time I checked the RDO-198 cost the same as the RDO-194 (The drop in replacement for the SL2000 and a much better tweeter) around $100 a pair add under $10 for a pair of Solen 5.6uF caps.

    So if you go with the parts you've ordered from Vr3 and get the RDO-194's your looking at around $180 total. if you TL them with the 2 caps and RDO-198's instead of the RDO-194's your looking at around $190 total. How is that "stupid expensive".

    Just like F1nut said "You get what you pay for" as far as "ANY improvement is SQ" go's if your keep the stock tweeters there will be some but I wouldn't expect much.

    Ok...I have shown my ignorance. Was also a bit buzzed and pissed off (i thought the buckeyes were going to lose). I thought the "TL" mod consisted of a major change of all caps and resistors, plus adding some others. I planned on ordering RD0-194s on Monday. (I am not a complete idiot. Just occasionally, and with the help of adult beverages) :mrgreen:
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  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    edited October 2012
    VR3 wrote: »
    I took the liberty to upgrade your tweeter capacitor to Clarity Cap PX at no charge :)

    Will be able to ship your parts mid next week!

    Thanks!

    Although not necessary, that was very nice of you! Thanks. I am certainly recommending your services to friends and family.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,197
    edited October 2012
    deronb1 wrote: »

    The "TL" upgrade is stupid expensive. I have the sinking feeling that no one here could tell the difference between a Bennic cap and a Clarity cap when put to the test.

    Then why ask, if you believe there is no difference. I have compared Bennic, Dayton, Clarity, Sonicap and Solen. They all have their own signature, with Sonicap and Clarity being the better of the bunch. Why don't you actually try listening to different caps before you make blanket generalizations because your feelings are hurt.

    Trey is as solid as they come, but I'm not sure why he recommended Solens over Clarity, but we all have our opinions based on listening. Again, I don't get why people ask questions, which are obviously based on a great amount of opinion, and then get all testy when they get answers they don't like. Do a search, it's been asked 1000 times, maybe you will find the answer that you are looking in those numerous posts on the subject.

    Not trying to take your fun away or bring you or your gear down. You asked a very general question and you got some answers.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,197
    edited October 2012
    I see Try stepped up and you are considering the TL mod

    That's great.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    edited October 2012
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Then why ask, if you believe there is no difference. I have compared Bennic, Dayton, Clarity, Sonicap and Solen. They all have their own signature, with Sonicap and Clarity being the better of the bunch. Why don't you actually try listening to different caps before you make blanket generalizations because your feelings are hurt.

    Trey is as solid as they come, but I'm not sure why he recommended Solens over Clarity, but we all have our opinions based on listening. Again, I don't get why people ask questions, which are obviously based on a great amount of opinion, and then get all testy when they get answers they don't like. Do a search, it's been asked 1000 times, maybe you will find the answer that you are looking in those numerous posts on the subject.

    Not trying to take your fun away or bring you or your gear down. You asked a very general question and you got some answers.

    H9

    Fair enough. I got a bit defensive there is no doubt, but I just wanted specific info on those products thats all. As far a searching this site? For some reason, it is a pain in the butt and takes forever. Just lazy I guess. Cheers!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,197
    edited October 2012
    If you go TL, you will be amazed at the difference from stock. If you don't go TL you will still be amazed at the difference from stock.....it's a win-win.

    Cheers as well and keep us posted.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    edited October 2012
    Thanks and will do!
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,748
    edited October 2012
    I just wanted to say that...

    My "Default recommendation" for modifications is as follows -

    Tweeter Networks -
    Clarity Cap ESA (or higher)
    Mundorf Resistors or Duelund

    Midbass/Midrange Networks -
    Clarity Cap ESA or below (SA/PX)
    Mundorf Mox or Mundorf Supreme

    Bass Networks -
    Clarity Cap PX/Solen
    Mundorf Mox or Mundorf Supreme

    From there I adjust to price points and desires... :)

    Just wanted to clear the air...

    Thanks
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited October 2012
    soundfreak1 wrote: »
    Do have a simular question (however i have not purchased yet). Did my 5jr+'s with clairity(SA) caps (and love them) i will start buying caps for my RTA12c's in january. Will go no less than the clairity sa's but figure it will have at least 600.00 in parts by the time i do the risistors and the wire, rdo 198 and gold termimators and 5 way binding posts ect. Just woundering if it is worth looking at sonicaps or better with that budget? And is there an audibal diff by going beyound the clairity SA and what the realstic cost increase might be? As it is i will spread the cost over a couple of checks so i can go at least as far as the clairity.

    I don't know how the Clarity SA compares with Soncap, but I can tell you how the Sonicap does with the RTA 12C's: vast improvement over the original caps and resistors.

    A little less than a year ago I rebuilt both the upper and lower Xovers in my 12C's with Sonicaps/mills. Took awhile to settle in, but the change was dramatic, and all for the better. I paid somewhere around $500 give or take, and I still have the SL1000 tweeters. I'm usually very sensitive to exaggerated highs or high frequency distortion, and I don't hear it with these. I still go back and forth over upgrading to the RD-0194's, but am spending my money on other things right now.

    FYI the pcb's on mine are marker RTA 12B. I used the schematics for those which matched the circuit path/wiring I found on mine.

    I highly recommend this mod, along with hurricane nuts and new gaskets. Sonicraft is having a 20% off sale currently - you can save $100 if you order now.
    "Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
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  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited October 2012
    Just started new job and have to wait till jan. to start ordering caps. Have been vascilating between the clairity or sonicap just want to keep or improve the detail and quicken the base a bit, the highs are very nice with the rdo194's so if i can tighten and quicken the base and keep the warmth i will be very pleased. A litter more detail would be nice as well. The 5jr+ improved way beyound what i ever expected they could and are still getting better everytime i play them. Cant wait to do the mods.
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
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  • transmaster
    transmaster Posts: 428
    edited October 2012
    F1nut wrote: »
    Should have gone with Sonicap and Mills. Seriously.

    I totally agree with this accessment what this combination did for my Monitor 10B's is still astonishing. I am going to purchase a pair of Monitor 7's for the rear speakers and the first thing I am going to do when I bring them home is the Sonicap, Mills treatment, a total no brainer.
    Radio Station W7ITC
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,748
    edited October 2012
    I am going to be the disagreeing one, bias aside Clairty Cap ESA/SA and Mundorf Mox over the Sonicap/Mills anyday...

    :-P
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited October 2012
    ESA over Sonic Cap, yes, without a doubt. SA vs. Sonic Cap, Mills vs. Mox, just different flavors.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited October 2012
    deronb1 wrote: »
    Fair enough. I got a bit defensive there is no doubt, but I just wanted specific info on those products thats all. As far a searching this site? For some reason, it is a pain in the butt and takes forever. Just lazy I guess. Cheers!

    As far as searching this site, use google, enter your search term(s) and add to the end of it site:http://www.polkaudio.com/forums kid of like this.....
    solen mundorf site:http://www.polkaudio.com/forums
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,748
    edited November 2012
    Dun dun dun
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    edited November 2012
    VR3 wrote: »
    Dun dun dun

    Looks awsome! Check your paypal.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,748
    edited November 2012
    Yup yup

    Cant beat a 12 hour turn around time!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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