Bluray rental DVDs shipped without lossless audio

BlueFox
BlueFox Posts: 15,251
edited October 2012 in The Clubhouse
I only rent DVDs, and only buy Blurays, so I have not noticed this issue, but it appears the studios are creating Blurays for the rental market that are missing the lossless audio.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430959/netflix-bds-without-dts-hd-master-audio-dd-5-1-instead
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited October 2012
    What's really pi$$ed me off is that both types of rental discs are now minus any bonus material !!
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited October 2012
    gdb wrote: »
    What's really pi$$ed me off is that both types of rental discs are now minus any bonus material !!

    They really are making streaming look better and better they more they do crap like that.
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  • shadowlight
    shadowlight Posts: 327
    edited October 2012
    I thought so far only 2 or 3 movies were identified as not having lossless audio and all of them were either from Summit or Lionsgate which bought Summit.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,194
    edited October 2012
    Why would you rent a Blu ray movie? I don't even see the point if they are only going to give you 1/2 or less of the experience. This is flat out stupid. I'm so sick and tired of Blu ray and HDCP etc etc etc.

    I'm not renting a single movie , eff em.
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited October 2012
    Whats the point of having a bluray player if its not high definition? There should be a court case about this abuse of our trust into thinking that if we pay more to rent a bluray we get high definition audio and video because thats how they advertise it?
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  • ViperZ
    ViperZ Posts: 2,046
    edited October 2012
    Well, there are excellent movie releases without proper sound tracks. Take Phantom of the Opera for example. HD-DVD had absolutely excellent+amazing Dolby TrueHD soundtrack. Stupid blu-ray only has Dolby Digital, not even DD+.
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    edited October 2012
    Wow...I just sat down to watch the hunger games on blu ray. I saw this thread right after i rented it from hastings (a pretty cool B&M store often found in smaller college towns). I looked up the bluray.com review before I rented it (I don't watch too many bds so when I do I want them to be worth my time) and it said the DTS HD Master 7.1 soundtrack was killer...so I grabbed it. Get home, see this thread, think nah, this isn't liongate. Well sure enough it is, and its only in dd 5.1!!! Very disappointed!
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited October 2012
    ViperZ wrote: »
    Well, there are excellent movie releases without proper sound tracks. Take Phantom of the Opera for example. HD-DVD had absolutely excellent+amazing Dolby TrueHD soundtrack. Stupid blu-ray only has Dolby Digital, not even DD+.

    Bluray supports lossless audio. The compression format is irrelevant as long as it is lossless when uncompressed.
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    edited October 2012
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Bluray supports lossless audio. The compression format is irrelevant as long as it is lossless when uncompressed.

    what does this even mean?
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited October 2012
    Exactly what it says. The compression format used to store the audio on a Bluray is irrelevant so long as it is correctly uncompressed.
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  • teekay0007
    teekay0007 Posts: 2,289
    edited October 2012
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Exactly what it says. The compression format used to store the audio on a Bluray is irrelevant so long as it is correctly uncompressed.


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  • badchad
    badchad Posts: 348
    edited October 2012
    Definitely crap. I've noticed more and more red bod movies are stamped with a "rental disc" label, and are missing features.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,773
    edited October 2012
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Bluray supports lossless audio. The compression format is irrelevant as long as it is lossless when uncompressed.

    But Dolby Digital, which he was referring to is not lossless.
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    edited October 2012
    Yes it was the context of the response that rendered it confusing...
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  • shadowlight
    shadowlight Posts: 327
    edited October 2012
    I received BluRay for Avengers yesterday and it had lossless audio but the picture was 16:9, which I was disappointed with.
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  • ViperZ
    ViperZ Posts: 2,046
    edited October 2012
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Exactly what it says. The compression format used to store the audio on a Bluray is irrelevant so long as it is correctly uncompressed.

    Huh??? Compressing a soundtrack is not like "zipping"/compressing a file LOL. A compressed DIGITAL soundtrack means exactly that - it was COMPRESSED when it was recorded onto the disc. Your "uncompression" will not be restoring "lost" bits, you get what you get. It's not like you take 128Kbps MP3 file, dump in on blu-ray, play it on Oppo player and all of a sudden it became uncompressed FLAC. The purpose of that "compression" is to save disc space, which sound retarded wrt to blu-ray, but I guess it makes sense to studios.
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  • DMara
    DMara Posts: 1,434
    edited October 2012
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    Wow...I just sat down to watch the hunger games on blu ray. I saw this thread right after i rented it from hastings (a pretty cool B&M store often found in smaller college towns). I looked up the bluray.com review before I rented it (I don't watch too many bds so when I do I want them to be worth my time) and it said the DTS HD Master 7.1 soundtrack was killer...so I grabbed it. Get home, see this thread, think nah, this isn't liongate. Well sure enough it is, and its only in dd 5.1!!! Very disappointed!

    I rented that movie from a nearby Blockbuster and didn't experience your problem. It did carry DTS HD soundtrack.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited October 2012
    ViperZ wrote: »
    Huh??? Compressing a soundtrack is not like "zipping"/compressing a file LOL. A compressed DIGITAL soundtrack means exactly that - it was COMPRESSED when it was recorded onto the disc. Your "uncompression" will not be restoring "lost" bits, you get what you get. It's not like you take 128Kbps MP3 file, dump in on blu-ray, play it on Oppo player and all of a sudden it became uncompressed FLAC. The purpose of that "compression" is to save disc space, which sound retarded wrt to blu-ray, but I guess it makes sense to studios.

    What are you talking about? Nobody has said anything about restoring lost bits. The conversation is that it does not matter whether Dolby or DTS compression is used on a Bluray since both are lossless formats. The uncompressed file is the same for both formats. Contrast that with regular DVDs where DTS lossy compression sounds a bit better than the Dolby version.
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  • blehmbo
    blehmbo Posts: 179
    edited October 2012
    We rented The Hunger Games from Redbox and also noticed the lack of lossless audio. A bit disappointing. I hope this trend doesn't continue.
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  • gce
    gce Posts: 2,158
    edited October 2012
    Well at least on Netflix they are listing Hunger Games as 5.1DD. So we can decide if we want to rent it or not...still sucks tho!!!

    Edit: Just looked at all my BD's in my queue and there all listed as 5.1 dd or dts and the one I just watched was in dts master so I guess there's no way of telling what you're going to get when you rent...Now this really sucks. They should at least tell you what you're getting!!! :evil:
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