Dayton Caps

kidglove13
kidglove13 Posts: 207
edited September 2012 in Vintage Speakers
I have read through all the posts and schematics for my 7's

Is there anything wrong with using the Dayton 33uF 250v and the Dayton 12uF 250v caps for my crossovers?

They seem to be a good bang for your money.

Thanks
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  • StuartB
    StuartB Posts: 87
    edited September 2012
    You might want to consider a little better cap for the tweeter circuit. I recently rebult the crossovers in my 5B speakers. The general linput from this forum was that Daytons or Solens were OK for the woofer circuit, but Clarity or Sonic caps were prefered for the tweeter. I used Clarity PX caps for the 12uF application and was pleased. I also used Mills resitors to replace stock in the crossover. There was not a great difference in price between the Dayton and Calrity PX caps...at least not to me. I figured I would only do this once, and did not want to go the cheapest route and then regret it. Good Luck.
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited September 2012
    They are alright, better than cheap-o electrolytics but nothing special. I'd recommend Clarity Cap PX series over Daytons or what many do is use the Dayton for the low pass (woofer circuit) and something like a Clarity PX or SA series for the high pass.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • kidglove13
    kidglove13 Posts: 207
    edited September 2012
    Thanks for the replies guys
    Well of coarse I got hasty and ordered the Dayton 12uF caps and the 33 uF caps

    But the 12uF's were only $5 each so no biggies

    I will order up the Clarity PX 12uF for the high frequency tomorrow and use the dayton for the lows

    My 7's are currently completely stripped down all the vinyl has been removed as well as the drivers and the crossovers.

    This project is going to be called polish the ****

    I figure the $20 7's would be good for me to practice since the cabs are in rough shape and one of the caps in the crossovers is leaking

    I am going to start another thread about refurbing these 7's

    Again thanks for the replies
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited September 2012
    +1 on the clairty caps. Did mt 5jr+'s with the clairity SA'S and dont regreat it one bit. Almost pover 100 hours on them now and they sound better everytime i turn them on!
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  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    edited September 2012
    I've used Dayton 1% Poly Caps on the Hi-Pass, and Dayton 5% on the Low-Pass for all my crossovers. They never fail to impress me. Some have noted a harsh or grainy quality with the Daytons. I've never experienced this. Same goes for my customers, unless they specify a particular brand or model, they get Daytons. I've yet to receive a single complaint. BTW, it's been reported that Bennic makes all the Dayton caps for Parts Express.
    The smaller value, 1% Dayton Polys make excellent coupling capacitors in electronic circuits as well.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited September 2012
    I had Bennic's in a DAC used as coupling caps for the output. Swapped them for Clarity Cap PW's which are very similar to the PX's only in smaller voltages. The soundstage improved, they are more open, have a smoother midrange and overall just sound a little more "real" sounding.

    Dayton/Bennic are not too bad, just that I feel the Clarity Cap line for about the same $$$ is superior sounding in some key area's.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,987
    edited September 2012
    Track down Trey (VR3). He's put his touch on more than a few (very happy) member's speaker's XOs. I'm confident he'll concur w/the others cap recommendations.

    Since you've taken the plunge on getting started w/upgrades, enjoy! Should you decide to upgrade further, you didn't spend much, you know what to buy, and you'll be experienced with your soldering iron.

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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2012
    heiney9 wrote: »
    I had Bennic's in a DAC used as coupling caps for the output. Swapped them for Clarity Cap PW's which are very similar to the PX's only in smaller voltages. The soundstage improved, they are more open, have a smoother midrange and overall just sound a little more "real" sounding.

    Dayton/Bennic are not too bad, just that I feel the Clarity Cap line for about the same $$$ is superior sounding in some key area's.

    H9
    I've preferred Nichicon FG electrolytic caps to Dayton film caps in coupling and other line level positions. IMO, Clarity caps are better in every way too.
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  • Schurkey
    Schurkey Posts: 2,101
    edited September 2012
    I've used Dayton 1% Poly Caps on the Hi-Pass, and Dayton 5% on the Low-Pass for all my crossovers. They never fail to impress me. Some have noted a harsh or grainy quality with the Daytons. I've never experienced this.
    Dayton 1% on the HF board, Dayton 5% and ERSE 3% on the LF boards of my 1Bs. I'm thrilled with them.
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited September 2012
    To the guys who think the Dayton's are the "bomb", what other higher end caps have you compared them to? If you haven't compared them to some other caps then I could see how you might think they are excellent.

    They are certainly better than many electrolytics, not all, and better than the 20 year old cheapies in the x-over.

    But for the same $$$ or even a little more there are much better performers. Of course, IMO.

    If you have tried others like Sonicap, Clarity Cap, Auricap, Jensen, Mundorf, etc and still feel the Daytons are as good or better then you are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    edited September 2012
    Schurkey wrote: »
    Dayton 1% on the HF board, Dayton 5% and ERSE 3% on the LF boards of my 1Bs. I'm thrilled with them.
    As they say, everyone hears differently. What sounds good to one person, may sound horrible to another.
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  • westmassguy
    westmassguy Posts: 6,850
    edited September 2012
    heiney9 wrote: »
    To the guys who think the Dayton's are the "bomb", what other higher end caps have you compared them to? If you haven't compared them to some other caps then I could see how you might think they are excellent.

    They are certainly better than many electrolytics, not all, and better than the 20 year old cheapies in the x-over.

    But for the same $$$ or even a little more there are much better performers. Of course, IMO.

    If you have tried others like Sonicap, Clarity Cap, Auricap, Jensen, Mundorf, etc and still feel the Daytons are as good or better then you are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

    H9
    Solen, and Clarity Px are two I've compared them to. To my 54 year old ears, and my 54 year old wallet, they sound quite good.
    To each his own.
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  • kidglove13
    kidglove13 Posts: 207
    edited September 2012
    This thread was not created for a debate on caps

    Everyone has their opinions and that is great but this is not a debate about caps to each their own

    I just ordered 2 Clarity PX 12uF caps for the highs on my 7's and I am going to use the Dayton 33uF for the lows

    Thanks for the help folks
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited September 2012
    kidglove13 wrote: »
    This thread was not created for a debate on caps

    Everyone has their opinions and that is great but this is not a debate about caps to each their own

    Lmao, you asked a question and people answer honestly and then you say that's not what this thread was created for? What then? :twisted:

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • kidglove13
    kidglove13 Posts: 207
    edited September 2012
    Oh come on now
    guys dont need to debate over which caps they think is best is all I am saying

    You guys can argue about caps all you want I got my answers:wink:

    This is an easy crowd to set off:eek:

    I am just waiting for someone to say the classic "Hey I wonder what he is here to sell since he is just over a hundred post now":twisted:
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited September 2012
    You should probably look up the word argue.

    No one set any one off, that's for sure.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • kidglove13
    kidglove13 Posts: 207
    edited September 2012
    OK "DEBATE" instead of argue is that better.

    You guys get your noses bent over the most trivial stuff

    It is quite amusing.
  • xoaphexox
    xoaphexox Posts: 246
    edited September 2012
    Since you already got the Daytons, try them out. I like Dayton. If you do too you can consider the job complete and use your money for other things. If you don't like them, spend as much as you possibly can afford on other caps - because it seems from what I've read the more money you spend the better it's going to sound to you, even if its just psychological. :)

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  • transmaster
    transmaster Posts: 428
    edited September 2012
    I took H9's, and others advice on the quality of the cap's, in My case it was Sonicap Gen 1's, for the high pass, and Axon True Cap's for the low pass. I am very pleased with the results.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2012
    I agree Smallies, Dayton caps are awful in electronics.
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