Out with the old......

tonyb

....In with the new. HD tv's that is. Coming to a store near you this X-mass, 4k resolution.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/30/new-sony-tv-to-have-resolution-4-times-greater-than-hd/?intcmp=features

Interesting enough as it is, I noticed the article claimed the industry was looking for a way to get people to go out and buy a new tv. When will these people realize that most will not go out and buy new electronics every few years, especially in this economy. Can't wait to see the price.

cnh

LOL, I'm still waiting for the Toshiba 1080i RGB/Rear Projection HDTV I bought in 2004 to "die". Not going to happen for a while and the wife won't budge until "failure". We do have a 32" LCD in the bedroom though!

4K resolution at 5 figures+? Right!

cnh

pitdogg2

One reason Why i still use my Denon 3910 I seen no reason to jump on the Blu-Ray band wagon so quick. As soon as BR came out they were already talking about 4K coming out within 4yrs. From what i read in the Audio mags most of the studios have used this for a few yrs and were down converting to BR. The studios have been pushing this so they could master straight to disc.

BlueFox

cnh wrote: »

LOL, I'm still waiting for the Toshiba 1080i RGB/Rear Projection HDTV I bought in 2004 to "die".

I am in the same boat, except I have a 57" Hitachi, also bought in 11/04. I am not looking forward to getting rid of the beast simply because it was such a hassle to get it into the bedroom I use for a HT room.

steveinaz

I'm still waiting for the other 1/3 of TV programming to move from standard def.

SDA1C

Though I am sure it is nice and all I think the manufacturers go about it backwards. Instead of making a Tv that reproduces a definition that nearly no one has maybe they should start by making players that can keep up with the Tv's already out there. The whiz bang is definitely cool but I would buy another player that starts at 1920 or so before I bought another Tv limited to the res of a 1080p.

Polkersince85

As much as I use my 55" TV, according to its useful life; I should be good for another 56 years. Movie houses have been projecting 4K movies for years.

sucks2beme

The only good thing about this is I might be able to pick up a 55' LCD cheap.
I have no desire to be on the cutting edge of this nonsense. 18.1 sound with 2 zillion lines
of resolution. And 99% of the movies are complete crap. Gee, can they put Adam Sandler
in a worse movie than they already have?

Upstatemax

SDA1C wrote: »

Though I am sure it is nice and all I think the manufacturers go about it backwards. Instead of making a Tv that reproduces a definition that nearly no one has maybe they should start by making players that can keep up with the Tv's already out there. The whiz bang is definitely cool but I would buy another player that starts at 1920 or so before I bought another Tv limited to the res of a 1080p.

IIRC Sony has had players that support 4k out for like 6 months now...

newrival

pitdogg2 wrote: »

One reason Why i still use my Denon 3910 I seen no reason to jump on the Blu-Ray band wagon so quick. As soon as BR came out they were already talking about 4K coming out within 4yrs. From what i read in the Audio mags most of the studios have used this for a few yrs and were down converting to BR. The studios have been pushing this so they could master straight to disc.

The Blu-Ray bandwagon? So quick??? I know what you mean, It's the same reason I refuse to jump on the broadband bandwagon and get rid of my AOL dial up so quick. I'm still running off my stack of 100 free hour access CD-ROMS.

It's been 6 years! I had to double check your post to make sure this wasn't someone reviving a thread from '07. I'm sorry, but unless you're using an OTA antena or blu-ray, your tv is only playing at about 80% quality, even on HD channels. If you're still running a CRT TV, which is possible considering HDTVs have only been out for a decade+, then that makes sense.

Also, your characterization of how most films are shot and down-converted is just not accurate. There have been under 50films that were processed in 4k and only a handful were natively shot in that format. Most films are shot on... film. They are then processed into distributed formats from there. There is no stockpile of 4k movies just waiting to be released. If there were, we wouldn't be seeing one 4k tv. Also, If you don't plan on buying a 4k tv larger than 60", I doubt you will notice much difference over Blu0-Ray. And TV content? yeah right. If Blu-Ray is still to "niche" for you and you're going to wait it out until 4k has bigger support base, you better stock up on DVD players because it's going to be a while.

newrival

Polkersince85 wrote: »

As much as I use my 55" TV, according to its useful life; I should be good for another 56 years. Movie houses have been projecting 4K movies for years.

Yes, playing 4k but not playing true 4k format releases. There are only a handful of people shooting in digital 4k that is a integral to a 4k format. It's no difference than the crappy first few years of blu-ray where they were just quickly processed into the format. Now They are being directly ported as part of the production workflow. Film cameras have the capability of capturing clarity better than 4k. It isn't always/often done, but it is possible. It will be years before we see true 4k content as the standard of movies, even at the theater level.

Drenis

steveinaz wrote: »

I'm still waiting for the other 1/3 of TV programming to move from standard def.

Exactly!

Black Bar programming is just amazing with its picture quality......:rolleyes:

tonyb

Upstatemax wrote: »

IIRC Sony has had players that support 4k out for like 6 months now...

Yippie......with the starting costs of their 4k HDTV in the 20k neighborhood, don't be so quick to buy that player yet. Yep, 20 large, what the heck do these people think the average joe is going to spend on a TV. Didn't they pay attention to Pioneer who had a hard time selling 6 grand TV's ? Looks like a case of having to wait for that trickle down technology.

pitdogg2

newrival wrote: »

The Blu-Ray bandwagon? So quick??? I know what you mean, It's the same reason I refuse to jump on the broadband bandwagon and get rid of my AOL dial up so quick. I'm still running off my stack of 100 free hour access CD-ROMS.

It's been 6 years! I had to double check your post to make sure this wasn't someone reviving a thread from '07. I'm sorry, but unless you're using an OTA antenna or blu-ray, your tv is only playing at about 80% quality, even on HD channels. If you're still running a CRT TV, which is possible considering HDTVs have only been out for a decade+, then that makes sense.

Also, your characterization of how most films are shot and down-converted is just not accurate. There have been under 50films that were processed in 4k and only a handful were natively shot in that format. Most films are shot on... film. They are then processed into distributed formats from there. There is no stockpile of 4k movies just waiting to be released. If there were, we wouldn't be seeing one 4k tv. Also, If you don't plan on buying a 4k tv larger than 60", I doubt you will notice much difference over Blu0-Ray. And TV content? yeah right. If Blu-Ray is still to "niche" for you and you're going to wait it out until 4k has bigger support base, you better stock up on DVD players because it's going to be a while.

1. yes i do use OTA antenna I get 30 stations from as far away as Chicago and Iowa.
2. my info came from an article in Home Theater 4-5 mo. ago
3. it won't be as long as you think already in the last 4mo. 4K projectors 4 companies are making and selling.
4. your dial up analogy is just well funny ....apples and oranges.
5. I'm running a Panny Plasma 50"
6. yes I do have a CRT HDTV 36" Sony XBR

pitdogg2

http://news.yahoo.com/forget-3d--your-dream-tv-should-be-4k.html

Erik Tracy

Already obsolete!!!

Here comes 8K
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19370582

cnh

Erik Tracy wrote: »

Already obsolete!!!

Here comes 8K
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19370582

Yeah and they will be forced to deliver such content on High Resolution Players only and not over the Air because LARGE portions of the U.S. including mine don't have that kind of bandwidth capacity and may never have it in my lifetime if we keep neglecting upgrades to our infrastructure that are "just" too far from the dense population profit areas (or most of the U.S.?)!

cnh

SDA1C

Upstatemax wrote: »

IIRC Sony has had players that support 4k out for like 6 months now...

I am sure they do projection wise but I am having a hard time finding a player that will support 4k. I am aware of the 4k up scaling but source components haven't yet made it I don't think.

newrival

pitdogg2 wrote: »

1. yes i do use OTA antenna I get 30 stations from as far away as Chicago and Iowa.

Good to hear, OTA quality far exceeds digital cable

pitdogg2 wrote: »

2. my info came from an article in Home Theater 4-5 mo. ago

ok

pitdogg2 wrote: »

3. it won't be as long as you think already in the last 4mo. 4K projectors 4 companies are making and selling.

It may or may not. But history is a good indicator of how quickly emerging technologies are adapted. Especially ones that are upgrades with considerable investment needed to adopt. My point: don't hold your breath

pitdogg2 wrote: »

4. your dial up analogy is just well funny ....apples and oranges.

If it wasn't obvious, it's called hyperbole. At any rate, I would say my analogy was more accurate than yours of apples and oranges.

pitdogg2 wrote: »

5. I'm running a Panny Plasma 50"

ok

pitdogg2 wrote: »

6. yes I do have a CRT HDTV 36" Sony XBR

Interesting. You bought a 720p TV but you're implying that Blu-ray is just a passing fad worth skipping? now THAT is funny.

pitdogg2

newrival wrote: »

Good to hear, OTA quality far exceeds digital cable

It may or may not. But history is a good indicator of how quickly emerging technologies are adapted. Especially ones that are upgrades with considerable investment needed to adopt. My point: don't hold your breath

Interesting. You bought a 720p TV but you're implying that Blu-ray is just a passing fad worth skipping? now THAT is funny.

yes it does but my DishHD is close on NBC,ABC and CBS channels when put side by side.


Not holding my breath but it seems that the manufactures setting themselves up for failure on some technologies I'll use 3D as and example. Most folks had just upgraded TV's and DVD players to BR but yet they expect us to turn around and toss out 3-4yr old items.


Nope A friend gave it to me when he upgraded to 1080p I wanted to get a cheap TV to test out OTA HD before I took the big plunge. My antenna tower (Free again) and my cheap antenna brought in some great pictures so I bought a Channel Master Deep Fringe antenna and all the peripherals. Now that really up the channels I got from 6 to 30 but still it's all local market NBC,ABC,CBS and Fox.

I stood on the sidelines for the BR/HD-DVD I hate format wars just like SACD/DVDaudio which i have quite a bit of both so I really wanted a machine that could handle both. So until OPPO's last player I really didn't feel I missed to much. So I upconverting is not the same but my 3910 really does do a very good job so after spending 1g on that I really couldn't twist to wifes arm to drop another 3G for a new player and receiver(HDMI) for just BR.
It's all good though.

tonyb

cnh wrote: »

Yeah and they will be forced to deliver such content on High Resolution Players only and not over the Air because LARGE portions of the U.S. including mine don't have that kind of bandwidth capacity and may never have it in my lifetime if we keep neglecting upgrades to our infrastructure that are "just" too far from the dense population profit areas (or most of the U.S.?)!

cnh

Well my good man, explain to me why a company should invest dollars into an area with limited to no profit potential. Of course they aren't keen on throwing money outside the more dense populated area's. You wouldn't invest in a hotdog stand out in the middle of a desert, you'd have no customers.

To me anyway, I can agree partialy on infrastructure being neglected for so long, but the coin would be better spent on roads, bridges, electric grids, WATER, or other utility upgrades and border security. Wether or not somebody out in the middle of nowhere can get 4k resolution on a tv would be last on a long list of needed improvements.

ViperZ

pitdogg, as someone already mentioned, keep waiting. When 4K will become 'main-stream' - i.e. affordable and 50%+ movies available in that format, everyone will already be talking about 8K coming out in 3-4 years. So you might as well skip the 4k bandwagon. Btw, how is your VCR doing? Or did you hop onto the 'oh so obsolete' DVD bandwagon?

cnh

tonyb wrote: »

Well my good man, explain to me why a company should invest dollars into an area with limited to no profit potential. Of course they aren't keen on throwing money outside the more dense populated area's. You wouldn't invest in a hotdog stand out in the middle of a desert, you'd have no customers.

To me anyway, I can agree partialy on infrastructure being neglected for so long, but the coin would be better spent on roads, bridges, electric grids, WATER, or other utility upgrades and border security. Wether or not somebody out in the middle of nowhere can get 4k resolution on a tv would be last on a long list of needed improvements.

This is one reason why we actually do have roads and other services throughout the U.S. that are in many ways the "envy" of the world--state and federally funded. You know, the stuff that private enterprise couldn't make a buck off of but the Gov't put into play! They don't have to profit. Breaking even would be OK. There are a lot of places besides the U.S. that have had wonderful infrastructural upgrades by fiat. China is one example. Yeah they're politics are in question. But this is the kind of thing "they" can do overnight! Nothing wrong with a little boost or some incentives to get the profit boys off their crappers! Don't want to rain on the free enterprise parade but that's not all that is available for such things and there is nothing wrong with infrastructural upgrades that are targeted because they raise the standard of living for "everyone" not just those fortunate enough to live in metro areas. Unless we wish to privilege those areas and keep others underdeveloped because of profits alone. Not everything has to be some treatise by economists, and only by economists that we agree with. Look at Stiglitz and Krugman. I suppose those guys are morons because they believe in balance between outright Free Markets and controls and Gov't inputs (Nobel Laureates). And Stiglitz, in particular, argues that a truly free market in a "contextless space" that operates according to abstract Classical Economic theory is a fantasy.

Don't mind me, tony. I see that we actually agree about some infrastructural development by Gov't in a number of your posts, including the one above. Seem to be a little cranky today because I'm having trouble finding the right "words" for something I'm writing. And when you can't be writerly you get BiXXy!

cnh

tonyb

I hear ya bro. I'm talking a companies own money. Public money to raise standards of living is another story. Government can do good things, nobody will argue that point, they just need someone to put things into perspective and have some priority. Of course spending as a percentage of GDP comes into play too.

Don't fret over being cranky pal, just a sign you getting older.:biggrin:

Might be time for some testosterone supplements.:cheesygrin::cheesygrin:

tophatjohnny

That's going to be spendy 4 sure. I just got the LG 55 smart tv and we love it!! 3D is awesome

Sherardp

I have to buy the latest and greatest.......preordered.

badchad

newrival wrote: »

Also, If you don't plan on buying a 4k tv larger than 60", I doubt you will notice much difference over Blu0-Ray. And TV content? yeah right. If Blu-Ray is still to "niche" for you and you're going to wait it out until 4k has bigger support base, you better stock up on DVD players because it's going to be a while.

This. Unfortunately, the people that will benefit most from 4k are those with 60"+ sets. That right there will probably limit the market for these sets.

With the current price and limited market, I think we're years away from a massive shift to 4k.

F1nut

4k isn't going to fly because....

There is just one problem, of course: storage. There is no media suitable for storing 4K films just yet. Normal Blu-ray discs aren't designed for the new format. In Berlin, most tech companies demonstrated their sets with slow-motion landscape videos.

mrbigbluelight

Still waiting for them to come out with OA set-top antennas that don't require Reynolds aluminum foil. ARE (Advanced Rabbit Ears) technology is coming out soon from what I've been told.

tonyb

F1nut wrote: »

4k isn't going to fly because....

It will fly Jess....briefly. Just enough to get everyone to change out all their movies on blu-ray to some 4k media that will come out. Another round of buying all new gear, then the 8k sets will come out and render it all obsolete again.....and the cycle continues.

Strong Bad

Give it time, it'll happen. Technology will continue to move forward. So much emphasis is being put on streaming content that currently it would be the only viable solution to getting the 4k content to the TV. Look at the massive data farms from the likes of Apple, Google, Amazon, etc...it's all cloud based technology designed to stream to your desktop.

People bitched when their VHS library was made obsolete by DVD. Then Blu Ray came along. 4k with streaming content could say goodbye to physical media.