Removing Vinyl Veneer

kidglove13

As you know from my other thread I pick up a decent pair of 7's.

In order for me to repair the outside of the cabs the veneer needs to be removed

I have a decent heat gun, will that work to remove the veneer?

What would be the best way to get that stuff off?

Thanks

F1nut

Veneer and vinyl are two very different things, which do you have?

kidglove13

How about this
They are veneered with vinyl just as any old polk monitor 7 is or most old polks for that matter
There is such a thing as vinyl veneer, I guess everyone views it differently

I am just looking for the best procedure to remove the vinyl is all.

Thank you

F1nut

Veneer - wood
Vinyl - laminate

kidglove13

Really?

Does it need to go down this road

We are splitting hairs now

All I asked was a simple question, like the title says

What is the best way to remove the vinyl?

Thanks

littlewoodboats

kidglove13 wrote: »

Really?

Does it need to go down this road

We are splitting hairs now

All I asked was a simple question, like the title says

What is the best way to remove the vinyl?

Thanks

He is not spitting hairs. Had you lurked a bit you would have found a thread about a vinyl removal that turned out to be veneer.

Is it vinyl or a veneer?

TNHNDYMAN

I hesitated being a smartass earlier and bit my tongue, but now whatever. You have vinyl fake woodgrain Monitor 7's great. All F1 wanted was a terminology check. Veneer = wood it's real simple. You have a heat gun already so apparently you seem to have half a clue. Do some research and get the other half instead of needing someone to hold your hand and make you feel like a big boy while you complete this important project.

You have under 100 posts and want to be a **** to a man who has contributed more on this board over the years than you have any concept of. The point is if you are asking for help don't respond to an inquiry as a know it all sob.

If the heatgun doesn't work out for you, try a toothpick sprinkled with magical pixie dust and maybe you'll have better luck.

TNHNDYMAN

Waiting for the kidgloves to come off :rolleyes:

kidglove13

I was not being a **** nor was it my intention

I was not acting like a know it all either, because I do not know it all that is why I asked the question.

I do not need someone to hold my hand, all I wanted was an opinion from people who would know more about than I do.

I did not insult anyone by calling them names, if that is how you want to treat it that is your choice.

I dont think you need to come in here and treat me like this because of this.

I am on other forums where I have been a member for a long time with high post counts and I do not treat newcomers like this, regardless if I think they "might" be coming across as a SOB

My response was more of tongue and cheek than anything, but that really cannot be conveyed over the net.

I did do a search on vinyl removal and found some things about it.

I was just merely asking what would be the best way to remove the vinyl and it is not a veneer.

Thanks

aloutah

Welcome to Club Polk Kidglove13! Cant you feel the love?

littlewoodboats

It is all good. I was not trying to be a dick either. If it is vinyl then laying the speaker down with the top the the right hold your heat gun in your right hand. Warm the vinyl to reactivate the adhesive and lift gently.

kidglove13

I know its all good.

Thanks for the tips.

This place is not bad, I get the whole newb thing

If you are into off roading go Pirate4x4 forum, if you are newb over there you need really thick skin, they are really harsh to say the least, very tough crowd

F1nut

kidglove13 wrote: »

How about this
They are veneered with vinyl just as any old polk monitor 7 is or most old polks for that matter

Polk sold most of their vintage speakers with your choice of wood veneer or vinyl laminate. Hence my questions as to which you actually have. I did this to save both of us from doing a dance we didn't need to do. Next time, give a straight answer when someone is trying to help you.

F1nut

aloutah wrote: »

Welcome to Club Polk Kidglove13! Cant you feel the love?

If one can't feel the love here, the problem is their own.

11tsteve

F1nut wrote: »

If one can't feel the love here, the problem is their own.

i have been on plenty of forums, and the worst thing a person can do is to make a lack of communication a one way street.
i love this place and mostly lurk because of lack of audio experience compared to how you folks roll gear, but i have received great help, good recommendations, and every piece of advice has only improved the quality of my set-up. plus i have nothing but deep respect for 25,000 posts and vast knowledge, but it would have been just as easy for you to couch your answer in a friendlier manner. you could have easily explained that Polk offered the two options, that you needed to be clear on whether he had wood or vinyl before offering advice, instead of waiting until after a semantic argument on the nature of veneer. which, if you look it up, by the dictionary, a veneer is not specified by being wood, but any decorative material which is used to cover a lesser-grade substance. yeah, i am a carpenter, so i know what you are getting at, but in the vernacular, veneer can be generic, plus he specified vinyl anyways.
i only say this because this thread caught my eye as it will be a step i want to take with my 11T's and so it is of interest, added to the searching i have done on the forums.

F1nut

I'm done offering help here.

kidglove13

thanks for the help:razz:

doug76

OK, I'm new here too, but not new to speaker system building or to other forums, and I always try to be helpful without the snarkiness. Sometimes people don't exactly know how to phrase what it is they are seeking to know, and it costs no one a damn thing to be kind and patient.
With that said, yes, a heat gun is the best way to lift vinyl "veneer" from the enclosure. I use the term veneer because it is also my understanding that the term refers to a covering over another substance more than it delineates what the covering is.
Hope this was a help, and good luck in your attempt.

F1nut

I use the term veneer because it is also my understanding that the term refers to a covering over another substance more than it delineates what the covering is.

So, do you call wallpaper, veneer? How about paint or lacquer?

11tsteve

F1nut wrote: »

So, do you call wallpaper, veneer? How about paint or lacquer?

no. Those are wall coverings and lacquer is a protective covering.
If you put thin wood on a wall, it is not veneer. It is paneling or wainscot depending on the application.

doctor r

Did anyone notice the 25,000 plus posts that F1 has? Those are from helping people over many years. Wood and wood finishes is something he has forgotten more about than most of us ever learned. Get off your "bent out of shape" postings and open you mind a little and maybe your questions will be well answered.

11tsteve

I'm nor personally bent out of shape whatsoever. Just saying.

gdb

Here are a couple definitions that I feel are entirely relevant to this thread :

Veneer

1.-A deceptive, superficial show; a fa?ade: a veneer of friendliness. hmmmmm. Applicable ? I'd say yes.

2.-To overlay (a surface) with a thin layer of a fine or decorative material.

3.- For the F1 award...... To conceal, as something common or crude, with a deceptively attractive outward show!:cheesygrin:

Are dental veneers made exclusively of wood also ? :eek:

gdb

More "clarification":

lam?i?nate (lm-nt)
v. lam?i?nat?ed, lam?i?nat?ing, lam?i?nates
v.tr.
1. To beat or compress into a thin plate or sheet.
2. To divide into thin layers.
3. To make by uniting several layers.
4. To cover with thin sheets. Hmmmmm.

F1nut

The definition of a worthless troll:

gdb

gdb

That's all ya got....... with all that egg on yer face ?? tsk tsk tsk

kidglove13

Wow

This went to hell in a hand basket rather quickly

And to think all over the use of the word "veneer"

Who would have thought:eek:

westmassguy

I have to agree with F1nut. Having been involved in cabinetry in general, and speaker cabinets in particular for many years. The Term Veneer is always used to describe a real wood product, whether natural unbacked, or any of the newer paper and phenolic backed products. Laminate, or Vinyl Laminate always refers to either flexible wood grained vinyl, as used by Polk and many others, or ridged vinyl such as Formica and Wilsonart. I've used all three types, for customers and my own projects.

aloutah

So I ran across a thread from 2006, where the same question came up from a new member. The thread was titled "stripping the VINYL VENEER off monitor 10's" . Its a very straightforward response to the same question asked in this thread. People actually offering advice instead of starting a petty semantic dispute.


http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?47178-Stripping-the-vinyl-veneer-off-monitor-10-s

nspindel

And if you read that thread really closely, you'll see that the person offering that advice was the same person as on this thread.

aloutah

nspindel wrote: »

And if you read that thread really closely, you'll see that the person offering that advice was the same person as on this thread.

Ah ha, very observant. You mean the person who refused to give advice here and instead started a petty semantic dispute. Is that who you are referring to?