More than 60 injured or killed at Colorado Batman premire

gp4jesus

mantis wrote: »

He does not deserve a lawyer , a court date or spend a single moment in jail...

If the punishment is severe enough I believe people will think twice about their actions.

+1^1000^1000!

Forgive me while I get political. The left will have more than 1^1000^1000 excuses to say that kind of thinking is hate speach, a hate crime... ...that is until they have to walk the same road.

Shalom to all, Tony

gp4jesus

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

The world is no more messed up or "fallen" now than it was 2000 years ago. The only difference is that now information travels much faster and news coverage is 24/7.

There have always been crazy people, there will always be crazy people, simple as that.

+1

Cain was the first 6000 years ago.

tonyb

gp4jesus wrote: »

+1

Cain was the first 6000 years ago.

If you believe man has only been around for that long....but we know that to not be true. I suspect man has been murdering for alot longer than that. What makes one snap and do such things ?......beats me. Same could be said for a history of mass murderers. I guess if you looked at people like a mass produced widget, your gonna get a few rotten apples in the bunch no matter what.

Risking the political side of this, I often wonder if some of this craziness is the result of some pushing our young folks to rise up and retaliate, to tear down society. Not that thats any sort of new idea, been around for generations, but with todays information flow it's very easy to incite. Pushing our youth, even adults, to use violence to bring about change. Can't remember a time since the 60's that the will to incite has been so strong and come from so many different directions. The only change I see happening is moving from a free society to a more police state.

Face

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

The world is no more messed up or "fallen" now than it was 2000 years ago. The only difference is that now information travels much faster and news coverage is 24/7.

There have always been crazy people, there will always be crazy people, simple as that.

I'm glad there's someone else here with common sense.

kevhed72

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

The world is no more messed up or "fallen" now than it was 2000 years ago. The only difference is that now information travels much faster and news coverage is 24/7.

There have always been crazy people, there will always be crazy people, simple as that.

Damn straight. I just spent 3 nights camping with the scouts in tents down here in GA. I felt like I was in Cambodia, but it was great. Some jack-wagon Dad - the type who can't unplug and turn off the cell phone and has to check the news every 5 min. even on his son's camping trip - felt it his duty to bring this story up at lunch in the dining hall. Unplug and turn-off the TV people...there are a lot cooler things to do in life...

tonyb

kevhed72 wrote: »

Unplug and turn-off the TV people...there are a lot cooler things to do in life...

Amen to that bro.

Ya know, in the winter is when I do most my TV watching and I've noticed because of that I get grumpy, depressed at the local news I hear every day. In the summer, very little TV is watched, I'm out and about doing other things that make me happy. In return I'm more cheerful, more tolerant, less of a d**k so to speak......don't agree to that either you guys.:biggrin:

Everything it seems on the tube is bad news, it definately plays on your disposition if you let it.

bmbguy

kevhed72 wrote: »

Unplug and turn-off the TV people...there are a lot cooler things to do in life...

Kinda reminds me -- we were hiking down to Phantom Ranch in the Grand Canyon on 9/11. Missed the whole thing. And heard some pretty unbelievable stories once we got down there...

Jetmaker737

gp4jesus wrote: »

+1^1000^1000!

The left will have more than 1^1000^1000 excuses to say that kind of thinking is hate speach, a hate crime... ...that is until they have to walk the same road.

By "the left" you mean the guys that wrote the constitution?

nooshinjohn

Jetmaker737 wrote: »

By "the left" you mean the guys that wrote the constitution?

Our founders were neither left OR right. They were free-thinkers that in many ways, could barely agree on how to get out of bed in the morning, much less govern a country. That the Constitution came from the minds of these great men was a result of being able to put differences aside and do what was right can only be something called "divine provenance".

20hz

He could have motion sensors, trip wires, switches on the floor that close when the carpet is stepped on , would you want to go in that window ?
my prayers go to all that had to suffer !

dudeinaroom wrote: »

The police used a camera to look in the windows and saw the explosive devices. Said they would have to set it off and have the fire department extinguish the blaze before they could look for evidence. It was supposed to be a decoy so he would have more time to do his deed. I don't see why they could not enter through the window to disarm it, seeing as it was rigged to the door?

Strong Bad

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

The world is no more messed up or "fallen" now than it was 2000 years ago. The only difference is that now information travels much faster and news coverage is 24/7.

There have always been crazy people, there will always be crazy people, simple as that.

Exactly!

Polkie2009

Our founders believed in Judeo-Christian values. The agenda of the liberal left in America is to remove these values.

Face

Do you consider those who disagreed with the church's "Witch Hunts" Liberals too?

txcoastal1

Come on Laz you know you are the going in the wrong direction for forum rules

tonyb

Lasareath wrote: »

Another reason why firearms should be accessible to only law enforcement and the military. I know Americans need their guns and I'm thinking like a North Easterner but just think about all these shooting that could have been prevented if these people could not buy guns or ammo.

So much wrong with that statement Laz. I know thats the conveinant way of thinking, but only the military and law enforcement ? Noo....none of them ever go off the deep end.

A firearm is a tool, as good or bad as the person using it. God knows man has been killing each other long before it's invention. Imagine history if they took away, outlawed, bows and arrows, swords.....and only government could use them. Talk about even greater surpression.

Besides, we also know how well it works when you make things illegal. Booze....drugs, guns....even downloaded music and movies. People find a way to get them, and in the end, in the case of firearms, only the bad people will have them and crime goes up. Just look at stats between right to carry states and those looking to make them illegal all together.

halo71

Lasareath wrote: »

Another reason why firearms should be accessible to only law enforcement and the military. I know Americans need their guns and I'm thinking like a North Easterner but just think about all these shooting that could have been prevented if these people could not buy guns or ammo.

I know this thread is headed for a closing. But this statement is ridiculous. Do you really think it would be possible to keep guns out of people's reach IF they were illegal?

wayne3burk

halo71 wrote: »

I know this thread is headed for a closing. But this statement is ridiculous. Do you really think it would be possible to keep guns out of people's reach IF they were illegal?

I know that we have a wild west culture history, and I don't know the history of gun control in this country and when / where or why people stopped wearing revolvers in holsters on their hips. But that said, I do not know why anyone needs a weapon clearly designed for combat, with a 100 round magazine.

If you take the view that the second amendment guarantees that citizens have the right to own and bear arms, in order to provide for a well regulated militia, then this individual should have joined the Colorado National Guard, and been issued an M-16.

From Wikipedia - the 2 versions of the Second Amendment:

As passed by the Congress:

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[8]

An individual in our society owning, possessing, adding a 100 round magazine to an assault rifle is a recipe for disaster. You may argue that a warped individual would be able to find a way (in this country) to obtain this weapon regardless of the law, but it damn sure would be more difficult than it was for this guy in this instance.

And yes he could have strapped on a bomb to his chest and done as much damage with a suicide bomb.

But my final point is, is: if you had lost a son or a daughter in that movie theatre, and your'e still a staunch supporter of people having the "right" to own and bear an assault rifle with a 100 round magazine, then you are plain crazy.

and my other final point is, is: if we are going to continue to allow people to own and bear assault rifles, we should get so deep in that persons business for as long as they own that assault rifle that they might think twice about the need or desire to possess such a weapon of mass murder.

my two cents worth.

wayne

halo71

I am not going to debate it. It's like arguing over speaker cables. It is pointless. But to think that only law enforcement and military should have access to guns is "plain crazy". Last year a Ft. Gordon soldier here locally, who was (I believe if memory serves me) high on meth when he opened fire on a officer with an automatic weapon. The officer stopped to help what he thought was a disabled motorist! He was dead before he stepped off his motorcycle. Drugs are illegal too but that won't stop people from getting them either.

we should get so deep in that persons business for as long as they own that assault rifle that they might think twice about the need or desire to possess such a weapon of mass murder.

That is just plain ridiculous to think that would be a feasible thing to do. I work in law enforcement. I do back ground checks on people, criminal histories, drivers histories etc. for investigations. Many times peoples records come back clean, no arrests etc. That does not mean they will never commit a crime using a gun! What you are implying would be like me saying we should do the same thing for people that apply for a drivers license. Because they just may one day lose their mind and drive into a crowd of people and kill someone. And police and law enforcement should only have access to cars.

wayne3burk

so you really think that people need to own assault rifles? what if it was someone in your family was shot by an idiot with a weapon that is purely designed for a combat situation where you can kill the maximum number of people in the shortest amount of time?

really?

and you're in a law enforcement?

you want to arm normal citizens with weapons that can kill or injure 60 people in less than a minute?

I find that hard to believe

p.s. your analogy of driving a car to owning an assault rifle is ridiculous. People need cars to conduct their every day business and lives. Absolutely no one, and I repeat NO ONE needs an assault rifle. No one. No one needs an assault rifle.

get it?

nooshinjohn

If you want to own an M-60 to go deer hunting or for target pratice, so be it and God Bless the USA for having at our foundation, laws that protect those rights. That said, if you want real gun control laws, how about dealing with the felon, and not the gun?

25 to life for simply carrying a firearm when committing a felony, life without parole for injuring someone when committing a felony with a gun, and death for killing someone with a firearm during the commission of a felony. These sentences should be mandatory, federally enforced, and the death part should happen within 90 days of the sentence being handed down....

That is how you put an end to gun crime. make the punishment so severe that even a crazy person would stop and think three times before committing such acts.

maximillian

Guns aren't a topic for discussion for an audio forum. So this thread will get closed soon, I'm sure. So my 2 cents... as wayne3burk mentioned, there are a myriad of ways this deranged person could have executed his plan. It's estimated that half of US households have a gun, and there are somewhere between 200-250 million guns in the US. If guns are the problem, then we should see this occurring way more often.

He had bomb material in his apartment. No gun was really needed to kill that many people. He was obsessed with the Joker persona. So if we really want to debate gun control, then we should also open the discussion of why this type of person even exists, and what allows his deranged thoughts to foster. IMO, violence in America is romanticized. It's what sells the most in the news, movies, video games, and kids toys. Politicians will never touch the issue and will only talk about gun control.

That said, I am a strong supporter of all our bill of rights. I really don't want to see Hollywood regulated for movies like Batman (other than the industry regulated moving rating system), and I don't want my right to own a gun violated either.

halo71

I wish to arm nobody. Never said I did. No matter what you do you will not keep people from attaining guns. Be it a single shot .22 or AK47. Just like drugs or alcohol. Define "normal" citizens. Anyone is prone to go nuts and shoot people.

As I said I am sure this thread is headed for closing. I am done.

nooshinjohn

wayne3burk wrote: »

p.s. your analogy of driving a car to owning an assault rifle is ridiculous. People need cars to conduct their every day business and lives. Absolutely no one, and I repeat NO ONE needs an assault rifle. No one. No one needs an assault rifle.

get it?

Yes... we do. Why is it that the United States has not fought a shooting war against a foreign power on our own soil since 1812... it is precicely because any potential enemy knows that we as a people are armed to the teeth. Japan had designs on occupation of Hawaii and using that as a staging ground for an advance on the U.S. west coast. Such plans never came to be only because of the Second Amendment and the fact that we could have any type of gun we wanted. Invading the US was just to damn dangerous, and that is the way it should be.

wayne3burk

a crazy person doesn't care about the penalty - a person who commits a crime of passion doesn't care about the penalty. If you want to do target practice use a 30-30. If you want to use an assault rifle then go to a gun club and rent-a-gun.

Just explain to me who needs an assault rifle with a 100 round magazine?

Really. to what end? to protect yourself against zombies? to protect yourself against the ATF? are you a member of the Montana Militia Men?

I don't think the founding fathers had this kind of violence in mind when they guarenteed the right of crazy people to commit mass murder with automatic weapons designed solely for combat.

And don't tell me it's legal to hunt deer with assault rifles with 100 round magazines. I find that hard to believe.

I still don't see how you can be for just anyone buying an assault rifle and purchasing 100 round magazines and 6000 rounds. It defies all logic.

I'll tell you the truth - I'm scared to death of anyone would even own one of these weapons of mass murder.

halo71

get it?

Yeah I do, you just don't. My analogy was that people could use a car to kill someone. How should we guard against that? People can and do snap and can use many things to accomplish their goal of killing. Like Max said, this guy was obsessed with the joker persona. Should we stop making movies that influence people? Years ago Heavy Metal music was the blame? Guess we should all just live in a box?

Ok, now I am done. lol

exalted512

Actually, assault rifles are extremely regulated in most states.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis
-Cody

nooshinjohn

BTW.... is the Polk Army site gone for good?

sucks2beme

tonyb wrote: »

If you believe man has only been around for that long....but we know that to not be true. I suspect man has been murdering for alot longer than that. What makes one snap and do such things ?......beats me. Same could be said for a history of mass murderers. I guess if you looked at people like a mass produced widget, your gonna get a few rotten apples in the bunch no matter what.

There's never been a shortage of whacks. A quick look of history shows them to be pretty common.
And killed without any remorse. Gangs have been killing people for greed in America for 150 years.
No, it's always been common in the world. We just haven't seen as much here in the U.S.A.

DMara

Smallies wrote: »

Perhaps this mural inspired the gasmask
http://www.google.com/search?q=denver+airport+murals&hl=en&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=QTMNUMKJBcPv0gHC4sHWAw&ved=0CDoQ_AUoAQ&biw=853&bih=606
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Nope, this is more of a Rampage imitation.

dkg999

The issue is what drove him to feel the need to commit the act(s) of violence. We fail to deal with that time after time and instead focus on the easier feel-good issues of "let's ban guns because they are bad". If he could not of gathered the guns as tools then obviously he had the ability and knowledge to make bombs. What would the carnage of been had he tossed a couple of 20lb propane cylinders covered with shrapnel into the theater?

So if we are going to ban guns as a result of this type of scenario then let's also ban violent movies such as the Batman series, and violent video games. Those two had just as much of a role in this scenario happening as the guns. And the latter two have lesser constitutional protections.