Pro-Ject Debut Carbon

wingnut4772
wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
edited July 2012 in 2 Channel Audio
I am expecting this to arrive next Friday. Excited to get back into vinyl.

Some of the albums I bought a few years ago are worth some bank! Holy cow! I am glad I kept them.
Gonna run it with a Cambridge Audio 640P phono stage through an input on the Integra via 'Direct". Thank goodness for that Direct feature. I can really enjoy my music again. :mrgreen:
Sharp Elite 70
Anthem D2V 3D
Parasound 5250
Parasound HCA 1000 A
Parasound HCA 1000
Oppo BDP 95
Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
Totem Mask Surrounds X4
Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
Sony PS3
Squeezebox Touch

Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
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  • xsmi
    xsmi Posts: 1,798
    edited June 2012
    That's a REALLY nice table! very smooth and the speed is accurate for such a low cost set-up! You are so lucky!
    2-channelBelles 22A Pre, Emotiva XPA-2 Gen 2, Marantz SA8005, Pro-Ject RPM-10 Turntable, Pro-Ject Phono Box DS3B, Polk Audio Legend L800's, AudioQuest Cable throughout.
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  • Dawgfish
    Dawgfish Posts: 2,554
    edited June 2012
    I had a Project 1.2 turntable at one time and it sounded really good. Congrats on the new toy and welcome back to the slippery slope of vinyl! ;-)
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited June 2012
    Dead Sexy ! (as the Brits would say) Enjoy it !!:smile:
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited June 2012
    It really is a slippery slope. I'm gonna try not to get too OCD.
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
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  • Upstatemax
    Upstatemax Posts: 2,670
    edited June 2012
    Very nice! I'm still VERY tempted to buy one of these to replace my Thorens...

    I'm interested in your thoughts on the new TT.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited June 2012
    Very cool!
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited June 2012
    wingnut4772 wrote: »
    It really is a slippery slope. I'm gonna try not to get too OCD.

    Sorry, but OCD goes with vinyl :lol: That's one reason I gave up on it years ago.

    But. . . . . . . I just pulled out my old Denon DD TT with Infinity Black Widow arm and Shure V15 Type V cartridge :cheesygrin:

    I'm standing on the surface peering down the rabbit hole - I think I'm in trouble!
    "Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited June 2012
    Nice table!
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • TNHNDYMAN
    TNHNDYMAN Posts: 2,145
    edited June 2012
    Sweet setup wingnut- table looks great and am interested in your impression of the CA phono stage compared to anything else you may have avail or tried in the past.
    2-ch System: Parasound P/LD 2000 pre, Parasound HCA-1000 amp, Parasound T/DQ Tuner, Phase Technology PC-100 Tower speakers, Technics SL-1600 Turntable, Denon 2910 SACD/CD player, Peachtree DAC iT and X1asynchorus USB converter, HSU VTF-3 subwoofer.

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  • xsmi
    xsmi Posts: 1,798
    edited June 2012
    drumminman wrote:

    But. . . . . . . I just pulled out my old Denon DD TT with Infinity Black Widow arm and Shure V15 Type V cartridge :cheesygrin:

    I'm standing on the surface peering down the rabbit hole - I think I'm in trouble!

    Yes you are...
    2-channelBelles 22A Pre, Emotiva XPA-2 Gen 2, Marantz SA8005, Pro-Ject RPM-10 Turntable, Pro-Ject Phono Box DS3B, Polk Audio Legend L800's, AudioQuest Cable throughout.
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  • newbie308
    newbie308 Posts: 767
    edited June 2012
    Nice! I was considering this same TT as an upgrade to my SL1200. Which color did you go with? They are a fantastic deal with the acrylic platter and they include a darn good cartridge for their reasonable asking price! Hope to hear a review soon!
    Sources: Technics SL1200MKII | SME3009 Tonearm | Monster Alpha 1 MC cartridge | Oppo UDP203 disk player | Nikko NT-790 analog tuner | Musical Fidelity Trivista 21 DAC | Preamp: Threshold SL-10 | Amplifier: Threshold Stasis 2 | Speakers: Snell Acoustics C/V | Kimber 12-TC bi wire speakers | Analysis plus Oval 1 preamp to amp | Wireworld Eclipse 7 DAC to Preamp | Wireworld eclipse digital IC Oppo to DAC | Audioquest Quartz tuner to preamp |
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  • Dawgfish
    Dawgfish Posts: 2,554
    edited June 2012
    newbie308 wrote: »
    Nice! I was considering this same TT as an upgrade to my SL1200. Which color did you go with? They are a fantastic deal with the acrylic platter and they include a darn good cartridge for their reasonable asking price! Hope to hear a review soon!

    I don't think this would really be an upgrade to the SL-1200. I'm not knocking the Project, I'm giving the SL-1200 the credit it deserves. Like I mentioned earlier, I used to own a Project 1.2 which is very similiar to the Debut Carbon and I had a Herbies mat, Clear Audio Twister Clamp, and Ortofon OM-30 cartridge on it. It was a very good sounding table, but I like the SL-1200 Mk2 table I have now much better. Of course I've done a lot of mods to the 1200 and that's the point I'm getting at, I would take the money you were going to spend on the table and do some mods/cartridge upgrades on the 1200. I think you'll like what you hear.
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited June 2012
    I got black. The only other Pre I have heard is the Dynavector P75. The Integra actually has a phono input. I'll see how it does as well.
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,499
    edited June 2012
    Nice table Darla! I like it in Black.
    Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 *
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  • hochpt21
    hochpt21 Posts: 5,423
    edited June 2012
    That is sharp! I like my pro-ject and I hope you'll like yours.
    2 ChannelTurntable - VPI Classic 2/Ortofon 2M BlueAmplification - Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II, Parks Audio Budgie PhonoSpeakers - GoldenEar Triton 17.2 Home TheaterDenon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Klipsch RP-280F's, Klipsch RP-450C, Polk FXi3's, Polk RC60i; Dual SVS PB 2000's; BenQ HT2050; Elite Screens 120"Man CaveTurntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado GoldAmplification - Dared SL2000a, McCormack DNA 0.5 DeluxeCD: Cambridge AudioSpeakers - Wharfedale Linton 85th Anniversary; LSiM 703; SDA 2A
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited July 2012
    I might not be testing the phono stage on the Integra. I'm getting an Anthem D2v and I'm not su I wanna hook it all up twice. I may not be able to hold back though :)
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
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  • gfong
    gfong Posts: 1,079
    edited July 2012
    Looks nice, congrats!
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited July 2012
    The Cambridge Audio 640 P came today. Good thing I got it because the Anthem doesn't have a phono input. The turntable should be here Friday. I'm a little apprehensive about setting it up as I never have before. Do I have to have the pressure gauge thingamabob?
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited July 2012
    Yes and you should have a protractor to set the proper alignment and vtl, etc. Setting up a TT properly is no easy task. It's easy to approximate everything, but performance suffers.

    Good luck

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited July 2012
    Ugh ok. Where can I get those at a reasonable price?
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited July 2012
    I'm pretty sure if your pro-ject isn't already set-up, it will include at least a gauge in it to set cartridge overhang. Setting tracking force can be done without fancy devices--but you should pick up a scale sometime down the road. Just set VTF to the middle range of your cartridges' specs. Are you familiar with "balancing" and setting VTF on a tonearm? You can also for the time being set anti-skating to match VTF, unless your manual specifies otherwise. This will get you up and running.

    Tonearm height, which may or may not be adjustable on your table--is basically adjusting the arm to be parallel with the album surface; normally by adjusting an allen set-screw at the tonearm pivot. This ensures your cartridge stylus tip is riding perfectly level (perpendicular) within the grooves.

    Usually tables of this type have a very simple set-up procedure--don't sweat it. Also, check youtube for any possible setup videos.

    Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MIK9WcSDtU
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • Dawgfish
    Dawgfish Posts: 2,554
    edited July 2012
    While a cartridge preasure guage is recommended to accurately set the tracking force, you can use the weight on your tone arm counter-balance to get you in the ballpark until you can get an actual guage. Also, while you can get pre-made cartridge alignment jigs that do make alignment much easier and quicker, you can also do it the old fashioned way using a number of free alignment protractor/guides that are available on the web. Here are a few:

    http://www.enjoythemusic.com/freestuff.htm
    http://www.vinylengine.com/cartridge-alignment-protractors.shtml
    http://www.soundfountain.com/amb/ttadjust.html

    I find that after printing the cartridge alignment protractors, taping them to either a piece of thin cardboard or construction paper really helps out. Also taping a pencil lead or small drill bit to the front of your cartridge also really helps to align the front of the cartridge with the cartridge alignment marks on the protractor. A small mirror like what comes with a makeup compact will also help set azimuth. It takes a little time, but the quality of sound will make the whole process worth it in the end.
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  • EDUBAG
    EDUBAG Posts: 403
    edited July 2012
    do you guys know how big of an improvement would this table be compared to my pioneer pl100 with shure m97 cartridge? i love the looks of this table but would like either to upgrade mine or the cartridge whichever will give me the better audio advancement.

    thanks, sorry for the threadjack and very very cool table OP.

    Eduardo
    HT:
    POLK AUDIO RTI4 FRONTS
    CSI3 CENTER
    DEF TECH PROMONITOR800 SURROUNDS
    PSW 125 SUB
    PIONEER ELITE AVR23TXH AVR
    APPLE TV 160GB
    PANASONIC BLURAY PLAYER
    50" PANASONIC PLASMA TCP50C2

    2 CHANNEL:
    KEF R300 THREE WAY BOOKSHELF GLOSS PIANO BLACK
    ROTEL RC 990BX PRE
    ROTEL RB 990BX AMP
    OPPO DV980 (AS CD PLAYER)
    PIONEER PL100 TURNTABLE WITH SHURE MX97E CART
    MIT EXP2 SPEAKER CABLES
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited July 2012
    Didn't mean to scare you Darla, as Steve said the more basic tables don't have too much to set-up if you follow what he said you should be close enough to enjoy it.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited July 2012
    All you need:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005KR15HU/ref=wms_ohs_product

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006I5SD/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i01
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited July 2012
    Thanks. I emailed Pro-ject and they said it pretty much comes with everything that I need to get going. The cart is already set up.
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited July 2012
    Got it today. It's all set up and sounds great. Some pops and clicks though. I need some brushes. I thought I had all my old ones but can't find them. There was an adjustment screw for azimuth but hell if I could tell. It looked O.K. to me so I just left it alone. Maybe there's something more precise for that?

    I have it running through the Cambridge right now since the D2 won't have a phono stage. I forgot how mush I really like vinyl - except for those damn pops.
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited July 2012
    Just for the hell of it I tried the Phono input on the Integra. The Cambridge blows it away. I figured a pre would be inferior but it was an embarrassment to the Integra. I'm glad I had the foresight to get it. Now I need to get something to clean these damn things lol.
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited July 2012
    Cambridge does make a nice phono pre for the money.

    As for cleaning your vinyl:

    http://www.amazon.com/Spin-Clean-SYSTEM-Record-Washer-MKII/dp/B002UKSZUU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341613617&sr=8-1&keywords=spin+clean

    http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-LP-record-clean-brush/dp/B0006VMBHI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1341613641&sr=8-2&keywords=carbon+record+brush

    And pick up some extra microfibre cloths as the ones supplied become saturated quickly.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • Dawgfish
    Dawgfish Posts: 2,554
    edited July 2012
    Congrats on the new deck! I use one of these to clean my vinyl with good success:

    http://www.spincleanrecordwasher.com/

    I also bought a cheap wet-dry shop vac from Home Depot and rubber band a clean microfiber cloth over the end of the extension hose nozzle and vacuum off the cleaning fluids after running my vinyl a few times around with the Spin Clean. It works really well. It's the same concept as using one of those expensive record cleaning machines, only it takes a little more effort. The improved sound is worth the effort. I also use those plastic dent pullers you can get from Advance or AutoZone to put over the record label when cleaning and vacuuming. I put one on each side. It makes a convient handle to hold the records while doing this and keeps the labels high and dry.

    I know you said you didn't want to get OCD about vinyl, but..........An Ortofon OM-30 cartridge sounds great on that deck.
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