SDA lineage?

soundfreak1
soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
edited June 2012 in Vintage Speakers
Is there any maybe " family tree" on the sda series? Ie: model by model, years made, drivers, tweets, ect...and photo's . Would like to learn more about the diff. Types.
Main Rig:
Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
MIT exp 1 ic's
Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
AQ kingcobra ic's
OPPO 83 CDP
Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
ADS L1590/2 Biamped
MIT exps2 speaker cable
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  • gimpod
    gimpod Posts: 1,793
    edited June 2012
    I'm working on that but keep in mind that as far as I've been able to find out Polk made up to 28 different models of SDA's including the transitional models across 5 generations.

    9 of the SDA SRS models.
    3 of the SDA CRS+ models.
    2 of the SDA CRS models.
    5 of the SDA 2 models (6 if there is a SDA 2B Studio).
    8 of the SDA 1 models.
    “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” ~ Mark Twain
  • vstarkwell
    vstarkwell Posts: 328
    edited June 2012
    I found this somewhere along the line here, hopefully this helps a bit.

    Vintage Polk Audio.pdf
    Monitor 7C's With Tubes
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited June 2012
    Gimpod. The reason u noted is the same reason i need to see one. LoL. There are so many varaibles.
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited June 2012
    Thats a hell of a list vstark, thanks.
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited June 2012
    Finilly heardy first pair of sda's 2a's and they wont replace my rta 12c's by any chance they were nice and left me wanting more. So trying to see which way to shoot for the "mext level" past the 12c's.
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited June 2012
    Thanks cincycat thats some good info. It comming together
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited June 2012
    While I think RTA12c's are nice something must have been wrong with the SDA2a's for you not to think they sounded better. Either that or the SDA effect is not for you.
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited June 2012
    I liked the detail in the rta's. Faster bass, more accrate. The sda's seemed a little distant and less defined. Still very nice but the 2a's just dont out proform the rta's . I see them as equal but diff. I prefer the rta sound.
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited June 2012
    I liked the detail in the rta's. Faster bass, more accrate. The sda's seemed a little distant and less defined. Still very nice but the 2a's just dont out proform the rta's . I see them as equal but diff. I prefer the rta sound.

    My heavily modded 12C's are surprisingly good too. In fact, they have a clarity and spaciousness to their soundstage that are, while not equal, not hugely behind my 2.3 TL's when driven by the same front end.
    "Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited June 2012
    The sda2.3 are a speaker i want to hear! I agree about the soundstage, the only way it could be more open is for me to knock some walls down, it goes from ceiling to floor and wall to wall as it is now.
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited June 2012
    The sda2.3 are a speaker i want to hear! I agree about the soundstage, the only way it could be more open is for me to knock some walls down, it goes from ceiling to floor and wall to wall as it is now.

    Which tweeters did the RD0-194's replace? And have you done Xover, or other mods on your 12C's?

    I've rebuilt the upper and lower Xovers, rewired the internals with OCC Teflon 18 awg, installed some Blackhole on the back wall directly opposite the MW's, either mortited or installed Armaflex on the MW's (can't remember which), and probably a few other things.

    Still have my SL1000 tweeters cause everything sounds so good now. I've thought about upgrading, but don't want to mess with a good thing, and I'm not hearing the harshness others describe.
    "Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited June 2012
    So far just the dynamat and the 0194's ( had sl2000 if i rember correctly. ) but a very big improvment! Just cleaner, ctisper without shrillness. And well improved staging.well worth it. Before spending a crapload of cash in the 12's i must deside weather it smarter to invest the money into a top pair of sda's like the 2.3's or higher. To do the caps in clairty SA caps would cost about 500+ bucks by the time done. So a few more bucks gets a pair of 2.3's ???? "DID U EVER HAVE DESIDE" PICK UP ON ONE AND LET THE OTHER ONE SLIDE?" TO COIN A PHRAISE.
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • Vette C6.r
    Vette C6.r Posts: 1,560
    edited June 2012
    vstarkwell wrote: »
    I found this somewhere along the line here, hopefully this helps a bit.

    Vintage Polk Audio.pdf

    That's a cool guide I have never seen before. I thought I saw them all. Those Model 9's are something I've never seen.

    Thanks for sharing V Star
  • gimpod
    gimpod Posts: 1,793
    edited June 2012
    Here's my attempt,

    SDA Speaker Identification.pdf

    Hope this helps.
    “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” ~ Mark Twain
  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,328
    edited June 2012
    Damn Gimpod

    ...I don't own SDA's but when people chime in I always google to see what they are talking about

    ....Awesome job
    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC

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  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,414
    edited June 2012
    Excelent info gimpod
    Main Rig:
    Krell KAV 250a biamped to mid/highs
    Parasound HCA1500A biamped to lows
    Nakamichi EC100 Active xover
    MIT exp 1 ic's
    Perreaux SA33 class A preamp
    AQ kingcobra ic's
    OPPO 83 CDP
    Lehmann audio black cube SE phono pre, Audioquest phono wire (ITA1/1)
    Denon DP-1200 TT. AToc9ML MC cart.
    Monster HTS 3600 power conditioner
    ADS L1590/2 Biamped
    MIT exps2 speaker cable
  • TennMan
    TennMan Posts: 1,266
    edited June 2012
    Excellent work gimpod! I've always wanted to see a list like that. If you ever decide to do an update, cabinet dimensions would be a nice addition to the specs you already have. Thanks for taking the time to do all that work!
    • SDA 2BTL · Sonicaps · Mills resistors · RDO-198s · New gaskets · H-nuts · Erse inductors · BH5 · Dynamat
    • Crossover upgrades by westmassguy
    • Marantz 1504 AVR (front speaker pre-outs to Adcom 555)
    • Adcom GFA-555 amp · Upgrades & speaker protection added by OldmanSRS
    • Pioneer DV-610AV DVD/CD player
    • SDA CRS+ · Hidden away in the closet
  • cincycat13
    cincycat13 Posts: 887
    edited June 2012
    Gimpod. Great work! You may want to check the text description by the sda 2.3 picture. It looks like it states 1.2.
  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited June 2012
    gimpod wrote: »
    Here's my attempt,

    SDA Speaker Identification.pdf

    Hope this helps.

    very nice!

    ... your 2.3 is marked as a 1.2.:wink:
    2-Channel: PC > Schiit Eitr > Audio Research DAC-8 > Audio Research LS-26 > Pass Labs X-250.5 > Magnepan 3.7's

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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited June 2012
    I liked the detail in the rta's. Faster bass, more accrate. The sda's seemed a little distant and less defined. Still very nice but the 2a's just dont out proform the rta's . I see them as equal but diff. I prefer the rta sound.

    I like the RTA-12's a lot. When positioned correctly, with a nice toe-in, they get a locked-on, pin-point center image that SDA's can't touch.

    Having said that, I definitely prefer the sound of the SDA-2B's over the RTA-12C's, and even more so when I moved to the SDA-1C's.
    2-Channel: PC > Schiit Eitr > Audio Research DAC-8 > Audio Research LS-26 > Pass Labs X-250.5 > Magnepan 3.7's

    Living Room: PC > Marantz AV-7703 > Emotiva XPA-5 > Sonus Faber Liuto Towers, Sonus Faber Liuto Center, Sonus Faber Liuto Bookshelves > Dual SVS PC12-Pluses

    Office: Phone/Tablet > AudioEngine B1 > McIntosh D100 > Bryston 4B-ST > Polk Audio LSiM-703's
  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited June 2012
    gimpod wrote: »
    Here's my attempt,

    SDA Speaker Identification.pdf

    Hope this helps.

    Impressive! Nice work Tony.
    "Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited June 2012
    While I agree pinpoint accuracy is there with the RTA's I still prefer the air and space afforded by the SDA's. I also like a soundstage that isn't 1ft wide in the center.

    It also is room dependent. I had my RTA's and still have my SDA's in a medium size room. The RTA's didn't quite carry as well. And separation just wasn't even close to me.
  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,691
    edited June 2012
    gimpod wrote: »
    Here's my attempt,

    SDA Speaker Identification.pdf

    Hope this helps.

    Well Tony the SDA 1 signature has a little flaw:redface: In Mine they have 3 mw6600 and 1 mw6501dimensional and this also jives with the wiring schamatic that Kim sent me from Polk CS.
    All in all a very good list keep up the great work...
  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited June 2012
    Joe08867 wrote: »
    While I agree pinpoint accuracy is there with the RTA's I still prefer the air and space afforded by the SDA's. I also like a soundstage that isn't 1ft wide in the center.

    It also is room dependent. I had my RTA's and still have my SDA's in a medium size room. The RTA's didn't quite carry as well. And separation just wasn't even close to me.

    Did you do any mods to your RTA 12's? If so, which ones?

    I still need to install the spikes I bought, but other than that I did the full monty.
    "Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited June 2012
    Redid the crossovers with Clarity Caps, Spiked it, replaced the Sl2000 with RD-0194 and Dynamatted the cabs.

    They sounded truly awesome when they were done but I also modded my SDA2B's with the 4.1TL mod at the same time. So the contest wasn't totally fair.
  • drumminman
    drumminman Posts: 3,396
    edited June 2012
    Oops, I lied. I still have the SL1000's. How much improvement did you hear with the RD0's? What did you do to get them to fit?
    "Science is suppose to explain observations not dismiss them as impossible" - Norm on AA; 2.3TL's w/sonicaps/mills/jantzen inductors, Gimpod's boards, Lg Solen SDA inductors, RD-0198's, MW's dynamatted, Armaflex speaker gaskets, H-nuts, brass spikes, Cardas CCGR BP's, upgraded IC Cable, Black Hole Damping Sheet strips, interior of cabinets sealed with Loctite Power Grab, AI-1 interface with 1000VA A-L transformer
  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited June 2012
    The RDO is a drop in for the sl2000 not the SL1000. You need to router out either side a bit to get the connectors to fit as the RD0 is straight out on either side and the SL1000 is angled down. It isn't drop in but well worth the effort.
  • GlennDog
    GlennDog Posts: 3,121
    edited June 2012
    These links need/could/should to be added to VR3s latest Sticky . . .

    http://www.polksda.com/list.shtml post #7

    SDA Speaker Identification.pdf post #16

    Vintage Polk Audio.pdf post #3

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  • TNHNDYMAN
    TNHNDYMAN Posts: 2,145
    edited June 2012
    awesome info Gimpod - thank you for taking the time to put it together for everyone
    2-ch System: Parasound P/LD 2000 pre, Parasound HCA-1000 amp, Parasound T/DQ Tuner, Phase Technology PC-100 Tower speakers, Technics SL-1600 Turntable, Denon 2910 SACD/CD player, Peachtree DAC iT and X1asynchorus USB converter, HSU VTF-3 subwoofer.