~550 dollars for a new reciever

jbooker82

One crossover setting for all speakers in your system would kind of stink. If you have small surrounds then your ethire going to have to set the xo lower that what they sould be to get some bass out of your towers or neuter your towers and use them as bookshelfs.

jaritta

You should be able to go in and adjust the crossover and speaker sizes (weather they recieve full range signal or not) after you run audyssey. The denon ci series allows you to get a professional calibration also, but you do have to buy an audyssey pro key. It eq's on 32 points insted of 16(i think) But you can tweak and change it because it sometimes doesnt get everything right. In my setup my surrounds are dipole speaker so it finds them to be out of phase which i have to tell it to ignore. I work for a denon dealer so i am lucky to be able sit down and study the reciever.

Another thing to look at is the connectiability of the denons. the ci series are network ready, which means you can stream music from another computer or nas drive directly to the denon, Change volume from the computer that you are using to control the reciever, or if you have a ipod touch or ipad or iphone you can use the denon app to switch inputs, change volume and many other stuff.

Again i couldnt recomend them highly enough, plus they have a great sound.

jaritta

You can adjust the channel level for each channel after you run audyssey, Just to be clear. I am not 100% for sure if you can adjsut the cross over for each speaker seperatly. but i am sure that you can adjust the surrounds as a group, center and front left and right as groups. Hope that makes sense

John K.

ES, you've obviously done your homework on this, and yes, the 809 best fits your list of requirements. In my view, in particular you should have Audyssey MultEQ XT.

Note that the ShopOnkyo Father's Day sale applies to all refurb units and the 809 is still available here at this time listed at $699. With 17% off on the sale and a $10 credit for registering for "Club Onkyo", your price would be about $570 with shipping included. Also note that there's a 5% credit(about $29)given which might be used on a future purchase.

la9ers

Okay.... I found a better deal while supplies last LOL... amazon (deal of the day) has the Denon 3312CI on sale for 550.00 Free shipping not tax... HURRY!!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/

EndersShadow

la9ers wrote: »

Okay.... I found a better deal while supplies last LOL... amazon (deal of the day) has the Denon 3312CI on sale for 550.00 Free shipping not tax... HURRY!!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/

Wish I could but the funds for this upgrade wont be there till mid July. I just have to bide my time and hope there are still some NIB when the time comes. Otherwise I know there will continue to be some at A4L for the near future as the 809 and 3312 were last years model so they should have a good amount of refurbs. The 3311 might go away but thats fine.

If nothing else the longer I wait the cheaper the refurbs get lol.

EndersShadow

jaritta wrote: »

You should be able to go in and adjust the crossover and speaker sizes (weather they receive full range signal or not) after you run audyssey. The denon ci series allows you to get a professional calibration also, but you do have to buy an audyssey pro key. It eq's on 32 points insted of 16(i think) But you can tweak and change it because it sometimes doesnt get everything right. In my setup my surrounds are dipole speaker so it finds them to be out of phase which i have to tell it to ignore. I work for a denon dealer so i am lucky to be able sit down and study the reciever.

Another thing to look at is the connectiability of the denons. the ci series are network ready, which means you can stream music from another computer or nas drive directly to the denon, Change volume from the computer that you are using to control the reciever, or if you have a ipod touch or ipad or iphone you can use the denon app to switch inputs, change volume and many other stuff.

Again i couldnt recomend them highly enough, plus they have a great sound.

With Audyssey I know well you can change the xover for each channel grouping (fronts, center, surrounds, rear surrounds) independently. The Pioneers I dont think you can (since they use MCACC)

I know from a software/feature perspective the Denon's are good, but I was VERY underwhelmed with my Denon 1612's amp section when I owned it year or two back. As I might be powering a set of LSi 7's in the future with the amp section I am somewhat hesitant to go with Denon.

The Onkyo 809 also has just about all the features you mentioned the Denon's having.

TNHNDYMAN

Enders-

I have an older Denon 890 and find it fine for home theater usually. It can struggle some when pushed in 2 ch mode with my Monitor 10's or 70's so I hear your concerns about the 1612. I have an Onkyo 706 I got here on the forum just to have the pre out option and will be using this shortly. I haven't played with the video on it any but the sound was maybe equal to the Denon via it's internal amps but barely if that, so I am glad for the pre outs. I'll be using a Adcom 5400 with it later.

I really think the Denon 33** series is a whole different level up though. Denon's are a pain to set up and the manuals are garbage, but I feel the feature set to be every bit as good as the Onkyo's. I would give the Denon's a listen if you get the chance. Wishing you well and hope you find something suitable.

On a side note, I was curious as to which headphones you were looking at since I'm needing a decent pair myself.

jaritta

EndersShadow wrote: »

With Audyssey I know well you can change the xover for each channel grouping (fronts, center, surrounds, rear surrounds) independently. The Pioneers I dont think you can (since they use MCACC)

I know from a software/feature perspective the Denon's are good, but I was VERY underwhelmed with my Denon 1612's amp section when I owned it year or two back. As I might be powering a set of LSi 7's in the future with the amp section I am somewhat hesitant to go with Denon.

The Onkyo 809 also has just about all the features you mentioned the Denon's having.

Wow, I guess i havent tried the 1612 but the 3311 and 3312 has powered my kef q500's with absoutly no problems... I also had them powering the rtia5's with no probelms either but, some amps pair better with some speakers

EndersShadow

TNHNDYMAN wrote: »

Enders-

I have an older Denon 890 and find it fine for home theater usually. It can struggle some when pushed in 2 ch mode with my Monitor 10's or 70's so I hear your concerns about the 1612. I have an Onkyo 706 I got here on the forum just to have the pre out option and will be using this shortly. I haven't played with the video on it any but the sound was maybe equal to the Denon via it's internal amps but barely if that, so I am glad for the pre outs. I'll be using a Adcom 5400 with it later.

I really think the Denon 33** series is a whole different level up though. Denon's are a pain to set up and the manuals are garbage, but I feel the feature set to be every bit as good as the Onkyo's. I would give the Denon's a listen if you get the chance. Wishing you well and hope you find something suitable.

I will take that under advisement, but considering the refurbs are sitting at or above the cost the the 809 and they have all the same features from what I see (but if I am wrong please point out what I missed), its hard to justify spending more on them for the same stuff I can get from the Onkyo for less.

TNHNDYMAN wrote: »

On a side note, I was curious as to which headphones you were looking at since I'm needing a decent pair myself.

Right now I basically just decided to get a sub 200 dollar pair for casual/fun listening. I am moving form 5+ year old 50 dollar Sony's so just about anything will sound better lol. My choices have been narrowd down to either the Beyerdynamic DT-770's or the AudioTechica ATH-M50s. I know Denon makes a set that is supposed to be really good at the ~300 dollar price range if I remember correctly, but thats outta reach. Both the sets I am looking at have a V EQ with good high's, low's and somewhat recessed mid's. Since these are for more causal "fun" listening at loud volumes (and I am a bit of a bass hound) they should meet the criteria quite well. I also need somewhat to not have everyone hearing my music (when using at work). I also condsidered the UltraSone HFI-780's but they were a bit out of my price range.

Both sets can be purchased at Guitar Center so I can listen to the Beyers and if I dont like them, return for the AudioTechnica's and not have to deal with shipping, etc.

PM me if you want more info as I started threads on a couple site and can point you there.

P.S. if you can do IEM's (I cant stand them myself) the Polk Ultrafit's are RIDICULOUSLY good. My wife had a pair (till our Terror of a Terrier ate them 2 weeks ago) and we both agreed they were PHENOMENAL. Great sounding pair that makes me hate my Sony's even more. Also the Ultrafits are like 100 max for the best ones the 3000's which were what we had.

PM Drenis for more info about those, and check my started threads for a review of them

jaritta wrote: »

Wow, I guess i havent tried the 1612 but the 3311 and 3312 has powered my kef q500's with absoutly no problems... I also had them powering the rtia5's with no probelms either but, some amps pair better with some speakers

Yeah, but again your talking a 8 ohm load on both those speakers. The LSi's present a 4 ohm load. I will say the 1612 was driving a pair of less than decent Infinity Studio Monitor 185's and it just made them sound like crap IMHO. I traded it for the HK 3490 which does a MUCH better job with no EQ.

But the 1612 is FAR from their top of the line. As we all know the ratings the manufactures give for WPC is shaky at best and isnt a true "all channels driven" spec. I know the Onkyo wont really give 135 wpc, nor the Denon's their rated WPC but you would hope given the weight of the Onkyo compared to the Denon's that it has a *bit* more gas in the tank....