~550 dollars for a new reciever

EndersShadow
EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
edited June 2012 in Electronics
So heres the deal. I have a budget of between 500-700 for a new to me receiver. Doesnt have to be NIB, but does need a warranty of some sort (so refurbs are ok). I would prefer something around the 500 dollar mark (so I can get some new headphones with the leftover) but I am willing to blow it all on the receiver if its justified.

Here is what I need:

1. More than 4 HDMI 1.4 ports
2. Upscale composite video (Xbox, SNES, Nintendo, etc) and send over HDMI
3. Pre-outs for at least 7 channels. Pre-outs for 7 + heights/wides would be nice but not required
4. Ability to drive one set of small bookshelf 4 ohm speakers if no pre-outs for heights/wides
5. EQ in the form of Audyssey XT or higher OR ARC
6. IEC Plug

Here is my current setup:

TV: Panasonic 60" TC-P60ST30 Plasma
Receiver: Integra DTR 5.9
Amps: Carver TFM-35 (driving front left/right), Carver AV-705x (driving center and surrounds)
Fronts: Polk LSi 15
Center: Polk LSiC
Surrounds : Polk LSi F /x
Sources: Samsung BDP-1600, Xbox 360, Pioneer Laserdisc, Super Nintendo, N64, Uverse DVR

I will be adding more vintage consoles, but building a rolling console center so I can move them close to the person playing them (since old console's are not wireless). The console center will have a switch of some sort and be connected to just one input on the reciever.

I have on my short list the following receivers:
Onkyo TX-NR809
Denon AVR-3311CI
DENON AVR-3312CI
Anthem MRX-300 (assuming I can get a deal on it and while its only got 4 HDMI for ARC I am willing to make an exception)

Thoughts?
"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,652
    edited June 2012
    Marantz seems to be making its name more prominent here lately

    OutlawAudio.com sells them
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited June 2012
    VR3 wrote: »
    Marantz seems to be making its name more prominent here lately

    OutlawAudio.com sells them

    The only Marantz that are close to budget is the SR6005 (Its actually 550 on the nose since there is no shipping). How does that stack up to say the Onkyo 809 (610 with shipping)?

    **edit** its only got Audyssey MultiEQ :sad:
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,421
    edited June 2012
    http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-1122-K


    This looks to fit the bill. How do you love that TFM-35 with the LSi's?
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited June 2012
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-1122-K


    This looks to fit the bill. How do you love that TFM-35 with the LSi's?

    hehehe, 2 problems John. Its got no pre-outs and it uses a different EQ than I am wanting :biggrin:.

    You are really stuck on them Pio's now huh....

    The TFM-35 enters the fold Sunday if all goes according to plan.
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited June 2012
    Love the Pioneer SC models and you can always add an external sub EQ down the road for a couple hundred bucks.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,421
    edited June 2012
    yep... for what I need from it for video processing, it rocks. If you can strech a bit you can get the SC 61 for less than a grand. The MCACC works very well. I doubt you would miss audessey...
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited June 2012
    2. Upscale composite video (Xbox, SNES, Nintendo, etc) and send over HDMI

    Here's my beef. I find my AVR is slow at doing this and there is latency especially when playing a game on the PS2 which is what I first used. I actually run a composite out from my AVR to my TV to bypass the video processing because I don't like it. Has this been corrected in today's AVR's?

    And I'm sorry. I don't know what to suggest other than a Pioneer. :razz:
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited June 2012
    Drenis wrote: »
    Here's my beef. I find my AVR is slow at doing this and there is latency especially when playing a game on the PS2 which is what I first used. I actually run a composite out from my AVR to my TV to bypass the video processing because I don't like it. Has this been corrected in today's AVR's?

    I haven't any problems with the Wii (before I sold it) or my Laserdisc player via my DTR 5.9 over HDMI. I will check my Xbox later this weekend just for giggles.
    Drenis wrote: »
    And I'm sorry. I don't know what to suggest other than a Pioneer. :razz:

    Your silly lol...
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    yep... for what I need from it for video processing, it rocks. If you can strech a bit you can get the SC 61 for less than a grand. The MCACC works very well. I doubt you would miss audyssey...

    Cant go over budget on this :sad:. My hard limit is 700 and realistically I need it to be 550 so I can get the headphones.
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  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited June 2012
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    I haven't any problems with the Wii (before I sold it) or my Laserdisc player via my DTR 5.9 over HDMI. I will check my Xbox later this weekend just for giggles.

    It could be different processing chips. IIRC when I bought my VSX-23, there was a few Denon's that had even better up-converting chips at the time. Probably my only beef with the Elite AVR's of that generation. There is noticeable lag on anything which must be converted to HDMI. You turn it off and the lag is gone. We are talking about not quite half a second in delay whether joystick or button input.

    Don't skimp out on this. Make the right choice and buy once! Even if it mean you may have to spend a bit more and hold off on cans for a month. :razz:
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  • maneduk997
    maneduk997 Posts: 6
    edited June 2012
    Sorry in advance for my ignorance - I just ordered the Onkyo 709 for sub 500 shipped. Its looking to me like your best option would be the 809 however - and it seems like you're looking at the same site as me - but other than the power deficit of 15 per channel what else is the difference between the 709 vs 809? Ever think of the 709 instead?
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited June 2012
    maneduk997 wrote: »
    Sorry in advance for my ignorance - I just ordered the Onkyo 709 for sub 500 shipped. Its looking to me like your best option would be the 809 however - and it seems like you're looking at the same site as me - but other than the power deficit of 15 per channel what else is the difference between the 709 vs 809? Ever think of the 709 instead?

    The 809 has a removeable powercord (which the 709 doesnt) as well as a MUCH better face IMHO. Otherwise they are just about identical. For my purposes I want to spend the cash now so I have NO PROBLEM driving a set of LSi 7's or LSi 9's for heights/wides off the reciever. I could potentially see the 709 running out of gas.

    By no means am I knocking the 709 as it was initially what I was going to go with, but I really want to have a removeable powercord and the 709 doesnt have that feature, and the 809 has a much beefier amp section.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited June 2012
    Some things from the Onkyo site that make the 809 different are:

    135 wpc rather than 110
    Push/Pull design
    HQV Vida VHD1900 Video Processor 1080p upscaling
    Optical input on the front panel
    Multichannel inputs

    Thats about it.
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    edited June 2012
    http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-VSX-1121-K-Theater-Receiver-Glossy/dp/B004M8RPBS/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1339686296&sr=8-6

    Solves the pre-out problem, but not the eq.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harman-Kardon-AVR-3600-Z-7-1-Channel-A-V-receiver-HDMI-Repeater-/390417905551?pt=Receivers_Tuners&hash=item5ae6b8778f

    This would save you some cash, and I really like the sound of HKs with the Lsis. I also like Hks proprietary eq but YMMV.
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  • jaritta
    jaritta Posts: 277
    edited June 2012
    I have the 3312....it is unreal. I absoutly love it. However for 550 i dont think you can find one for that. You might look at the next step down and have most all of the same features. it is the 2312 if it is anything like my 3312 you wont be disapointed. Plus it comes with the audyssey room eq correction, which doesnt do a bad job. I tweeked my a bit but it did a good job.
    Harman kardon signature 2.1 amp
    Denon 3312
    Epson 8700ub
    Chief mount
    Screen Innovations Performance Series 110in
    Kef q 500 (RL)
    Kef q 200 (C)
    Kef q 800 (Rear RL)
    REL T7 (SUB)
    mx 450 remote
    Sonos-Amp, Connect, Play5
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  • jaritta
    jaritta Posts: 277
    edited June 2012
    Sorry, didnt see about the pre outs. The 33 and 43 series of denon are the only ones with 7ch pre outs. You might look into a good used 3311 there is no difference between the 3311 and 3312 other than air play and the gui is nicer looking and easier to use on the 3312. 550 might still be pushing it though
    Harman kardon signature 2.1 amp
    Denon 3312
    Epson 8700ub
    Chief mount
    Screen Innovations Performance Series 110in
    Kef q 500 (RL)
    Kef q 200 (C)
    Kef q 800 (Rear RL)
    REL T7 (SUB)
    mx 450 remote
    Sonos-Amp, Connect, Play5
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited June 2012
    jaritta wrote: »
    Sorry, didnt see about the pre outs. The 33 and 43 series of denon are the only ones with 7ch pre outs. You might look into a good used 3311 there is no difference between the 3311 and 3312 other than air play and the gui is nicer looking and easier to use on the 3312. 550 might still be pushing it though

    Yup, the 3311 and 3312 are on the list. Both can be had for around 500-600 at Accessories4less as manufacture refurbs:

    3311 ~545 shipped to my door
    3312 ~615 shipped to my door

    The budget now is looking more like 620ish since my main possibility is the Onkyo 809. Maybe a Pio model in the mix too (SC-61) but I have to re-educate myself about MCACC compared to Audyssey...
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  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited June 2012
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    I have to re-educate myself about MCACC compared to Audyssey...

    Real simple. Run full setup, Verify your speaker size, levels and crossovers to ensure you have the the right settings (e.g. - Large, Small). You may choose to run another (not a full) scan. Then boost your sub by a couple DB and you`re done.

    It`s really that simple.
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  • la9ers
    la9ers Posts: 117
    edited June 2012
    I know you ruled out the 709 but right now onkyo is having a special on a refurbish 709 for 356.00 out the door....

    Go to www.shoponkyo.com the sign up for club onkyo and get 17% off all refurbs plus $10 for new members who join.

    This brings the NR709 to $356 or $346 if you are new
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited June 2012
    Drenis wrote: »
    Real simple. Run full setup, Verify your speaker size, levels and crossovers to ensure you have the the right settings (e.g. - Large, Small). You may choose to run another (not a full) scan. Then boost your sub by a couple DB and you`re done.

    It`s really that simple.

    Will it let you set xovers independent of each other or not? I.E. set the LSi 15's at like 50 and the center and surrounds at like 65?
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  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited June 2012
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    Will it let you set xovers independent of each other or not? I.E. set the LSi 15's at like 50 and the center and surrounds at like 65?

    No. Probably the only thing people complain about is the single crossover you set for all speakers. Settings are IIRC: 50, 80, 100, 120 & 150hz low-pass. However, this MAY be different in today`s MCACC software. I`m not sure. My Elite is a `09 model I believe. There are 3 generations much newer then mine. :razz: Get your read on.

    I would set the xover at 80hz. Only your mains can do with a xover of 50hz.
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  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited June 2012
    Scrap that...
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,421
    edited June 2012
    Onkyo 809 for 699 refurbished as well...
    https://www.shoponkyo.com/detail.cfm?productid=TX-NR809&modelid=59&group_id=1&detail=2
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited June 2012
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Onkyo 809 for 699 refurbished as well...
    https://www.shoponkyo.com/detail.cfm?productid=TX-NR809&modelid=59&group_id=1&detail=2

    The 809 is MUCH cheaper at accessories4less.com (610 shipped to my door) and its still from an authorized reseller
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited June 2012
    Drenis wrote: »
    I would set the xover at 80hz. Only your mains can do with a xover of 50hz.

    True, but with an Onkyo I can set it to 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 80... hehehehe.....

    I will get my read on about that model but I think your right Drenis in that its one xover for them all.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,421
    edited June 2012
    Save the time bro, that Pioneer has no pre-out.
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  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited June 2012
    Should have just bought mine. :razz:

    I`m actually a bit disappointed to see fewer pre-outs on Pioneer`s newer models.
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  • maneduk997
    maneduk997 Posts: 6
    edited June 2012
    la9ers wrote: »
    I know you ruled out the 709 but right now onkyo is having a special on a refurbish 709 for 356.00 out the door....

    Go to www.shoponkyo.com the sign up for club onkyo and get 17% off all refurbs plus $10 for new members who join.

    This brings the NR709 to $356 or $346 if you are new

    :rolleyes: and i just got my 709 for 440 at A4L and thought I was getting a good deal :redface:
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited June 2012
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Save the time bro, that Pioneer has no pre-out.

    Per the owners manual (page 18) the SC-61 has pre-outs. Thats the Pio model I am looking at.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited June 2012
    @la9ers

    The Onkyo site is already sold out of the 709s from what I read lol....

    Appreciate you looking out though!
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  • la9ers
    la9ers Posts: 117
    edited June 2012
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    @la9ers

    The Onkyo site is already sold out of the 709s from what I read lol....

    Appreciate you looking out though!

    Ummm... That's why I posted it earlier so you would have a chance to think about it... O well maybe next time
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