WTB Reel To Reel Pre recorded music

Syndil

snow wrote: »

Is it illegal to record radio songs too?

It is legal to record off an FM broadcast for private use, but if you wanted to send that recording to someone else, it would then be illegal.

And it doesn't matter if you are using a medium that no one uses any more. It's not the media that is copyrighted, it's the music contained on the media.

In a nutshell, if you receive a copy of a recording from someone and the recording artist/label is not making any money off of it, then it's probably piracy. Music is not free.

snow

Syndil wrote: »

It is legal to record off an FM broadcast for private use, but if you wanted to send that recording to someone else, it would then be illegal.

And it doesn't matter if you are using a medium that no one uses any more. It's not the media that is copyrighted, it's the music contained on the media.

In a nutshell, if you receive a copy of a recording from someone and the recording artist/label is not making any money off of it, then it's probably piracy. Music is not free.

Interesting, so if let's say mark sends me a copy of a album on reel to reel that I all'ready own on CD then it's ok? since I have previously paid for the music. What I find puzzling is that places like YouTube and others allow free uploads and downloads of vitrually every song known to man, why isnt that illegal? after all they are sharing with millions not one poor **** who is trying to see if he like a format.

I had read somewhere it is illegal to make copies of CD's to sell to others allright but does the same hold true for a copy made from a CD onto a Tape or from a Record to a CD?



REGARDS SNOW

BeefJerky

snow wrote: »

Interesting, so if let's say mark sends me a copy of a album on reel to reel that I all'ready own on CD then it's ok? since I have previously paid for the music.

That's actually a good question, and possibly a gray area. I'm not sure if it would be considered different based on who made the copy. In general though (and IANAL), I doubt anything could ever happen to you for that since you do actually hold a license to the music that is contained on the tape due to the CD purchase. However, if you ever sell the CD, you would be required to either destroy the tape copy or include it with the CD sale in order to remain legal.

What I find puzzling is that places like YouTube and others allow free uploads and downloads of vitrually every song known to man, why isnt that illegal?

It is, with a few exceptions. Like most large networks, Youtube relies upon the copyright holders to inform them of copyright breaches before they act upon them. So, if a copyright holder doesn't complain, the music won't be taken down. Not to mention, someone else could upload it again, and that would generally require another complaint to be removed. In addition, there are some agreements with certain record labels and artists to allow their work to be used in videos as long as proper credit is given, but this is an exception, not a rule. Also, there are are certain channels on Youtube that are run by the artist, record company or VEVO that will post authorized music videos.

after all they are sharing with millions not one poor **** who is trying to see if he like a format.

I had read somewhere it is illegal to make copies of CD's to sell to others allright but does the same hold true for a copy made from a CD onto a Tape or from a Record to a CD?

Yes, it does. As Syndil mentioned, it is the music that is copyrighted, not the media.

snow

BeefJerky wrote: »

That's actually a good question, and possibly a gray area. I'm not sure if it would be considered different based on who made the copy. In general though (and IANAL), I doubt anything could ever happen to you for that since you do actually hold a license to the music that is contained on the tape due to the CD purchase. However, if you ever sell the CD, you would be required to either destroy the tape copy or include it with the CD sale in order to remain legal.


It is, with a few exceptions. Like most large networks, Youtube relies upon the copyright holders to inform them of copyright breaches before they act upon them. So, if a copyright holder doesn't complain, the music won't be taken down. Not to mention, someone else could upload it again, and that would generally require another complaint to be removed. In addition, there are some agreements with certain record labels and artists to allow their work to be used in videos as long as proper credit is given, but this is an exception, not a rule. Also, there are are certain channels on Youtube that are run by the artist, record company or VEVO that will post authorized music videos.


Yes, it does. As Syndil mentioned, it is the music that is copyrighted, not the media.

Very interesting stuff. I wonder how radio broadcasters are allowed to transmit music over the airwaves sharing it with millions daily then and it's ok to record that music that way, it's still the same music just recorded via the radio versus a CD Record or Tape.

REGARDS SNOW

BeefJerky

snow wrote: »

Very interesting stuff. I wonder how radio broadcasters are allowed to transmit music over the airwaves sharing it with millions daily then and it's ok to record that music that way, it's still the same music just recorded via the radio versus a CD Record or Tape.

First, those radio broadcasters pay for the rights to air the music. Second, as Syndil said, it is only legal to record for personal use. Meaning you are free to listen to that recording, but you cannot give it away to someone else. That is really no different than the CD, record or tape. You can copy it to another medium for your own use, but cannot give that away either.

snow

BeefJerky wrote: »

First, those radio broadcasters pay for the rights to air the music. Second, as Syndil said, it is only legal to record for personal use. Meaning you are free to listen to that recording, but you cannot give it away to someone else. That is really no different than the CD, record or tape. You can copy it to another medium for your own use, but cannot give that away either.

Fair enough. I guess that might suck for a widow that wants to get rid of her husbands old tape collection or the like though. I understand to a point at least why these laws are in effect the recording industry wants to prevent bootlegging sales by any means necessary and of course why would anyone buy something that could be got for free so they want to stop gifts also.

I suppose to make it legal she would have to sell the tapes her husband recorded as blank tapes much like Mark is going to sell or give me a blank tape and if it just so happens to have something recorded on it oh well mistakes happen

Sorry it just seems silly at times all the laws and rules even though I know there is a need for them.



REGARDS SNOW

BeefJerky

snow wrote: »

Fair enough. I guess that might suck for a widow that wants to get rid of her husbands old tape collection or the like though. I understand to a point at least why these laws are in effect the recording industry wants to prevent bootlegging sales by any means necessary and of course why would anyone buy something that could be got for free so they want to stop gifts also.

Well, a real friend would include the original CD/vinyl as well. So, not only would it be a perfectly legal gift, but it would also be immensely generous! :cheesygrin:

I suppose to make it legal she would have to sell the tapes her husband recorded as blank tapes much like Mark is going to sell or give me a blank tape and if it just so happens to have something recorded on it oh well mistakes happen

That, or Ratshack used to sell bulk tape erasers which would have fit the bill perfectly for that purpose.

Sorry it just seems silly at times all the laws and rules even though I know there is a need for them.

I can understand that.

mhardy6647

BeefJerky wrote: »

Well, a real friend would include the original CD/vinyl as well. So, not only would it be a perfectly legal gift, but it would also be immensely generous! :cheesygrin:

Now there's good idea! :-)

cnh

We may as well just call the original recording company and the artist up and pay an "up front" fee for usage! lol

On a completely different subject but still related to notions of copyright law and the exorbitant fees we pay to artists and their distributors. In Japan, there are MANY more times the authors, journals--venues for "writers" so that A LOT more "individuals" can make a livable income "writing" there than in the U.S. A similar model for music and musicians here, would not hurt "art" or "artists" who really LOVE what they do and more would be able to survive doing it. The American model of "you're either rich or you're waiting tables" is certainly one that "encourages" and supports "artists"?? But we just love winners and losers, even when many winners are not particularly good or even talented. Ah, oh, awe!

cnh

Polkersince85

There are data CDR and Music CDR. The Music CDR is labeled and a portion of the cost goes to the recording artist fund. If you are burning music to a CD, use a Music CDR. It's the right thing to do.

miner

Beautiful teac decks. I recently had my RT707 refurbished by Jeff Jacobs at J-corder. I am able to fit it in my audio cabinet.

Fongolio

I made a trade yesterday for a Akai GX-600D unit. The owner said it plays well but the record mode sounds garbled. I cleaned and demagnestized the heads and then aligned them properly and the unit both plays and records flawlessly. It could probably use some new caps etc. But for a piece this old it sounds amazing. I made some recordings on some old tapes (1959) I picked up and you'd swear it was brand new tape. Serious good bang for buck on this unit. Most pleased. Oh, and it came with two 10" metal reels; one's a Maxell, the other Scotch. Plus it had a full spool of tape on the Maxell. Here's a pic of one just like it: (don't know where my camera is).

mhardy6647

ooooh. magnetic ****.

mhardy6647

heh. Today, the Fourth of July, seemed like a good day to make some tapes! Warm, muggy, threatening weather (rainy in the AM). Mrs. H and I went to the fish market and picked up fresh tuna to grille for dinner (which was outstanding, but that's kind of a different story).

After lunch, I scoured the 'used' tape collection downstairs, identified a few viable volunteers, swapped a few cables and prepared for a test run on the RT-909. Long story short - age has caught up with the ol' hoss; the 909 won't play in either direction (though it will REW and FF). It's just been too long since it got any exercise - time to go to rehab... :-(

Switched over to the trusty TASCAM 4-track. The ol' trouper is still workin' like new. I recorded about 1/2 hour of "needle drops" (as the young'uns might say) on a Scotch 207 tape - the JLTi preamp fed directly to the TASCAM (and the TASCAM's outputs to the SE 2A3 amp via the autoformer attenuators). The result sounds OK in many respects but lacking in HF extension. I shall try again with another brand of tape!

mhardy6647

Snow - finally determined last week that the tape configuration of the four-track deck is compatible in the real (reel!) world with a quarter-track deck. I worked around the crappy weather today and managed to make a tape on the TASCAM that sounds decent to me on the Duplexes -- admittedly, not the best test of extended HF linearity :-P

I used one of the BASF tapes I recently picked up from AK; it was a blank, unused tape and I think it sounds pretty darned good.

One side's analog (Denon DL-103 on SL-Q2 into JLTi solid state phono preamp); the other digital (Marantz CD-something or other CDP with Kevin Kennedy modified ZhaoLu DAC). I had some playback glitches with the CD I was "dubbing" (one of my "hifi demo" CD-Rs) which, unfortunately, may manifest themselves on a track or two of the final product :-( The analog side's reproduction went flawlessly (there's a lesson in there, somewhere).




Photos depict the actual dubbing of a track from the eponymous Charlie Byrd 12" 45 rpm direct to disk album on Crystal Clear Records (white vinyl), with and without flash :-)

PM me an address and I'll get the tape off to you.
Also sending a PM to Fongnolio

Sorry for the delay - life's been a little hectic lately :-(