3.1TL Guru's
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What did you pay? Sl2000's? Did you ask him why he had to replace the tweets? 3.1TL's and other TL's don't have a poly switch for tweeter protection.
Here's the owners manual/literature
http://polksda.com/pdfs/SRS3.1TLBrochure.pdf
I'd get the order for RD0198-1's placed right away. Too bad you are in Canada because you are going to pay a lot more than if you were in the states.
Congrats
He is a complete schmuck for keeping the I/C cable, that's like advertising a car and then when the buyer gets there taking the wheels off.
H9
I paid $575. And that was as low as I could go or give them up ($100 less than asking). All because the I/C cable wasn't discussed he said it wasn;t included. Even I said that ridiculous as its a OEM piece! Regardless, he stated he had someone contact him willing to pay $100 for the cable. I told him to sell him cause that guy is getting ripped off. I was told I could have the cable for his original asking price. Again, he can keep it. I'll make my own or get a new one. IIRC, my Carver TFM-42 IS common ground so I do NOT need a A1-1. Correct? Those are ONLY needed for amps that are NOT common ground.
When I went to pick them up, I mentioned about the tweeters and he said he didn't know that. He really didn't know anything about these not even how the SDA worked. Regardless, they are home.
Thanks for the literature!
As far as replacements, I have what drivers/tweets should be in there but I'm open to hearing what I can/should replace as well as what to test (x-over, ohms, resistance, etc - I have a multi meter). -
Pictures...
They need a wipe down but they are clean... the mids are sticky (weird. never felt a speaker material like this before) and it sure takes the finger prints so some spots show in pics. Cabinets are clean. Bottoms have the adjustable feet and the wood is a bit dirty but no damage. The tops are flawless. I will get a better picture to show later.
You can see screwdriver marks on the tweeter screws faintly but that's it. Everything else looks fine. He said he never had the right power for them ever.
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If you have RD0198-1's then you are set. The drivers are supposed to be sticky. You paid a premium price considering no I/C and very wrong tweets, but again local is a HUGE plus so it's always better to pay a little bit more than have to deal with shipping. They look great
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
You should take a look at the crossovers to check if they have been altered to work with those awful SL2000's.
$675.00 would have been a very decent price with the cable, you should have gotten it.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
You should take a look at the crossovers to check if they have been altered to work with those awful SL2000's.
$675.00 would have been a very decent price with the cable, you should have gotten it.
Yep. And while you are at it, make sure the drivers are MW-6503's and the 2 dimentional drivers are MW-6511's. Since the tweeters were changed I would check to make sure the drivers were not or were. If the crossovers were not modified to support the sl-2000's, these 3.1TL's will sound pretty far from what they should. Also, if the crossovers were modified to support the sl-2000, they will still sound pretty bad compared to the RD0-198's or even the sl-3000 tweeters. Post some pictures of the crosoovers when you open them up.
The speakers do look like they were welll cared for physically.
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."![:\](https://forum.polkaudio.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
F1nut wrote:You should take a look at the crossovers to check if they have been altered to work with those awful SL2000's.
I'll check closely to see if the screws have been tampered with. What should I be looking for?F1nut wrote:$675.00 would have been a very decent price with the cable, you should have gotten it.
Maybe so. But he never actually produced it. He did speak of it having a "transformer in the middle". $100 is ludicrous for a OEM cable that originally came with it. Especially when I originally asked him what he wanted for the speakers cash in hand, he gave me the price and I paid it. IMO, that's low to do an act like that to get a higher price. Considering the cost of tweets so far and it being local, I think I got a great deal.
Hell in one of our original emails, I asked the following:
Me:
1. Why are you selling these?
2. Are you original owner? Second? Third?
3. Are there any issues with these (e.g. - Tweeters, Mids, Passive radiator, SDA cable)
4. Any modifications done to them?
Him:
1 Very heavey both over 210 pounds
2 2nd owner.. original owner was in his late 60's from charleswood area
3 All drivers are perfect
4 No modifications done -
How do I access the crossover? Through the PR?
Yeah, I'll start opening it up to check the drivers.
Can I make a temporary SDA cable for the time being? Not even sure THAT works. -
How do I access the crossover? Through the PR?
Yeah, I'll start opening it up to check the drivers.
Can I make a temporary SDA cable for the time being? Not even sure THAT works.
Yep through the PR. You can make a temp SDA cable. there are a few threads on there on doing it. Or, perhaps you can get one from Pepster?
The SDA cable with the transformer in the middle is actually an AI-1 cable and is probably worth the $100.00. However, if you make your own AI-1 and/or pin/blade it will be better than the originals anyway.
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
I would pull all the drivers and make sure they are the correct ones in place, you never know since he had the wrong tweeters in them. Also did you check to make sure they move in and out smoothly?
They do look great. better then the set I had for sure.
If the cable he had was the AI-1 you should have picked it up, I sold mine for almost $200. well worth $100 and IMO the best stock SDA cable to have... -
Honestly, he wouldn't even go get it unless I said I'd buy them for his original price. I asked him three times about it but he never produced it. So really, for all I know, he could be full of it with having the cable because it wasn't even mentioned in the ad.
All the drivers are correct. Crossovers look...alright? Tweeters are SL2000's.
Pictures from Right Speaker:
Pictures from Left Speaker: (Note: I stopped taking pictures of the drivers as they were all the same.)
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There's nothing magical about the stock SDA cord and especially the port. Destroy the pin hole at will.
WTF are you talking about? Do not destroy the pin hole!!!Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Honestly, he wouldn't even go get it unless I said I'd buy them for his original price. I asked him three times about it but he never produced it. So really, for all I know, he could be full of it with having the cable because it wasn't even mentioned in the ad.
Honestly, you should contact the seller to see if he still has the AI-1 and if he does, pay him the $100.00.Crossovers look...alright?
Yes, they appear completely unmolested.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
So is RD0198-1 just the model number of the "SL3000"? Or are they actually different? Will I do any harm dropping them in despite me having the SL2000's in there now?
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The RD0198-1 is the replacement for the SL3000. You will undo the harm done to the sound by replacing the SL2000's.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Thanks. I'll give Polk CS a call tomorrow morning and see what the damage will be for 2.
And thanks to everyone for their contributions during this. There is much to learn. -
Thanks. I'll give Polk CS a call tomorrow morning and see what the damage will be for 2.
And thanks to everyone for their contributions during this. There is much to learn.
Should be $48.00 a piece with free shipping if you mention you are a Polk Forum member. Everything else in the speakers look original except for the sl-2000's. I wonder what posessed him to install those?
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
Thanks. I'll give Polk CS a call tomorrow morning and see what the damage will be for 2.
Since you are north of the border you'll have to order them from the Canadian distributor.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
^^^^^Good point Jesse.^^^^^ Forgot he was in Canada. Does Polk still give free shipping up there?
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
As far as replacements, I have what drivers/tweets should be in there but I'm open to hearing what I can/should replace as well as what to test (x-over, ohms, resistance, etc - I have a multi meter).So is RD0198-1 just the model number of the "SL3000"? Or are they actually different? Will I do any harm dropping them in despite me having the SL2000's in there now?Thanks. I'll give Polk CS a call tomorrow morning and see what the damage will be for 2.
I thought you already had RD0918-1's? :question:"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
Since you are north of the border you'll have to order them from the Canadian distributor.
I think I still have Walter's number somewhere around here. Thanks for the heads up on that. -
I thought you already had RD0918-1's? :question:
LOL... I seemed to have gotten a bit ahead of myself when I made the initial statement. I meant as in the speakers came with all the drivers/tweeters. Not sure why I said replacements. Trying to word properly what I should have been checking for. Sorry for the confusion. Was quite hot out yesterday. The heat got to me. :razz:
I don't have any spare parts for these. Just whatever they came with. I'm still learning. My head hurts from all the reading I did last night on mods, crossovers, rings, etc etc... -
Okay so I fired off a email to Walter since he was away from the office.
Hooked the speakers up this morning. Ran a piece of speaker wire to test SDA. Turn balance to the left and right dimensional driver plays sound. Same when you change balance to the right channel and it follows to the left. So based on that, the SDA is working. Its as if the SDA operates at 50%. At least that's what I think I hear.
Given that my 3.1TL's have the SL-2000 tweeters, no spikes or anything done, I wasn't keeping my hopes very high. But I did some initial listening and I'm floored! My expectations have already been surpassed. I love what I hear so far. I really do. -
Its as if the SDA operates at 50%. At least that's what I think I hear.
That is correct. The opposite channel signal plays at about 50% lessGiven that my 3.1TL's have the SL-2000 tweeters, no spikes or anything done, I wasn't keeping my hopes very high. But I did some initial listening and I'm floored! My expectations have already been surpassed. I love what I hear so far. I really do.
You ain't heard nothing yet! :biggrin::cool:
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
My expectations have already been surpassed. I love what I hear so far. I really do.
Now just buy the SC-05 in the Flea Market and youll really be cooking with oil
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P.S. if your evergreen tree ever sprouts money, please send some my way:razz: "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
These speakers sound incredible. I'm listening to music that was familiarly bright on the A9's but sound so nice on the 3.1TL's. There are some songs that sound bad on the A9's but it sounds right now. I see where the negative comments come regarding the tweeter. Given from what I've read of the softer sound from the new RDO, I think I'll really like that.
THE SDA IS UNREAL! Drums... the bass... just wow! I honestly had little hope these things could kick it. -
We told you so!
SDA's always were and still are very underrated speakers. The RTi, RTiA and even LSi lines don't come close. The jury is still out on the LSiM's.
Wait until you get proper tweeters. I just can't imagine how the sl2000 even sounds good.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
They sound good because this mid-range is phenomenal! That and it's a different sound from what I am used to. I have a deep love for sealed enclosures. This passive design in wonderful. I really like the sound over my other ported offering. The SDA effect is weird when you've never heard it before. I'm always trying to "listen" for it. I just love how it blends so well.
So new tweets will be $110. :sad: Have to mail a check tomorrow as no other method is available. Going to be a loooooong week. -
Except it's not a sealed enclosure, the passive acts just like a port. But I know what you mean, I prefer a passive radiator system to a std port in most instances. Classic Polks have excellent midrange capabilities. Very real and very smooth and lifelike. Something about the doped paper cone.
$110 is just a bit more than we pay stateside, so actually it's not that bad.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
H9 is correct, just wait... I heard stock SDA's for a long time before I got modded ones. The tweets are a must but when you get the xovers done, you are in for a real treat.
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I have a feeling I'll be going "balls to the wall" on these. I'm only 75% stock and I'm hooked!
And I LOVE the oak. It's something different other than black. When I was poking around inside, it appears your can't replace the end caps with something other than whats on there now. As in, not in the same way as 1.2/2.3's from what I have seen/read so far. Sure love the ones in the FM.
