You think?
A poor man on a poor system enjoys his music as much as a rich man on a high $$$$$$ system?:eek:
Is it all about the music for you?
Or not?
Is it all about the music for you?
Or not?
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I say yes,but its better an a kick **** system.
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If I were that rich, I would own the record label and wouldn't need no stinkin" hifi.:loneranger:The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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The only reason I mentioned it was, I have a neighbor that I built a pair of 6.5" car speakers for, in boxes.
He has them in his home.
He has crap for amplification, yet I enjoy myself everytime I go over there because of the music played.
Simply because of the music.
Sure, I crank my system up when I get home, but it sure was enjoyable listening to his vast library of records, and even cassettes.
Stuff I do not own on CD.
Simply enjoyable, and I have learned that I enjoy the music the most, not the system.Testing
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Oldfatdogs wrote: »I say yes,but its better an a kick **** system.
True. And, as they say "Ignorance is bliss" if the man with the poor system has never heard a better system.
The real question is can somebody with "a high $$$$$$ system" enjoy music on "a poor system". I would say it depends. A low cost system carefully chosen will sound very good. Even a boom box, in the right setting, can be acceptable. The problem arises when the boom box owners insist their boom boxes sound as good as a "a high $$$$$$ system". Any perceived improvement on the better system is merely the placebo effect from your brain trying to rationalize the money spent on the gear. :rolleyes:Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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If you gauge how much you enjoy a system based on the percentage of listenings that give you goosebumps, then I'd say that I enjoyed my low-fi systems way more than my hi-fi systems. In fact, I'd say the most goosebumps I ever got were derived from the stock stereo of a 1993 Nissan Quest minivan that I used to go on road trips on with my buds.
I'd say it had more to do with my age, and other life factors, than the speakers themselves.
example: I'm better at getting pie now than I was then, but I probably enjoyed it more then, when it was new...
More to the point of this post: I can still get goosebumps from the lowest-fi systems in existence. My goosebumps have to do with the music and my mood, not the system.2-Channel: PC > Schiit Eitr > Audio Research DAC-8 > Audio Research LS-26 > Pass Labs X-250.5 > Magnepan 3.7's
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In our hobby there are three types of people.
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^^^^^Like what u said
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Falc ur aweosme
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I hate listening to crap systems
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In our hobby there are three types of people.
Those who listen to music and enjoy music, Those who enjoy the equipment, and those who enjoy both the musical aspect and the technical aspect of music reproduction. Which of the three are you?
I'm in the latter part, and believe me I own my share of the good sh$t.
That said, I seem to be pretty happy with good tunes.
"GOOD" tunes mind you, even if it is on a less than par system.
I have learned alot from my neighbor, alot about music, that I have not learned on my high $$$$$$ system.
To enjoy myself, beats racking my brain about equipment, and critical hodgepodge.Testing
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In our hobby there are three types of people.
Those who listen to music and enjoy music, Those who enjoy the equipment, and those who enjoy both the musical aspect and the technical aspect of music reproduction. Which of the three are you?
All 3!!!2-Channel: PC > Schiit Eitr > Audio Research DAC-8 > Audio Research LS-26 > Pass Labs X-250.5 > Magnepan 3.7's
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I think we all look to improve our audio system at any level rich or poor.
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I've enjoyed the music coming out of my system from the start and every step on the way.
I started out with Monitor 70's, a cheap Onkyo reciever and an Onkyo carousal dvd player.... it sounded awesome and I loved listening to it. I think the "innocence is bliss" was a factor for sure, because I didn't know what I was missing. -
disneyjoe7 wrote: »I think we all look to improve our audio system at any level rich or poor.
True, very true, LOL.
But if you did not have the means, I am pretty sure you would be happy with just good tunes.
Not that I would settle, just saying, its all you need my friend.
Good tunes.
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Hell, my system is not half of alot of members on this forum, and I have been super happy for several years with the same equipment.
That said, the cables do swap a few times.............a day!:cheesygrin:Testing
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Sitting in front of my Magnepan MG-20's right now with my eyes closed most of the time as a varied assortment of music from AC/DC to Glenn Miller streams from the I-phone... I have to tell you that letting the music fully envelope my mind is doing a better job of relieving pain than the vicodine has done. Music appreciation and the ability to sink into the words and melody via a great system does more for the body and soul than pills can do.
I wonder if I can get a government grant to fund a 5 year study? if I can, then world class rigs will be as important as prescription drugs!:cheesygrin:The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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For me, music and equipment are (2) separate hobbies. It's important to not let them interfere with each other.2-Channel: PC > Schiit Eitr > Audio Research DAC-8 > Audio Research LS-26 > Pass Labs X-250.5 > Magnepan 3.7's
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falconcry72 wrote: »For me, music and equipment are (2) separate hobbies. It's important to not let them interfere with each other.
You know, seriously I would not have posted if that was not true.
Truely a crap system, but I have enjoyed the music everytime I have visited my neighbor.
I could never settle for such things, but was truely happy everytime I went to his house, just because of the music.
Not sure the equipment can reach the soul like the music can.
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The moment you erase the words "critical listeningl" from your mind set & replace them with "enjoyable listening" you will be set free & realize what this as all about. :cool:"2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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pearsall001 wrote: »The moment you erase the words "critical listeningl" from your mind set & replace them with "enjoyable listening" you will be set free & realize what this as all about. :cool:
A good point Phil, but not applicable to everyone. To some, the critical listening IS the enjoyable listening.
I do get what you mean though and we have been around the block a few times on this over the years here. At some point, determined by the user, you stop chasing down those small increases in SQ and just sit back and enjoy the music. Some stop earlier than others, and for different reasons, no biggie. Music is the main focus, not the gear.
Do I enjoy others low fi system ? Sure....why not ? Unless the music hurts my ears, like Korn on a set of low end klipsch, I enjoy music on anything. Do I prefer it on a better system ? Of coarse, but never stopped me from having a good time. One thing that has become apparent to me anyway, in the differences between low rent systems and better ones, is since music can be very emotional I find the better systems bring that quality out in the music much more even in a casual environment. All preferences aside, just enjoy the music wherever you are, on whatever is available.HT SYSTEM-
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+11111!!pearsall001 wrote: »The moment you erase the words "critical listeningl" from your mind set & replace them with "enjoyable listening" you will be set free & realize what this is all about. :cool:
Earlier in life I almost caught "equipmentphilia" from a friend. Fun dude, don't get me wrong. It took me a while to realize he used various records to listen to his equipment; constantly evaluating &, more accurately, obsessing. I can't recall him EVER chillin' & enjoying the MUSIC!
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A good point Phil, but not applicable to everyone. To some, the critical listening IS the enjoyable listening.
I do get what you mean though and we have been around the block a few times on this over the years here. At some point, determined by the user, you stop chasing down those small increases in SQ and just sit back and enjoy the music. Some stop earlier than others, and for different reasons, no biggie. Music is the main focus, not the gear.
Do I enjoy others low fi system ? Sure....why not ? Unless the music hurts my ears, like Korn on a set of low end klipsch, I enjoy music on anything. Do I prefer it on a better system ? Of coarse, but never stopped me from having a good time. One thing that has become apparent to me anyway, in the differences between low rent systems and better ones, is since music can be very emotional I find the better systems bring that quality out in the music much more even in a casual environment. All preferences aside, just enjoy the music wherever you are, on whatever is available.
Yeah Tony I know exactly what you're saying. But for me personally the critical listening part was exactly that...critical. No matter how good things sounded I was always wondering if I tried another cable, power cord, IC, etc.... that it would get even better. From my experience the changes simply brought me a preceived different sound which in itself doesn't mean a better sound. And one of the biggest lesson's I've learned is that spending more money on so called upgrades means zilch when it comes to the sound. It's very easy to get caught in the critical listening thing & also just as easy to change to enjoyable listening...where I'm at now. No more listening for that extra pluk of the guitar string. It's all good no matter what flotes your boat but for me I am at peace with my system & can kick back & simply enjoy!!!! Hell I'm having so much fun I'm giving serious thought the Yamaha AVENTAGE A3010 AVR to expand on my fun & crank out a 9.2 system to take full advantage of my movie enjoyment. Having mentioned another AVR I just might have to turn my card in because we all know that you're not allowed to listen to music thru an AVR & say it sounds "stellar". :cool:"2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
In our hobby there are three types of people.
Those who listen to music and enjoy music, Those who enjoy the equipment, and those who enjoy both the musical aspect and the technical aspect of music reproduction. Which of the three are you?
I definitely fall into the first category, I always have. I enjoyed listening to The Carpenters when I had a cheap plastic record player, to listening to it on a Sony record player, to listening to it on CD cd player to listening to it on my mp3 player & through my pc.
Have they sounded better on the different pieces of gear? Of course, but that has never stopped me from enjoying the songs no matter what they were playing on because I simply LOVED the songs.pearsall001 wrote: »The moment you erase the words "critical listeningl" from your mind set & replace them with "enjoyable listening" you will be set free & realize what this as all about. :cool:
It's even better when you don't even know what that means. I had never heard of the term till I joined this forum! Now that doesn't mean that I didn't subconsciously do it before, because I'm sure I did, but I only did it to make sure I would be happy with the gear before I took it out of the store. Once I got it set up & working I was a happy camper.
To each their own, but for me, life is too short to spend it listening to something just to find something wrong with it so that I can
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Lolo!...made my day with this one!I would say you probably would get the grant.Everyone else get's grants for just about anything.Nice post Bro!..nice.nooshinjohn wrote: »Sitting in front of my Magnepan MG-20's right now with my eyes closed most of the time as a varied assortment of music from AC/DC to Glenn Miller streams from the I-phone... I have to tell you that letting the music fully envelope my mind is doing a better job of relieving pain than the vicodine has done. Music appreciation and the ability to sink into the words and melody via a great system does more for the body and soul than pills can do.
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I too agree that it is all about the music. Funny thing is, that I find myself listening to the discs that "sound" better on my system way more than some other discs. Drives my wife crazy! She can't understand why I listen to the same stuff all of the time i.e. Norah Jones early stuff, Indigo Girls: Rite of Passage and Tom Petty: Wildflowers.
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nooshinjohn wrote: »Sitting in front of my Magnepan MG-20's right now with my eyes closed most of the time as a varied assortment of music from AC/DC to Glenn Miller streams from the I-phone... I have to tell you that letting the music fully envelope my mind is doing a better job of relieving pain than the vicodine has done. Music appreciation and the ability to sink into the words and melody via a great system does more for the body and soul than pills can do.
I wonder if I can get a government grant to fund a 5 year study? if I can, then world class rigs will be as important as prescription drugs!:cheesygrin:
Music can do wonders.
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To me, "critical listening" means "Did you hear that guitar lick?" or "Can you pick out the third harmony part?" much more than anything else.
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To me, "critical listening" means "Did you hear that guitar lick?" or "Can you pick out the third harmony part?" much more than anything else.
It only counts as critical listening if you can pick up 1/4 lick. Otherwise your system needs an overhaul."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
