I hope he has a slow, miserable death

F1nut

http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/11/eduardo-saverin-facebook-ipo-us-citizenshi/?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-nb%7Cdl15%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D160120

gdb

Nice of you to say.:eek:

gdb

I don't know how the "razzie" got there !

polkfarmboy

Surely there must be some kind of law against such a thing? If not then maybe this can be example of why the government should pass such a bill

mdaudioguy

It's a free country. You're free to leave. You're not free to come back.

obieone

I wonder if the OWS pinheads will start deleting their accounts in protest?:rolleyes:

brgman

I think this guy just kicked the door open for all the elites spouting fair share BS.Now they can say they denounce their citizenship,get off the tax burden,and then claim it's because the US is such a bad country and they are "making a statement" about how unfair we are.

tonyb

obieone wrote: »

I wonder if the OWS pinheads will start deleting their accounts in protest?:rolleyes:

Yeah right....hypocracy is the staple of that crowd.

This guy is a dweeb, I mean, how much money do you really need to enjoy life ? You have billions, more than you can spend and enough to keep your family in the easy chair for generations to come.

As a side note, the amount of people dumping their citizenship has greatly gone up over the last 4 years. The most came under Clinton though in '97. As a percentage of the population though, it's not even worth mentioning it's so small. People leave all the time, but usually after they come here and make all their coin, then off they go. Wait until the new guy in France kicks it up to 75%, then you'll see some big buck cats moving their stuff to friendlier waters.

tonyb

mdaudioguy wrote: »

It's a free country. You're free to leave. You're not free to come back.

Well now, that depends.....if your from south of the border.

George Grand

Renouncing citizenship is BS. You really want to make a statement? Leave the planet.

WilliamM2

Did anyone notice that he wasn't born here, and hasn't lived here in years? Maybe if the government didn't feel they were entitled to 50% of his income, he would have remained a citizen.

maximillian

Death is a little over the top. I say... total body cavity searches every time he wants to return to the US by a TSA agent named Bubba.

bmbguy

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Did anyone notice that he wasn't born here, and hasn't lived here in years? Maybe if the government didn't feel they were entitled to 50% of his income, he would have remained a citizen.

Bingo.

brgman

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Did anyone notice that he wasn't born here, and hasn't lived here in years? Maybe if the government didn't feel they were entitled to 50% of his income, he would have remained a citizen.

But but but....that's his fair share isn't it? At least 50%.Maybe 90%,yea,that's the ticket,90% tax on everyone with a job making more than 50k a year.

BlueFox

brgman wrote: »

But but but....that's his fair share isn't it? At least 50%.Maybe 90%,yea,that's the ticket,90% tax on everyone with a job making more than 50k a year.

Some day you might make 50K a year.

nooshinjohn

George Grand wrote: »

Renouncing citizenship is BS. You really want to make a statement? Leave the planet.

Getting a little lonely up there in outer space George?:cheesygrin:

cnh

I think George has something there. After all, wasn't that exactly what Tim Leary was trying to do?

On another note, the Zuckerberg crowd and the "Look-at-my-face(bxxx)" boys and girls just turn my stomach. It's a sad day in America when individuals can become "billionaires" off an idea that "any" good computer programmer could implement in a few weeks! And that's American innovation? (from "landing on the moon to 'friending people')--surely history is laughing at us already! And at the fools who will buy into an IPO that does nothing, produces nothing, and is mostly about Solomon's "vanity and fixation of the spirit".

Crotchety aging guy retires to his morning oatmeal! lol

cnh

newrival

He's only been a citizen for 14 years, raised in Brazil, came to the US for college, made a few billion, and now because of uncompetitive tax rates in the US he's moving on again. And for that he deserves a slow miserable death? give me a break

mdaudioguy

cnh wrote: »

It's a sad day in America when individuals can become "billionaires" off an idea that "any" good computer programmer could implement in a few weeks!

But, he DID. And he executed and promoted it well. How many million "good" computer programmers didn't? Don't we all dream of coming up with that one great idea or invention?

I think I sense a little jealousy!

DISCLAIMER: I don't have a facebook account, nor do I desire to... I enjoy my privacy.

cnh

Jealousy! Really. It's more depression. I have so many friends in that business who could run circles around someone like Zuckerberg, and who live on the edge. You guys who focus on "success" and the success of "individuals" in the market, ONLY. The "winners"/"losers" scenario need to wake up and realize how MUCH talent in this country is LOST/WASTED because some "ham and eggers" who were at the right place at the right time make it and others with superior talents never do. This is a nation full of "fantastic people and talent" but only the P.T. Barnums make it most of the time. That's pretty much what Mr. Z is when compared to those others. What a shame? And it also leads to the false notion that those people who succeed, succeed mostly or only because they are superior! Really, people still believe that? One look at our politicians should debunk that idea!

Do you. honestly, think that we're living in a "meritocracy"? Now that is funny!

cnh

F1nut

newrival wrote: »

He's only been a citizen for 14 years, raised in Brazil, came to the US for college, made a few billion, and now because of uncompetitive tax rates in the US he's moving on again. And for that he deserves a slow miserable death? give me a break

You can join him!

newrival

cnh wrote: »

I think George has something there. After all, wasn't that exactly what Tim Leary was trying to do?

On another note, the Zuckerberg crowd and the "Look-at-my-face(bxxx)" boys and girls just turn my stomach. It's a sad day in America when individuals can become "billionaires" off an idea that "any" good computer programmer could implement in a few weeks! And that's American innovation? (from "landing on the moon to 'friending people')--surely history is laughing at us already! And at the fools who will buy into an IPO that does nothing, produces nothing, and is mostly about Solomon's "vanity and fixation of the spirit".

Crotchety aging guy retires to his morning oatmeal! lol

cnh

Sorry but this is historically ignorant, especially for a crotchety old guy Since the destruction of European competition through WWII, suburbanization of the 50's, and the great wealth collection of the American people following these events, popular culture is exactly where profits are made.

The fact that something is easy to implement has absolutely nothing to do with the viability of it being an innovation. I hear statements like this all the time: "I could've come up with that," or "any idiot could've done that." well, then why didn't they? How much money did landing on the moon make directly? not a dime. It spurred billions in offshoots, as well as stirred scientific development and inspired thousands of children to be scientists for decades, but it didn't directly achieve monetary gain. Furthermore, there are literally thousands of scientific innovations happening every month in this country, and it's been that way, but in the last number of decades, they never get the attention a popular culture innovation will simply by definition.

Like it or not, digital social networking is a HUGE innovation. It is another large leap in the information age we are in. Inertia is a difficult thing for aging folks to handle when it comes to change. It brings up cognitive bias know as rosy retrospection, or "the golden age fallacy." This is the untrue assertion that the simpler life of their youth was a superior one. While it may have been more comfortable for the person resistant to change, it was by no means better. Progression and change can be a great thing, if one can get over there fears of it.

newrival

F1nut wrote: »

You can join him!

wow, you must be miserable. Hope you can find a little happiness in your life outside of someone else's pain.

cnh

newrival wrote: »

Sorry but this is historically ignorant, especially for a crotchety old guy Since the destruction of European competition through WWII, suburbanization of the 50's, and the great wealth collection of the American people following these events, popular culture is exactly where profits are made.

The fact that something is easy to implement has absolutely nothing to do with the viability of it being an innovation. I hear statements like this all the time: "I could've come up with that," or "any idiot could've done that." well, then why didn't they? How much money did landing on the moon make directly? not a dime. It spurred billions in offshoots, as well as stirred scientific development and inspired thousands of children to be scientists for decades, but it didn't directly achieve monetary gain. Furthermore, there are literally thousands of scientific innovations happening every month in this country, and it's been that way, but in the last number of decades, they never get the attention a popular culture innovation will simply by definition.

Like it or not, digital social networking is a HUGE innovation. It is another large leap in the information age we are in. Inertia is a difficult thing for aging folks to handle when it comes to change. It brings up cognitive bias know as rosy retrospection, or "the golden age fallacy." This is the untrue assertion that the simpler life of their youth was a superior one. While it may have been more comfortable for the person resistant to change, it was by no means better. Progression and change can be a great thing, if one can get over there fears of it.

Digital social networking is/was inevitable. Any number of individuals "did" have that idea at the same time or earlier. Mr. Z succeeded in the way most do, by eliminating the competition.

No ONE is making an argument against social networking or the internet. Certainly not I. And if you don't think there are thousands upon thousands of really creative and brilliant people living quiet and undistinguished lives in this country it is you and not I who is not in touch with reality. I meet people, all the time who are surprisingly gifted and capable but don't care about becoming billionaires or are more concerned with their family, or just like to tinker, or read, or paint, or write, or compose music and who are off the charts. Spectacular in fact. Do you mean to argue against that?

What I don't like, because it feeds American stereotypes (and you can read a section of Kurt Vonnegut's S-5 for a full expose on how the average American is taught to internalize the following, "If you're so smart, how come "YOU" haven't made it?") Which is the reverse of your argument. People are taught they're not as "good" as those who make it and give up, and even learn to hate themselves instead of making the wonderful contribution to society that they could have.

Let's take a concrete example that combines what you've written above, and my thoughts in a symbiotic manner.

Hollywood films are big budget films. Often Hollywood is timid and tends to retrace successes with Film 1, 2, 3, 4. Instead of risking something on a new film--precisely because it is "profitable". Independent film makers (who can now use the internet and social media in the way you suggest) have tons and tons and tons of fresh new ideas. They rarely make much but enjoy what they're doing and even move to the Big Time now and then. Or might even influence the Big Time which appropriates some of their ideas for a big budget film.

Nonetheless, even in the Indy film scene there is NOW a pecking order that shuts many talented people out. Wouldn't you or I want a system that allows "everyone" a chance rather than one which doesn't?

This is NOT an "age" thing, son. We were gazing the skies and wondering about computers and global communications while your generation was still in diapers. In fact, Billy Gates and Steve Jobs are some of "us". So how could we possibly be behind that curve? lol Mr. Z is just "slimey" to me, don't like the boy! But there are many others who are perfectly acceptable.

Your generation is going to tell "us" about "progress"! Half of us majored in math and science in High School because we were going to the moon. We're geeks raised on Sci-fi and fantasy. We bought the first PCs and are as technically proficient as the younger generation. A thing "unheard" of in previous times! We keep up with the latest toys and gadgets, have a knowledge base about AV that exceeds most youngsters. Have lived abroad and seen almost everything. And "we" resist change?

I think you've crossed some wires there. I just dislike facebook under M. Z's direction.

I would've preferred something like a Linux system of facebook, with little or no commercial presence and free access, no data collecting, etc. Those are my issues. And for full disclosure I am not a fan of Economics!

It would be nice if we stopped "apologizing" for what the wealthy do, though. Don't you think, or are you one of those Neoliberalism kind of guys! If so then count me out. I have a few courses that shred that idea!

cnh

tonyb

CNH-

If I could give you a standing ovation, I would. Excellent post my good man.

newrival

cnh wrote: »

Digital social networking is/was inevitable. Any number of individuals "did" have that idea at the same time or earlier. Mr. Z succeeded in the way most do, by eliminating the competition.

No ONE is making an argument against social networking or the internet. Certainly not I.

Fair enough, but you were asserting that it makes you sick that people make so much money from inventing it on the basis of it being so easy to implement.

And if you don't think there are thousands upon thousands of really creative and brilliant people living quiet and undistinguished lives in this country it is you and not I who is not in touch with reality. I meet people, all the time who are surprisingly gifted and capable but don't care about becoming billionaires or are more concerned with their family, or just like to tinker, or read, or paint, or write, or compose music and who are off the charts. Spectacular in fact. Do you mean to argue against that?

No, I never made such a statement. I would never. I, like you, know some brilliant people that for various reasons will always remain unknown on a large scale.

What I don't like, because it feeds American stereotypes (and you can read a section of Kurt Vonnegut's S-5 for a full expose on how the average American is taught to internalize the following, "If you're so smart, how come "YOU" haven't made it?") Which is the reverse of your argument. People are taught they're not as "good" as those who make it and give up, and even learn to hate themselves instead of making the wonderful contribution to society that they could have.

thanks for the source, I will check it out. Although, I believe, as many others do, that possessing the ability to perform a task, and being able to recognizing a unique application of the task, are two different things, and is at the crux of my point.

Let's take a concrete example that combines what you've written above, and my thoughts in a symbiotic manner.

Hollywood films are big budget films. Often Hollywood is timid and tends to retrace successes with Film 1, 2, 3, 4. Instead of risking something on a new film--precisely because it is "profitable". Independent film makers (who can now use the internet and social media in the way you suggest) have tons and tons and tons of fresh new ideas. They rarely make much but enjoy what they're doing and even move to the Big Time now and then. Or might even influence the Big Time which appropriates some of their ideas for a big budget film.

Nonetheless, even in the Indy film scene there is NOW a pecking order that shuts many talented people out. Wouldn't you or I want a system that allows "everyone" a chance rather than one which doesn't?

Sure I would want a system that type of system, but I'm sorry, I don't follow what symbolism you're conveying.

This is NOT an "age" thing, son. We were gazing the skies and wondering about computers and global communications while your generation was still in diapers.

And people were doing like wise for milenia before that.

Billy Gates and Steve Jobs are some of "us". So how could we possibly be behind that curve? lol Mr. Z is just "slimey" to me, don't like the boy! But there are many others who are perfectly acceptable.

Your generation is going to tell "us" about "progress"! Half of us majored in math and science in High School because we were going to the moon. We're geeks raised on Sci-fi and fantasy. We bought the first PCs and are as technically proficient as the younger generation. A thing "unheard" of in previous times! We keep up with the latest toys and gadgets, have a knowledge base about AV that exceeds most youngsters. Have lived abroad and seen almost everything. And "we" resist change?

I think I got sidetracked in my point. I think it is clear, though, that I was saying much of the same things about your generation and science. My point was that while obviously going to the moon was revolutionary, it didn't directly make money. Scientific discoveries rarely do. I was pointing out that scientific revolutions and pop culture ones share little to make comparisons upon. And I am not saying any one generation is resistant to change, ALL generations have those who resist change.

I think you've crossed some wires there. I just dislike facebook under M. Z's direction.

I would've preferred something like a Linux system of facebook, with little or no commercial presence and free access, no data collecting, etc. Those are my issues. And for full disclosure I am not a fan of Economics!

cnh

then I misunderstood your post
I'm with you on the data collecting, but I'm afraid it is the orwelian future we are now committed to.

Perhaps

newrival

double

kevhed72

My kids some day will be asking, "What was Facebook?" Way too overvalued....

F1nut

newrival wrote: »

wow, you must be miserable. Hope you can find a little happiness in your life outside of someone else's pain.

Nah, I'm very happy. The only thing that would make me happier is for you not to post here as there's just something wrong with your thinker.

gdb

Jeeze....one minute the "conservative" captains of industry who detest paying any taxes are deified for flushing US jobs in favor of bolstering the stockholders bottom line by shipping jobs "overseas", the next...........they should be demonized and suffer a protracted death ??? Please to'ah make up'ah you fooking minds ! Ya really can't walk it both ways !

tommyt21

I agree F1Nut however I am pissed that I made a similar thread a couple days ago and it was deleted. But since you are a senior member I'm sure everything will be fine