Dumb things you've heard from "audiophiles"...

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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited April 2012
    BeefJerky wrote: »
    Yep, and I have no problem admitting that my claims were wrong; about power cords anyway.

    How do you know personally you are/were wrong? You still haven't even heard another power cable to compare to the ones you currently have, correct? Just because an oscillascope "shows" a difference in power cables, that doesn't mean you would hear the difference. You definately haven't/wouldn't if you haven't heard any other power cables.

    BeefJerky wrote: »
    I like a good discussion/debate. I've already stated why I had no desire to try them myself prior to some evidence of difference.

    Perhaps you won't recieve the evidence until you actually try them for yourself. A machine doesn't dictate audio reality does it? Your ears, brain, and consciousness do. (again I'll say this......)

    Greg
    Relayer-Big-O-Poster.jpg
    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....


    "Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson

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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited April 2012
    I've had revealing setups on the cheap, spending money is not the point. So yeah, I have a very expensive setup now but my real interest has always been in setting up systems as cheap as possible which sound as good at least in some ways than a system that costs 20 times more. You are not stuck! Those MITs will some day be on something different and instead of a moderate improvement they will make a massive improvement. So what is cheap? Under $500 for everything? Under $800? Under $2100? For those prices you can do some pretty impressive things. Truthfully at $2K is where you can really hit some significant bench marks.
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited April 2012
    Isn't it time to start in on Emotiva or Bose at this point ? This topic is pretty well hammered out. it's gotten to the point that I'm able to use it as an aid for getting to sleep.:lol:
  • sda2mike
    sda2mike Posts: 3,131
    edited April 2012
    gdb wrote: »
    Isn't it time to start in on Emotiva or Bose at this point ? This topic is pretty well hammered out. it's gotten to the point that I'm able to use it as an aid for getting to sleep.:lol:

    i use it as an aid in moving my bowels
  • BeefJerky
    BeefJerky Posts: 1,320
    edited April 2012
    headrott wrote: »
    How do you know personally you are/were wrong? You still haven't even heard another power cable to compare to the ones you currently have, correct? Just because an oscillascope "shows" a difference in power cables, that doesn't mean you would hear the difference. You definately haven't/wouldn't if you haven't heard any other power cables.
    You say that I cannot read and comprehend your comments, yet you turn around ask this, which I have already answered. So, let me lay it out for you:
    a) I believed that there was absolutely no audible difference in power cables to anybody.
    b) DK performed tests proving that there were noise level differences between power cables. He also pointed to two well-regarded studies that showed that some people could hear levels of noise even less than the levels that he measured.
    c) From that we can come to a solid conclusion that some people would be able to tell the difference between power cables.
    d) I say no one can, but then DK proves that some can. Hence, I was wrong.

    Any questions???
    Perhaps you won't recieve the evidence until you actually try them for yourself. A machine doesn't dictate audio reality does it? Your ears, brain, and consciousness do. (again I'll say this......)
    Yes, we know that you think science has no place in the audio world. I don't think you've ever come out and said it directly, but your constant railing against others who want scientific evidence show that this is what you believe.
  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited April 2012
    :lol:
    sda2mike wrote: »
    i use it as an aid in moving my bowels

    Has it a scouring effect, has it , or is it more virus-like ?? :lol:
  • sda2mike
    sda2mike Posts: 3,131
    edited April 2012
    gdb wrote: »
    :lol:

    Has it a scouring effect, has it , or is it more virus-like ?? :lol:

    hmmm...more of an associative effect...when you see big piles, you make big piles
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited April 2012
    headrott, see..........the question was never (can BJ) hear a difference. The question was can anyone else hear a difference. Completely assbackwards way of doing it, I know. Most could gives a rats a$$ if other people can hear a difference and care more about if they could hear a difference.

    Hence, my fascination with the naysayer crowd that always wants proof (I) can hear a difference as if because I do, they will..............of course having never tried it or experimented with it.

    Sometimes I feel like I am in Bizzaro-Land.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited April 2012
    The situation BJ just caused for himself is a bias, because now that scientifically it has been shown that audible differences are possible he's going to approach his listening session (I know that's a BIG assumption on my part that he will actually experiment) differently than if he had never read the study. That could be a good or bad thing.

    I know, he will deny this has any effect on his perceptions, but you can't put the rabbit back in the hat. Then again I doubt very much he will be swapping cables listening intently for differences. So it's probably a moot point.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited April 2012
    heiney9 wrote: »
    headrott, see..........the question was never (can BJ) hear a difference. The question was can anyone else hear a difference. Completely assbackwards way of doing it, I know. Most could gives a rats a$$ if other people can hear a difference and care more about if they could hear a difference.

    Hence, my fascination with the naysayer crowd that always wants proof (I) can hear a difference as if because I do, they will..............of course having never tried it or experimented with it.

    Sometimes I feel like I am in Bizzaro-Land.

    H9

    Especially when part of the scientific method is that you observe a phenomina when you are testing a hypothesis. In BeefJerky's "scientific method" someone else observes a phenomina and reports to him the results, then BeefJerky decides if the hypothesis is true or false.


    Greg
    Relayer-Big-O-Poster.jpg
    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....


    "Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson

    "Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee
  • sda2mike
    sda2mike Posts: 3,131
    edited April 2012
    c'mon oatmeal!
  • halo71
    halo71 Posts: 4,602
    edited April 2012
    Okay, what other dumb $hit has anyone got to comment on? Besides me starting this damn thread of course......:rolleyes:


    I am still kinda hung up on the thought someone told me that I can not tell a difference between my Onkyo Integra M504 and my old H&K power amp. OR that I can not tell a difference between my OLD Technics receiver and a newer model Onkyo receiver....in pure 2 channel listening.
    --Gary--
    Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out.
  • gimpod
    gimpod Posts: 1,793
    edited April 2012
    Nice to see things haven't changed around here. 10 pages and 288 posts.:rolleyes:

    SSDD


    BTW: If I **** while posting dose it smell when you read it.?
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  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited April 2012
    gimpod wrote: »
    Nice to see things haven't changed around here. 10 pages and 288 posts.:rolleyes:

    SSDD


    BTW: If I **** while posting dose it smell when you read it.?

    It did and I almost threw up in my mouth. What's weird is that I imagined would it would smell like and it actually caused a chemical reaction in my brain which made me gag.
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,957
    edited April 2012
    . What's weird is that I imagined what this thread would smell like and it actually caused a chemical reaction in my brain which made me gag.

    Fixed it for ya.

    I say we all give Halo a swirley in a ball park toilet for starting this turkey.:cheesygrin:
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited April 2012
    BTW: If I **** while posting dose it smell when you read it.?

    Can your bubbles be distinguished when rising in a Jacuzzi ?? Can others discern which are yours ? How do you know if someone actually picked yours out correctly? :lol:
  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited April 2012
    tonyb wrote: »
    Fixed it for ya.

    I say we all give Halo a swirley in a ball park toilet for starting this turkey.:cheesygrin:

    I gave a kid a swirly once and almost had to deal with some legal troubles. I'm OUT.
  • gimpod
    gimpod Posts: 1,793
    edited April 2012
    It did and I almost threw up in my mouth. What's weird is that I imagined would it would smell like and it actually caused a chemical reaction in my brain which made me gag.

    Believe me if you were here you would have thrown up in your mouth, I almost did it was so bad I had to go outside for awhile. Oh well I guess I should lay off the burritos.
    gdb wrote: »
    BTW: If I **** while posting dose it smell when you read it.?

    Can your bubbles be distinguished when rising in a Jacuzzi ?? Can others discern which are yours ? How do you know if someone actually picked yours out correctly? :lol:

    If the bubbles are brown and the smell actually makes you vomit, Then yes I'll gladly take ownership. :cheesygrin:


    Any takers on how long before this thread get shut down.:question:
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited April 2012
    How long can a **** linger ????
  • gimpod
    gimpod Posts: 1,793
    edited April 2012
    gdb wrote: »
    How long can a **** linger ????

    It took about 15 minutes before it was safe to go back in the office and that was with a fan running. :eek:
    “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” ~ Mark Twain
  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited April 2012
    I went grocery shopping recently while not being altogether sure that course of action was a wise one. You see, the previous evening I had prepared and consumed a massive quantity of my patented 'You're definitely going to crap yourself' chili. Tasty stuff, albeit hot to the point of being painful, which comes with a written guarantee from me that if you eat the next day both of your a$$ cheeks WILL fall off.

    Here's the thing. I had awakened that morning, and even after two cups of coffee (and all of you know what I mean) nothing happened. No 'Watson's Movement 2'.

    Despite habanera peppers swimming their way through my intestinal tract, I appeared to be unable to create the usual morning symphony referred to by my next door neighbors as thunder and lightning.

    Knowing that a time of reckoning had to come, yet not sure of just when, I bravely set off for the market; a local Wal-Mart grocery store that I often haunt in search of tasty tidbits.

    Upon entering the store at first all seemed normal. I selected a cart and began pushing it about dropping items in for purchase. It wasn't until I was at the opposite end of the store from the restrooms that the pain hit me. Oh, don't look at me like you don't know what I'm talking about. I'm referring to that 'Uh oh, gotta go' pain that always seems to hit us at the wrong time. The thing is, this pain was different.

    The habaneras in the chili from the night before were staging a revolt. In a mad rush for freedom they bullied their way through the small intestines, forcing their way into the large intestines, and before I could take one step in the direction of the restrooms which would bring sweet and juicy like these ****. relief, it happened. The peppers fired a warning shot.

    There I stood, alone in the spice and baking aisle, suddenly enveloped in a noxious cloud the likes of which has never before been recorded. I was afraid to move for fear that more of this vile odor might escape me. Slowly, oh so slowly, the pressure seemed to leave the lower part of my body, and I began to move up the aisle and out of it, just as an elderly woman turned into it.

    I don't know what made me do it, but I stopped to see what her reaction would be to the malodorous effluvium that refused to dissipate, as she walked into it unsuspecting. Have you ever been torn in two different directions emotionally? Here's what I mean, and I'm sure some of you at least will be able to relate.

    I could've warned that poor woman but didn't. I simply watched as she walked into an invisible, and apparently indestructible, wall of odor so terrible that all she could do before gathering her senses and running, was to stand there blinking and waving her arms about her head as though trying to ward off angry bees. This, of course, made me feel terrible, but then made me laugh. Mistake.

    Here's the thing. When you laugh, it's hard to keep things 'clamped down', if you know what I mean. With each new guffaw an explosive issue burst forth from my nether region. Some were so loud and echoing that I was later told a few folks in other aisles had ducked, fearing that someone was robbing the store and firing off a shotgun.

    Suddenly things were no longer funny. IT was coming, and I raced off through the store towards the restrooms, laying down a cloud the whole way, praying that I'd make it before the grand mal assplosion took place.

    Luck was on my side. Just in the nick of time I got to the john, began the inevitable 'Oh my God', floating above the toilet seat because my **** is burning SO BAD, purging.

    One poor fellow walked in while I was in the middle of what is the true meaning of 'Shock and Awe'. He made a gagging sound, and disgustedly said, 'Sonofabitch!', then quickly left.

    Once finished I left the restroom, reacquired my partially filled cart intending to carry on with my shopping when a store employee approached me and said, 'Sir, you might want to step outside for a few minutes. It appears some prankster set off a stink bomb in the store. The manager is going to run the vent fans on high for a minute or two which ought to take care of the problem.'

    That of course set me off again, causing residual gases to escape me. The employee took one sniff, jumped back pulling his shirt up to cover his nose and, pointing at me in an accusing manner shouted, 'IT'S YOU!', then ran off returning moments later with the manager. I was unceremoniously escorted from the premises and asked none too kindly not to return.

    Home again without having shopped, I realized that there was nothing to eat but leftover chili, so I consumed two more bowls. The next day I went to shop at Albertson's. I can't say anymore about that because we are in court over the whole matter. The **** claim they're going to have to repaint the store. Anyone gonna dispute this cause/effect tale ???:mrgreen:
  • gimpod
    gimpod Posts: 1,793
    edited April 2012
    gdb Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, I haven't laughed so hard in years I had tears running down my face. A true literary masterpiece. It should be printed on the best velum, framed and proudly hung for all to read. :lol::lol:
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited April 2012
    Just tryin to be the voice of reason on this thread !:wink:
  • chumlie
    chumlie Posts: 8,658
    edited April 2012
    gdb wrote: »
    Just tryin to be the voice of reason on this thread !:wink:
    Congrats. Still crying over this one. Best yuk i've had here at club polk. You are truely the voice of reason. THANKS !!!
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,396
    edited April 2012
    Funny as hell there GDB, but I smelled plagarizing rat...

    http://www.exit109.com/~mstevens/walban.html

    If you are going to cut and paste, at least give the author the credit:loneranger:


    The guy that posted this was not the author, but he did say where he got it from.
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited April 2012
    Report me to Congress would'ya nooshie ?:rolleyes: I just pasted it the same as TNRabbit did. Why do you insist on acting like a pissant ??
  • chumlie
    chumlie Posts: 8,658
    edited April 2012
    gdb wrote: »
    Report me to Congress would'ya nooshie ?:rolleyes: I just pasted it the same as TNRabbit did. Why do you insist on acting like a pissant ??
    Who cares. Still a good yuk. THANKS
  • halo71
    halo71 Posts: 4,602
    edited April 2012
    lmao....dude, you got busted! You did sorta act like it was yours.....
    --Gary--
    Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out.
  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited April 2012
    Similar idea to my last post, huh? Ironic, isn't it?

    Greg
    Relayer-Big-O-Poster.jpg
    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....


    "Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson

    "Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee
  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited April 2012
    halo71 wrote: »
    lmao....dude, you got busted! You did sorta act like it was yours.....


    Hardly, did'ya happen to read the last few words of the post ? "Anyone gonna dispute this cause/effect tale ???" (dead giveaway)
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