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cstmar01

Face wrote: »

People are free to believe what they want, but religion does not belong in public schools. Those "whackadoos" I'm referring to are those pushing to have it brought to the schools and forcing their religious views onto others. And no, I would not consider myself a liberal.

Agreed. If people want to teach a certain religion in a school then they should go to a private school where that religion is taught or teach their children at home.

For the record I also do not consider myself liberal and also went to a private school for about 9 years.

rebuy

Mr. Face, get a life and quit blaming your ignorance on "religious whackadoos". You're no better than the folks at ABC that put on shows like GCB (Good Christian ****) by attacking people who actually think outside the "Darwin Box". While there is ample evidence of prehistoric life, it does not "prove" anything that is taught in schools about evolution being a fact. Last time I checked it was called the "Theory of Evolution", so it also must be open to being just a passing thought to the ever enlightened mind like yourself who cannot accept that the theory is just that, a theory. Yet, when someone else chooses not to think like you, and perhaps they think bigger than you can imagine, you call them names. Regardless of what I believe, I'm tired of people in this country (like you) who want to blame the ill's of society on people who go to church and have faith.

Next time you get sick, don't you dare go to a hospital that has a church affiliation. Go to a Darwin or an Atheist hospital or even go to a Muslim hospital. I'm sure you'll find plenty of them to help you with your malady.

There is a separation of church and state, but not a separation of a man and what he believes.

Next time you go to Arlington or any cemetery , tell the grounds keeper that you want all the crosses removed from the grounds because this is not a Christian nation and they are just a bunch of "religious whackadoos" in there and you demand the separation of church and state, why should Christian Symbols be allowed in state run facilities? Put little dinosaurs on all the graves so we won't offend anyone with others narrow thinking. Take out any religious symbols from any state run cemetery including Crosses, Star of David, Pentagrams, Crescents and Moons, Stars, anything that might offend You and your friends.

I also think we need to change the name of the Pentagon newspaper (The Pentagram) since it has a name that is steeping in the occult and might be endorsing witchcraft and Wiccans over other Faiths that we now can't talk about.

If you're going to ban Christmas from the public arena because of a separation of church and state, then anything with any kind of religious background should be banned in kind. Halloween, St Patties Day, Easter, Kwanzaa, Ramadan, Passover, All should be equally banned and not mentioned in the public arena where politics and the state are involved.

By doing this we will stop all this petty bickering by people (like you) who want us to think inside the box, and we will be more reflective of the USSR of the 50's and 60's. That worked out real well for them.

Have a thinking day.

nooshinjohn

rebuy wrote: »

There is a separation of church and state, but not a separation of a man and what he believes.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

The "separation of church/state" docrine does not exist in the Constitution, but a hands off policy does. All this clause was meant to do was to stop the Federal Government from forcing you to believe in a certain religion. Secularism(the religion of the fed) has been shown to be a religion by the Supreme Court, and they have been forcing it down our throats for decades.:rolleyes:

The doctrine of separation has its roots in "Everson vs. the Board of Education" SC case from 1947... needless to say a Progressive Court got it wrong.

Timothy Smith

It's referred to as Darwin's "Theory of evolution" and not "Fact of Evolution" for a reason.

It may, or may not, co-exist with other possible explanations like "Divine Creation" or "Intelligent Design".

I have a friend at work that insists that dinosaurs co-existed with man because of references in the Bible. I tell her that it's not necessary to prove that dinosaurs and man lived at the same time to have faith, so it's a false arguement. If God exists, we don't make the rules for him.

Even Darwin himself was disappointed that his theory could explain the how, but not the why, since he admitted that it didn't explain how life originally began (some sort of creation?).

Suggest you watch Ben Stein's "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" for a alternate and even humorous take on the subject. Mostly about academia's hostility (almost "religious" if you will) toward anyone that thinks outside the box, but it also touches on the dark side of the logical conclusion of Darwins "survival of the fittest" and how that played into Hitler's totalitarian view of culture, race, and genocide.

WilliamM2

So believing in divine creation, as millions have for hundreds, if not thousands of years, is thinking outside the box? And if evolution is not true, than creationism is true? Yeah, that's logical thinking.

steveinaz

There's nothing logical about faith, either you get it, or you don't. It's really just that simple.

steveinaz

audiocr381ve wrote: »

What's not stupid to you?

Not much these days.

Timothy Smith

WilliamM2 wrote: »

So believing in divine creation, as millions have for hundreds, if not thousands of years, is thinking outside the box? And if evolution is not true, than creationism is true? Yeah, that's logical thinking.

I think that evolution to the exclusion of anything else is one box, and biblical creationism to the exclusion of everything else is a different box. Why do you have to deny and discredit one completely to believe in the other? Is your faith in God or Science that frail?

Let's face it, I doubt little me or little you actually understand the grand scheme of things. We are probably more like ants looking at the space shuttle thinking "oh, I get how that works". Even though we are smart guys talking big on the Polk Forum.

BlueFox

rebuy wrote: »

Have a thinking day.

The perfect example of irony. :rolleyes:

WilliamM2

Timothy Smith wrote: »

I think that evolution to the exclusion of anything else is one box, and biblical creationism to the exclusion of everything else is a different box. Why do you have to deny and discredit one completely to believe in the other? Is your faith in God or Science that frail?

I think you missed my point, which was that if either is discredited, that doesn't make the other one true. I don't have to deny or discredit either.

nooshinjohn

WilliamM2 wrote: »

I think you missed my point, which was that if either is discredited, that doesn't make the other one true. I don't have to deny or discredit either.

The only theory that has been proven true beyond any reasonable doubt is that as a species, human-kind doesn't know **** from shinola.

That is a fact.

Polkersince85

I think all of the words on the list should be taught and students tested for knowledge thereof. It is all historically important and without the familiarity of the subjects, then the students are bound to repeat the mistakes of the past. It's called an education.

tonyb

WilliamM2 wrote: »

if either is discredited, that doesn't make the other one true. I don't have to deny or discredit either.

Absolutely William, spot on.

I would imagine though, we have bigger fish to fry than creationism. People will believe what they will, pointless to argue it, except when you start pushing one over the other in public schools. Why can't they teach both sides of the coin and let the kids make up their own minds with the help of their parents ?

Face

tonyb wrote: »

Absolutely William, spot on.

I would imagine though, we have bigger fish to fry than creationism. People will believe what they will, pointless to argue it, except when you start pushing one over the other in public schools. Why can't they teach both sides of the coin and let the kids make up their own minds with the help of their parents ?

Or teach the one where there is scientific evidence supporting it, opposed to a rough interpretation from a book that has stood the test of time?

headrott

So if I brought up the fact that dinosaurs are talked about in the Bible, would that make it even more imperative to ban the use of the word "dinosaur" in public schools?

Greg

sucks2beme

rebuy wrote: »

You're no better than the folks at ABC that put on shows like GCB (Good Christian ****)
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GCB is a bad show. But the inspiration for it it all to obvious to anyone living in Dallas.
Big hair, expensive tastes, and a big gold cross do not a christian make.

I am of the camp that is just fine with God and evolution. Science tends to make
the universe more divine rather than less.

Face

headrott wrote: »

So if I brought up the fact that dinosaurs are talked about in the Bible, would that make it even more imperative to ban the use of the word "dinosaur" in public schools?

Greg

Really? "Dinosaur" is in the bible? Or do you mean animals that are referred to with names no longer used to describe any animal. Just another "rough" translation.

Face

headrott wrote: »

So if I brought up the fact that dinosaurs are talked about in the Bible, would that make it even more imperative to ban the use of the word "dinosaur" in public schools?

Greg

And what about the small discrepancy between man and dinosaur fossils?

gimpod

Wow, We are getting closer!.

For those going on about the bible you do realize that it was put together by committee from books written several hundred years after the fact, Just saying.

Face

One last note, would those in favor to creationism being taught in schools also be comfortable with teaching of Sunni Islam in schools? Instead of a "Pledge of Allegiance", a prayer or Ṣalāh towards Mecca?

gdb

Most of these religous zealots live on the far right.........Republicans, for those who just moved to SoCal.

FTGV

After examining things like the incredible complexity of human and animal anatomy,the vastness of the universe,and experiencing the love and wonder of my children growing up in front of me I don't have enough faith to believe it all happened by mere chance.On the other hand the dinasour fossil record is undisputable.

headrott

Face wrote: »

Really? "Dinosaur" is in the bible? Or do you mean animals that are referred to with names no longer used to describe any animal. Just another "rough" translation.

Of course it's not the word "dinosaur" that is used in the bible. The word dinosaur was not used until approximately 150 years after the bible was translated to english. The word used is "bohemoth" (never looked up the original Hebrew word, however) and it goes on to describe what this creature looked like and how it behaved in relatively good detail.

Face wrote: »

And what about the small discrepancy between man and dinosaur fossils?

What about it?

Face wrote: »

One last note, would those in favor to creationism being taught in schools also be comfortable with teaching of Sunni Islam in schools? Instead of a "Pledge of Allegiance", a prayer or Ṣalāh towards Mecca?

I think nothing should be taught about how life started on the earth (in schools) until there are absolute concrete facts of how it happened. That goes for any religion, and/or any "science". Let the childrens' parents teach their kids how life began.

Greg

Timothy Smith

WilliamM2 wrote: »

I think you missed my point, which was that if either is discredited, that doesn't make the other one true. I don't have to deny or discredit either.

I don't think I missed your point. "proving" one is false does not prove the other is true.

How would you propose to, or even hope to, discredit either the existance of God or the theory of evolution?

We are ants looking at the space shuttle. If not, and you do understand the origins of the universe, please explain so I will know too.