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There is a separation of church and state, but not a separation of a man and what he believes.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...
The "separation of church/state" docrine does not exist in the Constitution, but a hands off policy does. All this clause was meant to do was to stop the Federal Government from forcing you to believe in a certain religion. Secularism(the religion of the fed) has been shown to be a religion by the Supreme Court, and they have been forcing it down our throats for decades.:rolleyes:
The doctrine of separation has its roots in "Everson vs. the Board of Education" SC case from 1947... needless to say a Progressive Court got it wrong.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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It's referred to as Darwin's "Theory of evolution" and not "Fact of Evolution" for a reason.
It may, or may not, co-exist with other possible explanations like "Divine Creation" or "Intelligent Design".
I have a friend at work that insists that dinosaurs co-existed with man because of references in the Bible. I tell her that it's not necessary to prove that dinosaurs and man lived at the same time to have faith, so it's a false arguement. If God exists, we don't make the rules for him.
Even Darwin himself was disappointed that his theory could explain the how, but not the why, since he admitted that it didn't explain how life originally began (some sort of creation?).
Suggest you watch Ben Stein's "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" for a alternate and even humorous take on the subject. Mostly about academia's hostility (almost "religious" if you will) toward anyone that thinks outside the box, but it also touches on the dark side of the logical conclusion of Darwins "survival of the fittest" and how that played into Hitler's totalitarian view of culture, race, and genocide.Norh ACA-2B tube pre, Sumo Andromeda SS amp. Magneplanar MMG speakers, M&K MX1250 Subwoofer, Pro-Ject RM1.3 Genie TT with Sumiko Pearl MM cart., Keces DAC, Cambridge Audio Azur 640c CD player -
So believing in divine creation, as millions have for hundreds, if not thousands of years, is thinking outside the box? And if evolution is not true, than creationism is true? Yeah, that's logical thinking.
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So believing in divine creation, as millions have for hundreds, if not thousands of years, is thinking outside the box? And if evolution is not true, than creationism is true? Yeah, that's logical thinking.
I think that evolution to the exclusion of anything else is one box, and biblical creationism to the exclusion of everything else is a different box. Why do you have to deny and discredit one completely to believe in the other? Is your faith in God or Science that frail?
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I think you missed my point, which was that if either is discredited, that doesn't make the other one true. I don't have to deny or discredit either.Timothy Smith wrote: »I think that evolution to the exclusion of anything else is one box, and biblical creationism to the exclusion of everything else is a different box. Why do you have to deny and discredit one completely to believe in the other? Is your faith in God or Science that frail? -
I think you missed my point, which was that if either is discredited, that doesn't make the other one true. I don't have to deny or discredit either.
The only theory that has been proven true beyond any reasonable doubt is that as a species, human-kind doesn't know **** from shinola.
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“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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I think all of the words on the list should be taught and students tested for knowledge thereof. It is all historically important and without the familiarity of the subjects, then the students are bound to repeat the mistakes of the past. It's called an education.>
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if either is discredited, that doesn't make the other one true. I don't have to deny or discredit either.
Absolutely William, spot on.
I would imagine though, we have bigger fish to fry than creationism. People will believe what they will, pointless to argue it, except when you start pushing one over the other in public schools. Why can't they teach both sides of the coin and let the kids make up their own minds with the help of their parents ?HT SYSTEM-
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Or teach the one where there is scientific evidence supporting it, opposed to a rough interpretation from a book that has stood the test of time?Absolutely William, spot on.
I would imagine though, we have bigger fish to fry than creationism. People will believe what they will, pointless to argue it, except when you start pushing one over the other in public schools. Why can't they teach both sides of the coin and let the kids make up their own minds with the help of their parents ?"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
So if I brought up the fact that dinosaurs are talked about in the Bible, would that make it even more imperative to ban the use of the word "dinosaur" in public schools?
Greg
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."![:\](https://forum.polkaudio.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
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You're no better than the folks at ABC that put on shows like GCB (Good Christian ****)
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GCB is a bad show. But the inspiration for it it all to obvious to anyone living in Dallas.
Big hair, expensive tastes, and a big gold cross do not a christian make.
I am of the camp that is just fine with God and evolution. Science tends to make
the universe more divine rather than less."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
Really? "Dinosaur" is in the bible? Or do you mean animals that are referred to with names no longer used to describe any animal. Just another "rough" translation.So if I brought up the fact that dinosaurs are talked about in the Bible, would that make it even more imperative to ban the use of the word "dinosaur" in public schools?
Greg"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
And what about the small discrepancy between man and dinosaur fossils?So if I brought up the fact that dinosaurs are talked about in the Bible, would that make it even more imperative to ban the use of the word "dinosaur" in public schools?
Greg
"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
Wow, We are getting closer!.
For those going on about the bible you do realize that it was put together by committee from books written several hundred years after the fact, Just saying.“The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” ~ Mark Twain -
One last note, would those in favor to creationism being taught in schools also be comfortable with teaching of Sunni Islam in schools? Instead of a "Pledge of Allegiance", a prayer or Ṣalāh towards Mecca?"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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Most of these religous zealots live on the far right.........Republicans, for those who just moved to SoCal.
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After examining things like the incredible complexity of human and animal anatomy,the vastness of the universe,and experiencing the love and wonder of my children growing up in front of me I don't have enough faith to believe it all happened by mere chance.On the other hand the dinasour fossil record is undisputable.
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Really? "Dinosaur" is in the bible? Or do you mean animals that are referred to with names no longer used to describe any animal. Just another "rough" translation.
Of course it's not the word "dinosaur" that is used in the bible. The word dinosaur was not used until approximately 150 years after the bible was translated to english. The word used is "bohemoth" (never looked up the original Hebrew word, however) and it goes on to describe what this creature looked like and how it behaved in relatively good detail.And what about the small discrepancy between man and dinosaur fossils?
What about it?One last note, would those in favor to creationism being taught in schools also be comfortable with teaching of Sunni Islam in schools? Instead of a "Pledge of Allegiance", a prayer or Ṣalāh towards Mecca?
I think nothing should be taught about how life started on the earth (in schools) until there are absolute concrete facts of how it happened. That goes for any religion, and/or any "science". Let the childrens' parents teach their kids how life began.
Greg
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
I think you missed my point, which was that if either is discredited, that doesn't make the other one true. I don't have to deny or discredit either.
I don't think I missed your point. "proving" one is false does not prove the other is true.
How would you propose to, or even hope to, discredit either the existance of God or the theory of evolution?
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