DD-WRT 54g router and QOS issues.

disneyjoe7

I moved this to a new thread, sorry I screwed up the other thread. Do Router die?


Anyway since the QOS isn't working maybe on the dd-wrt router, I'm going to rewire my network to get the Netgear N600 router to do the QOS, I still like the dd-wrt router to do a switch and wireless access. I find I can get a better signal in my house with the dd-wrt router vs. the Netgear N600 router.


Steve

bruss

ever tried tomato? it has a decent Qos subset

mantis

Take the WRT and throw it right in the trash. Get a 100+ dollar router with 10/100/1000 and if you need more ports get a gigabit switch like a net gear or D link. Routers can very in quality so buy the best one you can afford. Routing matter on the level you buy , buy cheap and get cheap.
Now lets go a bit deeper.
Apple Airport Extreme is one hell of a good router for under 200 bucks, they also make excellent WAPS meaning Wireless Access Point(sorry if you already know what that means just saying). This is a very powerful combo and can cover large homes with ease. Easy setup but no VPN so if you need VPN you have to go up the chain to a professional grade router and they start around 300+. Average price for a good VPN router starts around 600+ but you can get away with a 300 Cisco for the home use.
Switches can be unmanaged unless you know exactly how much data your going to be sending receiving per device. I like unmanaged for small home networks , easy to install which is a no brainer and usually never any traffic or NAT table issues.

disneyjoe7

Ok redid everything have the adsl modem / router which is wired to the NetGear N600 router. I removed the dd-wrt router, couldn't get it to work with the N600 nicely.

disneyjoe7

anonymouse wrote: »

which router are you using with dd-wrt?

wrt54g

Syndil

There are several model numbers in the N600 line, but if yours is the WNDR3400, it will have the lifetime warranty on it, so it's a good purchase. The rest all have standard 1-year warranties.

disneyjoe7

Wndr3700

Serendipity

That's what I was suggesting in the other thread, either use the Netgear or turn off all the "router" features and just use it as a switch or access point. Before, if I understood your network correctly, you had the following:

DSL Line --> Verizon Wireless Router --> Linksys Wireless Router --> Netgear WNDR3700 (wireless disabled)

Now are you looking to simplify and use the Netgear to do Quality of Service control while eliminating the Linksys DD-WRT router? I would think eliminating a series of daisy-chained routers would improve performance, IMO.

I would think this is a good idea.

Serendipity

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

Ok redid everything have the adsl modem / router which is wired to the NetGear N600 router. I removed the dd-wrt router, couldn't get it to work with the N600 nicely.

Is the ADSL modem/router being used as a modem or as a router? You should only have one of the routers doing DHCP and you should be turning off the "routing" features of the other units. Otherwise, I am not sure how this would work without encountering several problems.

Either use your Netgear WNDR3700 as a router, and keep the Linksys DD-WRT as an access point, but make sure the Linksys does not have DHCP enabled otherwise it will conflict with the Netgear router.

I don't think you can have 3 routers all performing "router" functions at the same time without encountering problems. You should use one of the units as an access point, another as a switch, and the last one as your main router. Example: DSL Modem --> Netgear Router --> Linksys as AP

disneyjoe7

The adsl modem is also a wireless, switch, and router. It's is also on the 1.x network. The other router N600 is on the 0.x network.

disneyjoe7

Serendipity wrote: »

DSL Line --> Verizon Wireless Router --> Linksys Wireless Router --> Netgear WNDR3700 (wireless disabled)

Now are you looking to simplify and use the Netgear to do Quality of Service control while eliminating the Linksys DD-WRT router? I would think eliminating a series of daisy-chained routers would improve performance, IMO.

I would think this is a good idea.

DSL Line --> ATT Wireless Router --> Linksys Wireless Router --> Netgear WNDR3700 Wireless on another channel and different name.

But since the Linksys router doesn't do the QOS thing, I moved it to an access wireless router / switch. But had trouble getting all those routers and switches to work together so removed it and redid with a 10/100 switch. Turned down the radio on the N600 router and changed channel to 1.

Serendipity

I see. Was just suggesting to use only *one* unit for each purpose, for example: turn off all the wireless features in the ADSL modem/router and use it as a modem only. Use the Netgear as your main router. Then, if you want to use the Linksys DD-WRT as your wireless access point, you can, but make sure 100% it's in access point mode.

I personally have a similar setup, here's what I use:

Cable Modem --> Netgear Wired Router --> 5 Port Switch --> Netgear AP's.

By having each unit perform a specific task, everything works flawlessly.

Syndil

Joe has (or had) 3 routers and 3 different subnets. Needlessly complex, yes, but doesn't hurt anything at all. Nor does using the ADSL's router feature with DHCP enabled along with the N600. The ADSL router's DHCP assigns an IP address to the WAN port of the N600, and the N600 assigns IP addresses to everything downstream of the N600 as well as its wireless clients. You can daisy chain as many routers as you want--after all, the Internet is essentially nothing more than a chain of routers.

disneyjoe7

I used to add a wireless access, switch, router as a the DHCP host, making the dsl router pass thru. The trouble was when and if someone needed to call for tech support for the adsl line, tester needed to have it setup as dsl router to computer only. At that time someone needed to redo adsl modem / router, when they fixed your trouble you needed to redo all your changes. Doing it the way I do 1.x and the 0.x networks if needed to call tech support one can cable in adsl modem, and then cable back to other network router. A different way to look at it, but easier in the long run.

Serendipity

So the router's WAN port is being connected to a LAN port on the ADSL modem/router?

Serendipity

Syndil wrote: »

Joe has (or had) 3 routers and 3 different subnets. Needlessly complex, yes, but doesn't hurt anything at all. Nor does using the ADSL's router feature with DHCP enabled along with the N600. The ADSL router's DHCP assigns an IP address to the WAN port of the N600, and the N600 assigns IP addresses to everything downstream of the N600 as well as its wireless clients.

That is, provided he is plugging the WAN port of the router into a LAN port of the ADSL modem/router. If he goes from a LAN port on the router to another LAN port on the ADSL modem/router, then he must turn off DHCP on the Netgear router. Otherwise, the two devices will fight with each other unless DHCP is turned off on one of them.

Syndil wrote: »

after all, the Internet is essentially nothing more than a chain of routers.

Not so sure about that but ok.

Syndil

He's already specified he is running three different subnets (I think down to two now, actually) so it can be inferred that the LAN port of the ADSL router is connected to the WAN port of the N600. Otherwise yes, there would be DHCP conflicts. To the ADSL router, the N600 is a DHCP client, not a competing host.

disneyjoe7

Syndil wrote: »

He's already specified he is running three different subnets (I think down to two now, actually) so it can be inferred that the LAN port of the ADSL router is connected to the WAN port of the N600. Otherwise yes, there would be DHCP conflicts. To the ADSL router, the N600 is a DHCP client, not a competing host.

Yes I like to have different subnets. I also like to be able to see both routers 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.0.1

Serendipity

In that case, then you should be fine.

disneyjoe7

Syndil wrote: »

He's already specified he is running three different subnets (I think down to two now, actually) so it can be inferred that the LAN port of the ADSL router is connected to the WAN port of the N600. Otherwise yes, there would be DHCP conflicts. To the ADSL router, the N600 is a DHCP client, not a competing host.

Yes I like to have different subnets. I also like to be able to see both routers 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.0.1

disneyjoe7

The Netgear N600 router doesn't like to play 2nd fiddle, were the dd-wrt router would play master, 2nd, access, whatever I needed.

The adsl modem / switch / router is a 4 port wireless thing. Not as flexible and couldn't optional for QOS and the N600 router is a 10/100/1000 router which is my wired ports in the house.