Another example of confirming the obvious

BlueFox

DEA: $34 million San Jose meth bust had Mexican drug ties :rolleyes:

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_20108169/dea-34-million-san-jose-meth-bust-had


I'm just waiting for the violence to follow. :frown:

inspiredsports

BlueFox wrote: »

DEA: $34 million San Jose meth bust had Mexican drug ties :rolleyes:

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_20108169/dea-34-million-san-jose-meth-bust-had


I'm just waiting for the violence to follow. :frown:

Congrats to the LEO's who made the bust.

I'm not quite sure why your only take on the whole thing is that "I'm just waiting for the violence to follow."

polkfarmboy

Holy crap them guys are stupid for stealing an iPad when they are possession of 34 mill or 750 pounds of crystal meth. I bet they are going to be off the Mexican drug cartels Christmas card list

nooshinjohn

inspiredsports wrote: »

Congrats to the LEO's who made the bust.

I'm not quite sure why your only take on the whole thing is that "I'm just waiting for the violence to follow."

Are you aware of the decapitations and other grizzly executions taking place within the U.S. by the drug cartels in retalliation for having their "business enterprises" messed with? There have been at least a half dozen that I know of.

Rivrrat

They found a body with no head, hands, or feet up on my side of Tucson a couple of months ago. Everyone assumes it's a drug cartel making a statement.

DMara

polkfarmboy wrote: »

Holy crap them guys are stupid for stealing an iPad when they are possession of 34 mill or 750 pounds of crystal meth. I bet they are going to be off the Mexican drug cartels Christmas card list

Like you actually believe that was the real reason they busted that place :razz:

nooshinjohn

Rivrrat wrote: »

They found a body with no head, hands, or feet up on my side of Tucson a couple of months ago. Everyone assumes it's a drug cartel making a statement.

Found one under the Hollywood sign as well. An 18 year old girl was decapitated for refusing to be a prostitute somewhere south of the border over a drug deal gone bad....

BlueFox

DMara wrote: »

Like you actually believe that was the real reason they busted that place :razz:

It was. The Palo Alto police were following a stolen iPad GPS signal, and they ended up at the apartment. They asked if they could come in since they didn't have a search warrant, and the amigos said; Si, mi casa es su casa. When they noticed all the crank they bought in the San Jose Police, the County, and the DEA.

I bet there are some P.O.ed Mexican drug czars. I wouldn't want to be those three. And, yes I was referring to the absolutely horrendous violence going on south of the border.

gdb

Why in God's name is meth being imported from ANYWHERE ? I thought we had a large enough manufacturing base right here in the good ole USA ! Might be that the raw materials are less controled "down there". Did'ya know that the term "crank" came from the early days when bikers would transport meth in the crankcases of their Harleys. Tis true.

decal

Did'ya know that the term "crank" came from the early days when bikers would transport meth in the crankcases of their Harleys.Tis true.

Tis BS.

chumlie

Well, which is it. Inquireing minds want to know.

sda2mike

maybe next to the crankcase but not in....think about it

nooshinjohn

Checked the "Urban Dictionary" and though gdb and bs mean the same thing around here:razz:, it appears he is not entirely wrong on this one...

The drug received the nickname ?crank? because it was often smuggled in the crank cases of vehicles.

I cannot see it fit in a Harley crankcase, but it may work on larger vehicles.:eek::loneranger:

inspiredsports

nooshinjohn wrote: »

Are you aware of the decapitations and other grizzly executions taking place within the U.S. by the drug cartels in retalliation for having their "business enterprises" messed with? There have been at least a half dozen that I know of.

I guess, but it doesn't seem like they need a bust as the catalyst for the violence.

And as mentioned, the one decapitation was thought to have been based on a girl's refusal to become a prostitute south of the border.

They seem to kill constantly.

BlueFox

inspiredsports wrote: »

I guess, but it doesn't seem like they need a bust as the catalyst for the violence.

It is not the bust itself that is a problem It appears they are slowly moving operations north, and the violence will follow.

gdb

sda2mike wrote: »

maybe next to the crankcase but not in....think about it

Don't have to in this "case"....it's fact.

sda2mike

maybe a v8, but a twin? i have a feeling 'crank' is what the **** will jump on when they learn yer carrying

sucks2beme

The border has become a dangerous place. Laredo has already fallen.
El Paso is just about there. Drugs moving North, money and stolen vehicles moving South.
There's so much of it coming in, they grab tons of it a week, and it's just a fraction of
the traffic. The Cartels control most of the Texas border towns. The state government has
just purchased gunboats and new helicopters to see if they can wrest back under control.
But it doesn't look good. Anything that makes money is coming across. Weed, coke, heroin
crank, pills. It appears we have lost the drug war.

nooshinjohn

sucks2beme wrote: »

It appears we have lost the drug war.

With training supplied by the CIA, no wonder we are loosing. The cartels are being trained by Hezbolah, which received it's training from Al Queda, which received it's training from, the Irainian Revolutionary guard...


It's like the military version of the 7 degrees of separation. Sooner or later I bet Kevin Bacon will show up.:eek:

mrbigbluelight

We trained Al-Qaeda.

BTW, an interesting read is Tom Clancy's "Against All Enemies". While reading, keep in mind the boatload ( 100 + ) surface-to-air missles that were stolen from an Army cache in Afghanistan several months ago.

chumlie

nooshinjohn wrote: »

With training supplied by the CIA, no wonder we are loosing. The cartels are being trained by Hezbolah, which received it's training from Al Queda, which received it's training from, the Irainian Revolutionary guard...


It's like the military version of the 7 degrees of separation. Sooner or later I bet Kevin Bacon will show up.:eek:

Realy. What planet are you from. Get a grip.

nooshinjohn

chumlie wrote: »

Realy. What planet are you from. Get a grip.

Hezbolah is currently IN Mexico. We have found copies of the Koran in Arizona and Texas along the border, and inside the tunnels that have been uncovered. This is fact, not fantasy. I will provide the links when I get home, but if you google hezbolah/mexico, you will find all the info you want.

http://www.stonegateinstitute.org/2269/hezbollah-mexico


My father in law was in the Iranian Army before the fall of the Shah. They were trained by the CIA and by the U.S. Army. How many more dots shall I connect for you before you can see the picture?

BlueFox

mrbigbluelight wrote: »

We trained Al-Qaeda.

This is a great movie. In hindsight, it is easy to see we made a major mistake.

http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/Charlie-Wilson-s-War/70060021?strkid=937245520_0_0&strackid=5014a8a36b106cdb_0_srl&trkid=222336

DarqueKnight

sucks2beme wrote: »

It appears we have lost the drug war.

Guess what? We were never fighting a drug war, we were waging a public relations campaign.

You don't win a war by attacking a non-combatant, just as you don't cure a disease by attacking a symptom. The violent drug cartels in Mexico, Latin America and South America are not the real combatants. They are just symptoms of a national terminal illness. The real combatants are the ravenous drug users IN THIS COUNTRY who seem to not care that every "high" is paid for in blood. Get rid of the users and the narcos won't have anyone to sell to. If you can't get rid of, or seriously reduce the numbers of, users, any action against the narcos is no more significant than putting a band aid on cancer.

Does anyone really believe the problem would be solved if every drug dealer south of the border were to magically disappear tomorrow? No, a new group of well organized criminals would rise up overnight to supply that "market".

BlueFox wrote: »

It appears they are slowly moving operations north, and the violence will follow.

Perhaps when the violence starts hitting home on a national scale, indulgence in recreational drugs won't be such a "cool" thing to do.

evhudsons

Supply and demand. That is your war when combined with law and politics. I stay away from enforcement, I try and be mostly on the right side of the law, but supply and demand is what fuels this "war". Personally I think DQ is right and we as a nation don't want to do much about it. First we should be good parents, but also good neighbors and friends to show younger people a better way. I'm not high and mighty about this issue, pun intended, because I have done enough recreational drugs seeking to be experienced. As a young person wanting to explore, experiment, learn, and rebel drugs are a good easy first choice as it represents all of that as well as being almost thrust into your life at some point. I did excess within moderation because I did have goals and limits and never ever lost control. But that is because I was raised as a decent human being with goals and limits all my life along with respect for myself and more importantly for others.

That is not the norm for most people now, and I think it is from upbringing. The demand for drugs is not coming from me, any more. I like beer which for a long time was just as illegal and immoral as any illicit drug now. But because the supply can easily accommodate the demand through legal production, distribution and taxation I can safely, legally, and morally consume SUCH GOOD BEER!

There are drugs that can be consumed with my excess within moderation rule of thumb, but there are some drugs that simply eat your head and cause such an enormous change in your brain that it has to be illegal. Crystal Meth has got to be the absolute worst along with heroin and some others.

It's time for folks to set the limits where they should be and find a way to turn this supply and demand problem back to where it should be. Society would mostly agree with certain drugs truly being illegal, and others controlled to a point to take away the demand that makes the supply so profitable.

To spend so much going after cartels and drugs that may not even be dangerous is to ignore bigger problems and actually helps dangerous drugs into our neighborhood by less than stellar thugs.

As long as there is a prohibition, there will be a market. But if the prohibited drugs are just too extreme folks will do the less extreme drugs and then we can better manage the drugs and drug victims that are manageable.

WilliamM2

DarqueKnight wrote: »

Does anyone really believe the problem would be solved if every drug dealer south of the border were to magically disappear tomorrow? No, a new group of well organized criminals would rise up overnight to supply that "market".

Get rid of all the users, and more of them will pop up as well.

The real key is to take all the profit out of the business for the cartels. Legalize it, and tax it. You can't legislate behavior anyways.

DarqueKnight

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Get rid of all the users, and more of them will pop up as well.

I think that proper parenting, along with societal reinforcement, would go a long way toward instilling appropriate values that would "keep more of them from popping up. We may be too far gone for that to ever happen though.

WilliamM2 wrote: »

The real key is to take all the profit out of the business for the cartels. Legalize it, and tax it.

I can't recall any nations that have benefitted in the long term from legalizing deviant behavior. Do you know of any?

WilliamM2 wrote: »

You can't legislate behavior anyways.

Moral behavior shouldn't have to be legislated. People who are only able to make right choices when they are forced to eventually end up with their lives seriously compromised...or terminated prematurely.

WilliamM2

DarqueKnight wrote: »

Moral behavior shouldn't have to be legislated. People who are only able to make right choices when they are forced to eventually end up with their lives seriously compromised...or terminated prematurely.

Isn't that just what the current system tries to do? To control them by compromising their freedom (jail). Doesn't seem to be working.

DarqueKnight

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Isn't that just what the current system tries to do? To control them by compromising their freedom (jail). Doesn't seem to be working.

In theory, the current system tries to remove those individuals who are a danger to society. With regard to trying to control people, review the history of totalitarian governments and see how they all ended up.

If the majority of people in a place are bad and want to do bad things, they would have no fear of jail or any other civil penalty because there wouldn't be enough LEO's (assuming they are part of the moral minority) to manage that situation. Furthermore, the immoral majority could elect civil authority figures who reflect their values.

I don't engage in murder and armed robbery not out of a fear of incarceration, but because I choose not to participate in such acts.

Fear of punishment is not a deterrent to crime, adultery, recreational drug use or cheating on tests.

tonyb

DarqueKnight wrote: »

I don't engage in murder and armed robbery not out of a fear of incarceration, but because I choose not to participate in such acts.

Fear of punishment is not a deterrent to crime, adultery, recreational drug use or cheating on tests.

Unless that punishment included the death penalty, a swifter death penalty. Not 20 years later. Punishment has no fear because the punishment isn't really punishment when you get 3 squares a day, tv, recreation. Thats just killing time, not punishment.

There will always be buyers and sellers of things you can't get. Legalize drugs and a new one will pop up you can't get. Stop looking at who's fault it is, the buyer or seller, and decide if we are a nation of laws or social experiments.

Personally, I'd drop them all on the mexican side of the border, buyers and sellers. If they come back, drop them in North Korea, maybe then they will appreciate this country a tad more.

sucks2beme

You seem to forget how many of America's elite snorted cocaine.
Punishing addicts only fills up our jails. As far as counties who
have dropped the drug war, addiction rates DON"T go up.
People who want drugs will get them. Just like they got booze
during the "demon rum" years. Other than killing or exporting them,
you don't have much in the way of ideas. BTW, I don't drink.
Should I suggest death penalty for DWI???
I understand the frustrations, but at this point the problem
will never go away. Pandora's box got opened.