Good quality jumpers

Drenis
Drenis Posts: 2,871
edited March 2012 in Speakers
So with the discussion in the LSi9 Mid bass thread, I would like to invite the community to share there opinions for replacement jumpers over the stock brass ones that are usually included. Many suggest going above a monoprice wire so I'm curious what your suggestions are.

Also, for the MIT boys - Been talking with Joe and will be making payment on a pair of EXp 1 speaker cables for a sick price. My question to you is what to use for jumpers? I don't see anywhere MIT offering such a product.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2012
    I made these for about 18 bucks. This is an easy DIY that is an improvement over brass:
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2012
    Too bad those nanners are made of brass too.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2012
    Drenis, I'd recommend Vampire gold plated copper spades from Sonic Craft with your choice of wire.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2012
    According to the Radio Shack website, they are gold plated.
    http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=11938538&clickid=prod_cs#
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  • pyrocyborg
    pyrocyborg Posts: 524
    edited March 2012
    Gold plated brass :redface:

    (which is most probably exactly the same kind of material used to make stock jumpers).

    I made ones of large bare wire, and I could not hear any difference (and I had no brass left in the equation, except maybe the "inputs" connector themself... I don't know what material they're made of)... or maybe it was really subttle. Maybe my RTi4 and Yamaha entry-level receiver wasn't revealing enough to make a difference, so I'll probably try again one day.
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited March 2012
    Go to a goldsmith/jeweler, get some plate type jumpers made from low-karat gold (10-12K). finished, done, over! Except....if you opt for silver which will be cheaper, but then, you'll have to polish them every week !:lol:
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  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited March 2012
    Face wrote: »
    Drenis, I'd recommend Vampire gold plated copper spades from Sonic Craft with your choice of wire.

    Yes I hadn't forgotten about that. Was looking to see if there was anything readily available for others who may be looking or if anyone knew of a MIT offering. I neglected to ask Joe but trying to look outside the monoprice selection. I'll just reference what you posted in my DIY thread for my desktop setup, thanks.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,217
    edited March 2012
    Never seen anything from MIT, not necessary to have network boxes on jumpers. Look here lots of alternatives, kinda pricey.

    http://www.dedicatedaudio.com/jumper_cable

    The Cardas jumper plates look interesting.

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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2012
    pyrocyborg wrote: »
    Gold plated brass :redface:

    (which is most probably exactly the same kind of material used to make stock jumpers).

    ...as are the speaker binding posts.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,596
    edited March 2012
    Contact frank at signal cable to see if he can make some custom ones for you. We also get a club Polk discount.
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  • pyrocyborg
    pyrocyborg Posts: 524
    edited March 2012
    steveinaz wrote: »
    ...as are the speaker binding posts.

    Exactly... that's why I don't understand why people keep on telling that we should remove brass from our equation to minimize the combination of different alloys/metal...

    Maybe I wasn't really clear in my message, I didn't remember that those inputs were called binding posts... lol... after re-reading, yeah, I was not clear at all :smile:
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2012
    My speakers aren't bi-wirable, so it's a non-issue for me.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • gdpeck
    gdpeck Posts: 840
    edited March 2012
    steveinaz wrote: »
    My speakers aren't bi-wirable, so it's a non-issue for me.

    Mine are, so if you want to trade straight across, I'm up for it. I'll even drive to Sierra Vista ;-)
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2012
    I wish I would have kept the dudes email I got the speakers from (Scottsdale), he looked like he was on a speaker finding mission, based on other recent sales he had. He sure kept these absolutely minty, and a damn good price.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2012
    steveinaz wrote: »
    ...as are the speaker binding posts.
    Not on anything here.

    And besides, why keep adding more brass to the signal path?
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  • codyc1ark
    codyc1ark Posts: 2,532
    edited March 2012
    What about using some speaker wire that has been separated, from post to post? I never understood why more people don't do that and use some nanners from there amp? May be a dumb thought, but it seems to be the simplest solution....
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2012
    Face wrote: »
    Not on anything here.

    And besides, why keep adding more brass to the signal path?

    You on a mission or something? It was simply an example of some DIY jumpers I made. That ok with you?
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited March 2012
    Buy enough to make up 2 three wire (twisted) lengths.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Solid-10K-Yellow-Gold-20-Gauge-wire-/220542939477?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item3359623155
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  • gdpeck
    gdpeck Posts: 840
    edited March 2012
    steveinaz wrote: »
    I wish I would have kept the dudes email I got the speakers from (Scottsdale), he looked like he was on a speaker finding mission, based on other recent sales he had. He sure kept these absolutely minty, and a damn good price.

    I'm actually pretty happy with my LSi9 setup right now, although I would love to try some Harbeths at some point, maybe in a yet to be built 2-channel setup. I am interested in how you found this person in the first place, though. There certainly isn't much nice stuff to be found on craigslist in Phoenix.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited March 2012
    On Audiogon, looking for used 7ES's. Just dumb luck that he was in Az. The Lsi9 is a nice speaker, I like it's visceral sound character. First time I heard it, I went slack-jawed for a moment; my first thought was that they sounded BIG.
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited March 2012
    That was my impression of Lsi9s also at the CAS but.....they were being powered by Doro's Godzilla amp, maybe that helped a tiny bit.:cheesygrin:
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  • Geoff4rfc
    Geoff4rfc Posts: 2,477
    edited March 2012
    I made my own jumpers, after the crap Steve caught, I'm a little hesitant to post them.......oh well, what's a little negativity among fellow posters?

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  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited March 2012
    There will be NO cable debates in this thread.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,596
    edited March 2012
    I am still working on mine. Hoping to have em done this weekend since my wife works both Sat and Sun so I can get em heatshrinked and covered with nylon techflex :smile:. Will post pics when done.
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  • B Run
    B Run Posts: 1,888
    edited March 2012
    Anyone try these? I just stumbled across them: http://shop.mapleshadestore.com/Clearview-Biwire-Jumpers/productinfo/JUMPER/
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited March 2012
    Geoff4rfc wrote: »
    I made my own jumpers, after the crap Steve caught, I'm a little hesitant to post them.......oh well, what's a little negativity among fellow posters?

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    It looks as if your speaker cables are going through the bottom posts then feeding jumpers to the top? Is that not the wrong way around ?
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,596
    edited March 2012
    polkfarmboy wrote: »
    It looks as if your speaker cables are going through the bottom posts then feeding jumpers to the top? Is that not the wrong way around ?

    Don't think it matters as it looks to be the same emo speaker wire. Otherwise if it was like MIT I would attach to the highs and jumper the lows
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2012
    Just stating the obvious, that's all...nothing personal.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,753
    edited March 2012
    My question to you is what to use for jumpers? I don't see anywhere MIT offering such a product.

    MIT makes jumpers, they just don't list them on their site. Call Joe Abrams and he'll take care of it.
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  • DMara
    DMara Posts: 1,434
    edited March 2012
    Left: Polk LSiM707 with stock jumpers
    Right: Polk LSi15 with Signal jumpers
    LSiM707-LSi15-back2.jpg


    Close-up shot of Signal jumpers on that LSi15:
    Signal_Jumpers.jpg
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