Crossover Wire

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quadzilla wrote: »

No, this is research http://lmgtfy.com/?q=research&l=1

Hmmm, not understanding why you're being an ****.

I started a thread and asked questions. "Research can be defined as the search for knowledge" (from the first line in your link). Are you saying I should learn to use google better or to visit more forums to read or ask more questions? Again, I'm not following. I sure hope you're not a teacher...

quadzilla

As someone once said, I'll start being nicer when you start being smarter. :razz:

But seriously, I'm not being an ****, you just really aren't getting the point. Ask 3 audio guys a question, and you'll get eleventy-seven different answers. So what you should take from this is that you need to start with how the different types of wire are made, what the plusses and minuses of the different materials used in their construction are, and most importantly, and the one thing no one can answer for you, which ones you like and which ones you don't. You can ask questions all day, but until you actually *try* some things on your own, you won't know. You'll just have been told. This thread is a perfect example of that. One guy says "use tinned stranded copper because that's what Polk used". OK, I like and respect that guy, but I also think he's badly wrong on this one. And the reason why is that just because it's what Polk settled on, given the materials available at the time and the price point they had to meet, it was a compromise, but not necessarily the best possible choice for the application. Another says use solid core silver, and someone else follows that up to say that silver presents a sibilant (too bright) sound, and then the first guy, or someone else, says that it doesn't. So are you actually learning anything, or are you just being told a bunch of different, and generally conflicting, stuff?

Earlier you said that 40-some-odd bucks for wire was too much. Really? How do you know? If it's because of what you can afford, then go with that, because it doesn't really matter what might be best here, and you're wasting everyone's time. A better question would have been "I have 12 dollars and need to replace my wiring harness. What kind of wire can I buy for 12 dollars?" (or whatever the amount is). You can afford what you can afford, and that's the end of the story. If it's because that's all you're willing to spend, then you need to reexamine that decision. If you just want the absolutely cheapest stuff that'll carry something like a signal, and want someone to tell you that it's fine to use that, then just use coat hangers. There are plenty of guys that will tell you there's no difference between a coat hanger and the most expensive wire you can buy. And you can go find one of them, ask that question, and he'll assure you that a coat hanger is just fine for anything audio related. You'll just have to ignore the fact that they're morons who only know how to touch a multimeter to each end of of a wire, and if two wires have the same resistance, these dummies assume they must be identical in quality.

I spent nearly 500 bucks for the wire when I rebuilt my 2.3 TLs, and, given the results, consider that to have been cheap for what I got out of it. But if I hadn't been willing to do some real research on my own, which means not just asking questions but actually trying things, then I would never have known.

So again, you can either ask and be told, or you can try to learn something. Which, you know, would be the result of doing some actual research and not just asking a bunch of questions and being told a bunch of (different) answers. That shouldn't be taken to mean never ask questions. Asking questions is a great place to start by getting some ideas for doing your own research. But that's all asking questions is really good for, except when you're asking for a simple fact. And audio is all about opinions and what sounds best to you, not us.

audiocr381ve

quadzilla wrote: »

As someone once said, I'll start being nicer when you start being smarter. :razz:

But seriously, I'm not being an ****, you just really aren't getting the point. Ask 3 audio guys a question, and you'll get eleventy-seven different answers. So what you should take from this is that you need to start with how the different types of wire are made, what the plusses and minuses of the different materials used in their construction are, and most importantly, and the one thing no one can answer for you, which ones you like and which ones you don't. You can ask questions all day, but until you actually *try* some things on your own, you won't know. You'll just have been told. This thread is a perfect example of that. One guy says "use tinned stranded copper because that's what Polk used". OK, I like and respect that guy, but I also think he's badly wrong on this one. And the reason why is that just because it's what Polk settled on, given the materials available at the time and the price point they had to meet, it was a compromise, but not necessarily the best possible choice for the application. Another says use solid core silver, and someone else follows that up to say that silver presents a sibilant (too bright) sound, and then the first guy, or someone else, says that it doesn't. So are you actually learning anything, or are you just being told a bunch of different, and generally conflicting, stuff?

Earlier you said that 40-some-odd bucks for wire was too much. Really? How do you know? If it's because of what you can afford, then go with that, because it doesn't really matter what might be best here, and you're wasting everyone's time. A better question would have been "I have 12 dollars and need to replace my wiring harness. What kind of wire can I buy for 12 dollars?" (or whatever the amount is). You can afford what you can afford, and that's the end of the story. If it's because that's all you're willing to spend, then you need to reexamine that decision. If you just want the absolutely cheapest stuff that'll carry something like a signal, and want someone to tell you that it's fine to use that, then just use coat hangers. There are plenty of guys that will tell you there's no difference between a coat hanger and the most expensive wire you can buy. And you can go find one of them, ask that question, and he'll assure you that a coat hanger is just fine for anything audio related. You'll just have to ignore the fact that they're morons who only know how to touch a multimeter to each end of of a wire, and if two wires have the same resistance, these dummies assume they must be identical in quality.

I spent nearly 500 bucks for the wire when I rebuilt my 2.3 TLs, and, given the results, consider that to have been cheap for what I got out of it. But if I hadn't been willing to do some real research on my own, which means not just asking questions but actually trying things, then I would never have known.

So again, you can either ask and be told, or you can try to learn something. Which, you know, would be the result of doing some actual research and not just asking a bunch of questions and being told a bunch of (different) answers. That shouldn't be taken to mean never ask questions. Asking questions is a great place to start by getting some ideas for doing your own research. But that's all asking questions is really good for, except when you're asking for a simple fact. And audio is all about opinions and what sounds best to you, not us.

Haha, good stuff. Please accept my apology, I was a grouch last night.

quadzilla

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