Smoked too much

BeefJerky

nooshinjohn wrote: »

Boys will be girls...

I am glad that we didn't have this kind of thinking when we were living in caves, or our ancestors would have never moved beyond the trees.

I have nothing against any particular group.

You say you "have nothing against any particular group," however, what you stated prior to it makes me question your sincerity. Your statements after also make me question your sincerity. To put it bluntly, I don't believe you really feel this way, especially when it comes to homosexuals and homosexual couples.

but this is a great reason why homes should have moms AND dads, rather that two mommies/daddies.

Okay, now you are just trying to correlate two things that are not actually related. I've seen my share of straight couples who raise their children in questionable ways; ways that could leave a negative and lasting impact on them. I've also seen my share of **** couples who genuinely try to raise their children in the best way that they can, and do a fantastic job to boot. Whether a couple consists of a mother/father, two mothers, two fathers, or a single parent is not the defining factor in terms of how a child is raised. So no, this article does not actually support your claim that homes should have "moms AND dads." I also personally disagree with your asinine claims in regards to the parenting skills of **** couples.

Children are human beings, not an effin' lab rat for a misguided social experiment.

I fully agree.

dragon1952

One girl was called Jean Marie
Another little girl was called Felicity
Another little girl was Sally Joy
The other was me, and I'm a boy

My name is Bill and I'm a headcase
They practice making up on my face
Yeah, I feel lucky if I get trousers to wear
Spend ages taking hairpins from my hair

I'm a boy, I'm a boy
But my ma won't admit it
I'm a boy, I'm a boy
But if I say I am I get it

rromeo923

Back in the 80's we saw a lot of Grateful Dead concerts. Yes sometimes drugs were involved. Soon after New Years eve shows 1986 my girl found out she was pregnant. We did the math and it is very likely that our child to be was conceived while doing LSD. So we asked the doctor what he thought about that. He did some research and the only thing he found was a study of 12 couples who had conceived a child while tripping. All 12 children were born with out defects and the only surprising thing was that 11 of the 12 turned out to be girls.

Now with Pot I have to say is it doesn't hurt the SDA experience. Actually a pretty inexpensive mod!

dudeinaroom

dragon1952 wrote: »

.......It's pretty simple. If you have a penile projection you're male, if you have a ver-gina you're female and if you have both you're a hermi.....

And if you have neither you're a eunick.

nooshinjohn

BeefJerky.... I get your point. Perhaps this will help you understand mine.

When I moved to Los Angeles two decades ago, my room mate was as flamboyant as he could be about his homosexuality. He was also one of the nicest people I have ever known. I remember his excitement when he moved out to be with his boyfriend, who finally left his wife of 12 years to be with him. The man brought is 9 year old son with him. My friend was excited to be a "mommy".

We moved on and went our separate ways in life. A few years go by and I get a phone call at work from my friend's companion asking me to drop by on my way home from work. I am greeted at the door by a tweener with long flowing hair wearing a dress and the boy's father. They both have this lost expression on their faces. My friend was dead... AIDS claimed his life and was soon to take his companion's life as well. I do not know what became of the boy.

My ex-wife had a single girlfriend that was raising a little boy. I know for a fact that the friend had come to blame men for everything that was wrong in her life, and the behavior of this little boy was proof. I stopped going with my wife to see this friend because that kid would make a fist and punch every man that came in the house in the balls! He was trained to do this! The kid was trained to hate men, and therefore himself. He committed suicide at the age of 14, and his mother followed a short time later.

There are good ****/**** couples out there that would do a fine job raising a child, I have a **** friend that is one of them. We all have our biases, and it is impossible to not pass those biases on to our children. In ****/**** couples, there is an obvious bias against the other gender. Even if there is no mention of it, a child can see the obvious. I believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice that has it's roots in genetics. some people are born that way, but it is still a choice. Indoctrinating a child from birth into a lifestyle choice, IMHO, will have a negative effect on their developement.

One could argue that being a hetero couple is also a lifestyle choice, but given the fact that it still takes a man and a woman to create a new life, that argument has no validity with me. It is a choice of survival and perpetuation of the species that is imprinted upon each of us... in short is is a natural choice.

SDA1C

dragon1952 wrote: »

"I wanted to avoid all that stereotyping," she said. "Stereotypes seem fundamentally stupid. Why would you want to slot people into boxes?"

I don't understand what gender has to do with stereotyping. It's pretty simple. If you have a penile projection you're male, if you have a ver-gina you're female and if you have both you're a hermi. It's the laws of nature not "slotting people into boxes" :rolleyes:

In my opinion it has everything to do with slots and boxes and what goes in them. Imagine the confusion....but not my kid so not my problem.... Yet. I'll just sit back and wait for the psychiatric bill to affect my insurance premium. Until then ....pffft!

inspiredsports

SDA1C wrote: »

. . . not my problem.... Yet. I'll just sit back and wait for the psychiatric bill to affect my insurance premium. Until then ....pffft!

But unless repealed, insurance will be nationalized and your paycheck IS on the line.

BeefJerky

nooshinjohn wrote: »

BeefJerky.... I get your point. Perhaps this will help you understand mine.

When I moved to Los Angeles two decades ago, my room mate was as flamboyant as he could be about his homosexuality. He was also one of the nicest people I have ever known. I remember his excitement when he moved out to be with his boyfriend, who finally left his wife of 12 years to be with him. The man brought is 9 year old son with him. My friend was excited to be a "mommy".

We moved on and went our separate ways in life. A few years go by and I get a phone call at work from my friend's companion asking me to drop by on my way home from work. I am greeted at the door by a tweener with long flowing hair wearing a dress and the boy's father. They both have this lost expression on their faces. My friend was dead... AIDS claimed his life and was soon to take his companion's life as well. I do not know what became of the boy.

My ex-wife had a single girlfriend that was raising a little boy. I know for a fact that the friend had come to blame men for everything that was wrong in her life, and the behavior of this little boy was proof. I stopped going with my wife to see this friend because that kid would make a fist and punch every man that came in the house in the balls! He was trained to do this! The kid was trained to hate men, and therefore himself. He committed suicide at the age of 14, and his mother followed a short time later.

Of course this is all just subjective, as were my anecdotes. I've actually come across many more straight couples who do a horrible job of raising their children. However, that is isn't going to make me come to the erroneous conclusion that straight couples are bad parents.

There are good ****/**** couples out there that would do a fine job raising a child, I have a **** friend that is one of them. We all have our biases, and it is impossible to not pass those biases on to our children. In ****/**** couples, there is an obvious bias against the other gender. Even if there is no mention of it, a child can see the obvious.

I know a few of **** couples and none of them have problems with or a bias against the opposite sex; they simply have a sexual desire for the same sex. Sorry, but your sweeping generalization is just absurd and inaccurate.

I believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice that has it's roots in genetics. some people are born that way, but it is still a choice.

Now you've just contradicted yourself. A person is either born that way or it is a choice; it cannot be both. I believe that they are born that way and it is not a choice. A great deal of professional studies also support that view.

Indoctrinating a child from birth into a lifestyle choice, IMHO, will have a negative effect on their developement.

How so? I honestly don't believe the way that they are raised has any impact on whether they are **** or not. I have a friend whose child was raised in a household that could not be construed as having a **** influence in any way, shape or form. Yet, he is homosexual, and quite flamboyant at that. In fact, most **** people were born and raised by straight couples, which contradicts the parental influence and "lifestyle choice" theories. This only serves to strengthen the argument that they are born that way and it is not a choice.

One could argue that being a hetero couple is also a lifestyle choice, but given the fact that it still takes a man and a woman to create a new life, that argument has no validity with me. It is a choice of survival and perpetuation of the species that is imprinted upon each of us... in short is is a natural choice.

I could argue that homosexuality is a "natural choice" as well. It is a form of population control that is built into a species genetics. There are many documented cases of homosexual animals which strongly supports this theory; animals simply don't have the cognitive ability to make a "choice" regarding sexual orientation.

tonyb

inspiredsports wrote: »

But unless repealed, insurance will be nationalized and your paycheck IS on the line.

Of course that assumes you still think your paycheck belongs to you. Or is it just an open checkbook for the powers at be to dive into when ever they run short ?

nooshinjohn

believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice that has it's roots in genetics. some people are born that way, but it is still a choice.

BeefJerky wrote: »

Now you've just contradicted yourself. A person is either born that way or it is a choice; it cannot be both. I believe that they are born that way and it is not a choice. A great deal of professional studies also support that view.

How is this contradictory? I point out that there is a genetic component, but I do believe that we ALL have choices to make, and that lifestyle is one of them. It is simply false to claim that it is not an option to choose for yourself. Even those that are genetically predisposed to one way or the other can make a choice. To assert that things are beyond one's control is to deny the power of the human spirit.

I don't care what choice anyone makes, so long as they are happy with the life they choose to persue.

BeefJerky

nooshinjohn wrote: »

How is this contradictory? I point out that there is a genetic component, but I do believe that we ALL have choices to make, and that lifestyle is one of them. It is simply false to claim that it is not an option to choose for yourself. Even those that are genetically predisposed to one way or the other can make a choice.

Aside from that fact that most professional studies support my viewpoint, I also wonder if you've ever actually talked to any of these **** people you say you've known. I've talked to many, and there are none who would say that they "chose" in any way to be ****. As they would point out, why would they choose to be an outcast or a target of other people's hatred and scorn? Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me either.

To assert that things are beyond one's control is to deny the power of the human spirit.

I don't care what choice anyone makes, so long as they are happy with the life they choose to persue.

There are things that are not within our control. People don't choose to have cancer either. The "human spirit" has its limits.

That being said, I'd like to read your responses to the other points in my post.

SDA1C

inspiredsports wrote: »

But unless repealed, insurance will be nationalized and your paycheck IS on the line.

That was kind of my point. I have no say when some wacko decides to use its kid for some gender freak experiment but I for some reason get to stand in line to pay the bill. Bastages! LOL

dudeinaroom

BeefJerky wrote: »

....I could argue that homosexuality is a "natural choice" as well. It is a form of population control that is built into a species genetics. There are many documented cases of homosexual animals which strongly supports this theory; animals simply don't have the cognitive ability to make a "choice" regarding sexual orientation.

I could argue against that. Take dogs for an example. They will hump any thing and there are still to many of them.

BeefJerky wrote: »

I've talked to many, and there are none who would say that they "chose" in any way to be ****

I think the choice is whether or not you decide to stay in the closet or not. So in essence it is their choice to be ridiculed or not.

BeefJerky

dudeinaroom wrote: »

I could argue against that. Take dogs for an example. They will hump any thing and there are still to many of them.

If dogs were the only animal with homosexual tendencies, maybe. However, there have been many species where this has been seen, including birds, dolphins, bison, monkeys, sheep, lizards and even some insects. Besides, if it weren't for **** dogs, the situation might be even worse!

I think the choice is whether or not you decide to stay in the closet or not. So in essence it is their choice to be ridiculed or not.

That's a pretty awful choice if you ask me. Live a lie and be miserable, or be honest about yourself and suffer at the hands of our ridiculously intolerant society. Besides, even if they "stay in the closet" that doesn't change the fact that they are still **** or mean that it is their choice to be ****.

snow

BeefJerky wrote: »

That's a pretty awful choice if you ask me. Live a lie and be miserable, or be honest about yourself and suffer at the hands of our ridiculously intolerant society. Besides, even if they "stay in the closet" that doesn't change the fact that they are still **** or mean that it is their choice to be ****.

Agreed I believe 99% if not 100% of people who are **** or **** are born that way it is not a learned behavior or lifestyle choice for most people, either the sight of a beautiful woman gets you excited or it doesnt simple as that, no man no matter how handsome does diddly for me :cheesygrin: Of course there are the freaks who will screw anything but I believe that this is due to some physcological issues versus a normal desire.

As far as the couple raising their child to not have a gender goes they need to have their parenting privelges revoked period, unless the boy chooses to play with dolls and have tea partys he should be raised as a boy, treating a child differently than other children, can and will lead to both ridicule by other children and long term mental health problems. If you as an adult want to prove a point or take a stand for something fine thats your choice but dont bring your children into it.

A lot of the problems we have today with childrens behaviors are a direct result of PC and a leaning towards little or no punishment of children, I seen a young couple with a small boy around 4-5 years old the other day in a cafe. The father was attempting to get the boy to leave the table and it was evident who was in charge of that situation, the father was pleading with the boy and the boy was shaking his head no, when the father grabbed the boy he instantly threw a fit yelling and crying so the father backed off and continued begging with the boy and him refusing to do anything, it was a pitiful scene.

I dont think that you need to beat your children for hours on a daily basis to get them to behave but I do think that their needs to be consquences for bad behavior whether it is having your toys taken away or being grounded at home without a phone and PC. As soon as a child realizes there is a price to pay for their actions their behavior changes, if there is none then you have big problems ahead of you.



REGARDS SNOW

dragon1952

SDA1C wrote: »

In my opinion it has everything to do with slots and boxes and what goes in them. Imagine the confusion....but not my kid so not my problem.... Yet. I'll just sit back and wait for the psychiatric bill to affect my insurance premium. Until then ....pffft!

I think you may have misunderstood my post. What I'm saying is, nature has already decided our slot and box as far as gender and it has nothing to do with stereotyping.

SDA1C

dragon1952 wrote: »

I think you may have misunderstood my post. What I'm saying is, nature has already decided our slot and box as far as gender and it has nothing to do with stereotyping.

I was making some fun there bud and playing the choice of words. That's all.:biggrin:

SDA1C

Lasareath wrote: »

John,

What's your thoughts about a husband & wife being different races?

Sal

Hi there Sal,

Haven't had much chat with you (Decent rig you have there) but I have to ask... Just WTF are saying here?

Dan

nooshinjohn

Lasareath wrote: »

John,

What's your thoughts about a husband & wife being different races?

Sal

I fail to see the relevence, but I will play along... My ex was black, my soulmate is middle-eastern.

BeefJerky

snow wrote: »

Agreed I believe 99% if not 100% of people who are **** or **** are born that way it is not a learned behavior or lifestyle choice for most people, either the sight of a beautiful woman gets you excited or it doesnt simple as that, no man no matter how handsome does diddly for me :cheesygrin: Of course there are the freaks who will screw anything but I believe that this is due to some physcological issues versus a normal desire.

I agree with you here. I personally haven't met any **** folks who weren't born that way, but I can't completely rule it out. However, like you say, it would clearly be a very small minority that would fall into that category (~1%). As you touched on, a beautiful woman either gets you excited or not. It certainly wasn't any sort of choice on my part to find women attractive; I was just born that way. (P.S. I'm a male for those who don't know.)

As far as the couple raising their child to not have a gender goes they need to have their parenting privelges revoked period

I agree.

unless the boy chooses to play with dolls and have tea partys he should be raised as a boy, treating a child differently than other children, can and will lead to both ridicule by other children and long term mental health problems. If you as an adult want to prove a point or take a stand for something fine thats your choice but dont bring your children into it.

Agreed. While your statements here are not exactly pertaining to ****, it actually is quite relevant as this is something that parents of **** children will nearly always notice. The child will act differently from a typical child of that gender from very early on; I'm talking long before they even understand what sex is. This also helps to support the theory that homosexuals are born that way.

A lot of the problems we have today with childrens behaviors are a direct result of PC and a leaning towards little or no punishment of children, I seen a young couple with a small boy around 4-5 years old the other day in a cafe. The father was attempting to get the boy to leave the table and it was evident who was in charge of that situation, the father was pleading with the boy and the boy was shaking his head no, when the father grabbed the boy he instantly threw a fit yelling and crying so the father backed off and continued begging with the boy and him refusing to do anything, it was a pitiful scene.

Spot on! This is something that I've seen far to often lately. I rarely got spanked as a child, as I would usually respond to lesser punishments when I did something wrong. However, I also knew that I would actually get punished if need be, and I also understood that my parents were the ones in charge.

I dont think that you need to beat your children for hours on a daily basis to get them to behave but I do think that their needs to be consquences for bad behavior whether it is having your toys taken away or being grounded at home without a phone and PC. As soon as a child realizes there is a price to pay for their actions their behavior changes, if there is none then you have big problems ahead of you.

Exactly.

Syndil

Raising your child in a gender-neutral environment has nothing to do with discipline or spanking. To my mind, it allows the child freedom to choose what he or she prefers, WITHOUT having stereotypes forced upon them, i.e. blue and trucks for boys, pink and dolls for girls. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this and I think the reaction here is blown way out of proportion.

dragon1952

Good grief :rolleyes: I must be really old or something.

stuwee

tonyb, thanks for bringing this up, it's about time folks learned that your gender is not what it always appears to be, we may seem to be a boy, but feel like a girl, or the other way around, being a part of an intelligent, cognecent lifeform makes it harder for those 'other' folks to undersand..the world of a transperson is the hardest for 'normal' folks to understand, imagine being someone you're not, please leave God outta this, you are not the right sex (nothing about sex, just how you identify with yourself...)

I urge everyone to google, read up on transpeople, understand the issue. one in 10,000 births is a hermaphredite, parents make the desision to make it a boy or a girl, the childs sexual oragans are arranged to meet those of the parents, not the child who grows up felling alll WRONG in some cases, this is not right people!!!

Not a popular subject here in an audio forum, but expand your mind and inform yourself on issues even if they make you uncomfortable, imaginie how those kids feel growing up...

dudeinaroom

snow wrote: »

I do think that their needs to be consquences for bad behavior whether it is having your toys taken away or being grounded at home without a phone and PC. As soon as a child realizes there is a price to pay for their actions their behavior changes, if there is none then you have big problems ahead of you.

REGARDS SNOW

Not trying to be a butthead, but that child could have been bipolar. Both of my boys have been diagnosed as such. Consequences have no effect on them. Time outs work for a very short period of time. I have taken away video games, TV, dessert if we are having it, sent to bed without dinner, toys put in storage, or given away, no outside. They just do not care or listen. We have told them to clean there room or no dinner and it just does not click. Spankings do not work either. I can understand the father son issue you mentioned. People are too afraid to discipline their children in public because they are afraid of someone calling CPS on them, which is a shame. The thing that I found that can stop arguments with them is to just get down to eye level with them and make myself clear on what I expect from them. It does not work all the time, but does save a lot of headache when it does. No two children are the same or will respond the same way to your actions. It's funny how they can go from telling you that you are the greatest one minute, to telling you you're a big meanie and I'm gonna kill you the next.

I mean no disrespect, just another point of view. I think you know I think you know I have nothing but love for ya man.

mrbigbluelight

I defer to Dr. Dwayne Johnson, of the WWF Institute, who said,

"Some folks like streudel, some folks like pie".

That's some pretty Rock-solid thinking right there, Mr. !

.... or Mrs. Or Ms. Or .... well, whoever/whatever you are.

BeefJerky

mrbigbluelight wrote: »

I defer to Dr. Dwayne Johnson, of the WWF Institute, who said,

"Some folks like streudel, some folks like pie".

That's some pretty Rock-solid thinking right there, Mr. !

.... or Mrs. Or Ms. Or .... well, whoever/whatever you are.

This should help explain things:

Drenis

It doesn't matter whether you like strudel or pie candy-****!