NFL MVP, Drew Brees witout a dought

2»

Comments

  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited January 2012
    Jstas wrote: »
    Wow. 29 replies before a grammar **** popped up and you didn't even mention the fact that he spelled "doubt" wrong in the title of thread!

    You guys are slippin'.
    AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »
    I was gonna let the thread title and other posts go, but #28 was just too bad...

    Could you guys double check post #30 for me?

    Thanks

    :cheesygrin:
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • ryanjoachim
    ryanjoachim Posts: 2,046
    edited January 2012
    leroyjr1 wrote: »
    Could you guys double check post #30 for me?

    Thanks

    :cheesygrin:

    Could use a comma or two, but it's not too bad! :)

    My vote is for Rodgers, obviously. Brees is a great QB, there's no doubt about that...but Rodgers is the image of QB perfection.

    Rodgers won 14 of the 15 games he started. He set an NFL record with a 122.5 passer rating. He is the only passer in history to throw for at least 4,000 yards with six or fewer interceptions.

    Rodgers wasn't one of the three quarterbacks with more than 5,000 yards this season, but he had 161 fewer attempts than Matthew Stafford, 155 fewer than Brees and 109 fewer than Tom Brady. This means that he was much more efficient with his throws.

    Rodgers also had an NFL-best 9.25 yards per attempt, an underrated statistic.

    He did it all while playing 12 of 15 games outdoors, with the 27th-rated running game and the NFL's worst defense based on total yards. He did it for a team with no other offensive All-Pro players and only one on defense (Charles Woodson). (Both Saints guards were elected, and Saints tight end Jimmy Graham was a second-teamer.)

    (got all this off the interwebs, btw)

    The fact of the matter is, Rodgers (just like Payton) IS the Packers. He wins the games for them. When all you have is a passing game, and you can still throw for nearly 5000 yards, 46 TD, and only 6 INT...You deserve to win.
    MrNightly wrote: »
    "Dr Dunn admitted that his research could also be interpreted as evidence that women are shallower than men. He said: "Let's face it - there's evidence to support it."
    mystik610 wrote: »
    Best Buy is for people who don't know any better. Magnolia is for people who don't know any better and have more money to spend.
    My System:


    TV: SAMSUNG UN55B7000 55" 1080p LED HDTV
    HTPC: Chromecast w/ Plex Media Server. Media streamed from Media Server.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • DMara
    DMara Posts: 1,434
    edited January 2012
    The backup quarterback came in for one game and threw for 6 TDs and 480 yards. Enough said :p
    Gears shared to both living room & bedroom:
    Integra DHC-80.3 / Oppo BDP-105 / DirecTV HR24 DVR /APC S15blk PC-UPS
    Living room:
    LSiM707's / LSiM706c / LSiM702 F/X's / dual JL Audio Fathom F113's / Parasound Halo A51 / Panasonic 65" TC-P65VT50
    Bedroom:
    Usher Dancer Mini 2 Diamond DMD's / Logitech SB Touch / W4S STP-SE / W4S DAC-2 / W4S ST-1000 / Samsung 52" LN52B750
    Other rooms:
    Audioengine AP4's / GLOW Audio Sub One / audio-gd NFB-3 DAC / Audioengine N22
    audio-gd NFB-10.2 / Denon AH-D7000
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • ryanjoachim
    ryanjoachim Posts: 2,046
    edited January 2012
    DMara wrote: »
    The backup quarterback came in for one game and threw for 6 TDs and 480 yards. Enough said :p

    The fact that Matt Flynn had the best game of his career (probably the best game he will ever have) means Rodgers doesn't deserve MVP?

    I'm confused.
    By the way, Flynn had a fumble AND an interception in that game.

    Also, I personally wouldn't count Brees' breaking Marino's yard record as a big consideration in the MVP voting.

    Why?

    Because 2 other QB's this season broke the same record, and several others were very close. Rodgers himself might have been able to do it if he had played that last game.

    It just goes to show that this is now a passing league. Those numbers are going to become more and more attainable.
    MrNightly wrote: »
    "Dr Dunn admitted that his research could also be interpreted as evidence that women are shallower than men. He said: "Let's face it - there's evidence to support it."
    mystik610 wrote: »
    Best Buy is for people who don't know any better. Magnolia is for people who don't know any better and have more money to spend.
    My System:


    TV: SAMSUNG UN55B7000 55" 1080p LED HDTV
    HTPC: Chromecast w/ Plex Media Server. Media streamed from Media Server.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited January 2012
    ryanjoachim wrote: »
    The fact of the matter is, Rodgers (just like Payton) IS the Packers. He wins the games for them
    Big difference between Rogers and Manning. I'm not saying Rogers doesn't deserve MVP, because he does and would get my vote. But GB showed that they can win without Rogers, Indianapolis has most definitely proven that they cannot win without Manning. I would argue that no one player has had more impact on their team in NFL history than Manning.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • ryanjoachim
    ryanjoachim Posts: 2,046
    edited January 2012
    AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »
    Big difference between Rogers and Manning. I'm not saying Rogers doesn't deserve MVP, because he does and would get my vote. But GB showed that they can win without Rogers, Indianapolis has most definitely proven that they cannot win without Manning. I would argue that no one player has had more impact on their team in NFL history than Manning.

    Definitely a valid argument.
    MrNightly wrote: »
    "Dr Dunn admitted that his research could also be interpreted as evidence that women are shallower than men. He said: "Let's face it - there's evidence to support it."
    mystik610 wrote: »
    Best Buy is for people who don't know any better. Magnolia is for people who don't know any better and have more money to spend.
    My System:


    TV: SAMSUNG UN55B7000 55" 1080p LED HDTV
    HTPC: Chromecast w/ Plex Media Server. Media streamed from Media Server.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • DMara
    DMara Posts: 1,434
    edited January 2012
    ryanjoachim wrote: »
    The fact that Matt Flynn had the best game of his career (probably the best game he will ever have) means Rodgers doesn't deserve MVP?

    I'm confused.
    By the way, Flynn had a fumble AND an interception in that game.

    Of course. It proved that the Packers offense worths more than an individual. A backup quarterback went in and soundly beat a playoff team who determined to win. It proved others could step up without Rodgers being there. As far as I know, MVP means "Most Valuable Player" --- to his team. So there are plenty of argument for Eli Manning, for Drew Brees, and even Tim Tebow. And I agree with AsSiMiLaTeD that Peyton Manning's impact on his team is way more than anybody else's on their teams, however that also proved the coaching staff was horrible for not being able to build a fail-safe system. Look at Belichick, without Brady his team still went 11-5.
    Gears shared to both living room & bedroom:
    Integra DHC-80.3 / Oppo BDP-105 / DirecTV HR24 DVR /APC S15blk PC-UPS
    Living room:
    LSiM707's / LSiM706c / LSiM702 F/X's / dual JL Audio Fathom F113's / Parasound Halo A51 / Panasonic 65" TC-P65VT50
    Bedroom:
    Usher Dancer Mini 2 Diamond DMD's / Logitech SB Touch / W4S STP-SE / W4S DAC-2 / W4S ST-1000 / Samsung 52" LN52B750
    Other rooms:
    Audioengine AP4's / GLOW Audio Sub One / audio-gd NFB-3 DAC / Audioengine N22
    audio-gd NFB-10.2 / Denon AH-D7000
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • thesurfer
    thesurfer Posts: 574
    edited January 2012
    WoW, and i thought my grammer was bad, As bad as it is, this post i started is worse.
    Not an Audiophile, just a dude who loves music, and decent gear to hear it with.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    edited January 2012
    I can see it being a split MVP between Rodgers and Brees. It has happened before and these two are high profile QBs who each had great seasons and led their teams to the playoffs.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • ryanjoachim
    ryanjoachim Posts: 2,046
    edited January 2012
    Personally, I wouldn't see a split as being fair.

    Brees had a VERY good running game to help balance out the offensive load, which in my opinion proves that Rodgers deserves the MVP, since every single victory was on his shoulders (literally).

    But, luckily for whoever wins the votes...my opinion is very biased and not very educated.
    MrNightly wrote: »
    "Dr Dunn admitted that his research could also be interpreted as evidence that women are shallower than men. He said: "Let's face it - there's evidence to support it."
    mystik610 wrote: »
    Best Buy is for people who don't know any better. Magnolia is for people who don't know any better and have more money to spend.
    My System:


    TV: SAMSUNG UN55B7000 55" 1080p LED HDTV
    HTPC: Chromecast w/ Plex Media Server. Media streamed from Media Server.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • thesurfer
    thesurfer Posts: 574
    edited January 2012
    Jstas wrote: »
    Wow. 29 replies before a grammar **** popped up and you didn't even mention the fact that he spelled "doubt" wrong in the title of thread!

    You guys are slippin'.
    Thanks, ive seen other folks use awful grammar all the time on here, thats what i get for speed typing, but if you know what im saying, who gives a crap, let the insults go on, OH LORDS OF GRAMMAR,
    Not an Audiophile, just a dude who loves music, and decent gear to hear it with.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • punk-roc
    punk-roc Posts: 1,150
    edited January 2012
    All you need to read to make your decision..

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7383180/bill-barnwell-breaks-razor-thin-difference-drew-brees-aaron-rodgers
    2-Channel - So far...
    Pre: Dodd ELP
    DAC: W4S-Dac2
    Source(s): Computer and Denon 2910
    Amp: Parasound HCA-1200II
    Speakers: LSi9s - Vr3 Fortress Mod
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • ryanjoachim
    ryanjoachim Posts: 2,046
    edited January 2012
    punk-roc wrote: »
    All you need to read to make your decision..

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7383180/bill-barnwell-breaks-razor-thin-difference-drew-brees-aaron-rodgers

    That's a great article, and makes some great points...however, going off what he said, Brees would probably be voted as MVP now simply because he broke the passing record (which happened after that article).
    MrNightly wrote: »
    "Dr Dunn admitted that his research could also be interpreted as evidence that women are shallower than men. He said: "Let's face it - there's evidence to support it."
    mystik610 wrote: »
    Best Buy is for people who don't know any better. Magnolia is for people who don't know any better and have more money to spend.
    My System:


    TV: SAMSUNG UN55B7000 55" 1080p LED HDTV
    HTPC: Chromecast w/ Plex Media Server. Media streamed from Media Server.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Upstatemax
    Upstatemax Posts: 2,664
    edited January 2012
    I love watching both of them play, but I have to give it to Aaron...

    He is a better QB IMO. He controls the game better and makes better choices. When you air it out as much as he does and only have 6int on the season, that shows the level of control he has on his game.

    I lose a bit of respect for a QB when I think he will make a risky desicion chasing stats and records.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • emoxley
    emoxley Posts: 205
    edited February 2012
    emoxley wrote: »
    Aaron Rodgers, without a doubt.............
    Looks like I was right..............again! http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-02-04/aaron-rodgers-win-nfl-mvp-award-by-a-landslide
    Now we'll see if I was right with my SB prediction.
    Samsung HL61A750 LED DLP
    Onkyo TX-SR805 receiver
    Oppo BDP-83 blu ray player
    Polk Audio LSi9 front speakers
    Polk Audio LSiC center speaker
    Sony SS-MB100H rear speakers
    SVS PC12-NSD powered subwoofer
    Pioneer PL-514 turntable
    Logitech Harmony 628 Universal Remote
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • hochpt21
    hochpt21 Posts: 5,423
    edited February 2012
    Woohooo...a silver lining on a depressing outcome for the Packers in the playoffs this year.
    2 ChannelTurntable - VPI Classic 2/Ortofon 2M BlueAmplification - Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II, Parks Audio Budgie PhonoSpeakers - GoldenEar Triton 17.2 Home TheaterDenon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Klipsch RP-280F's, Klipsch RP-450C, Polk FXi3's, Polk RC60i; Dual SVS PB 2000's; BenQ HT2050; Elite Screens 120"Man CaveTurntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado GoldAmplification - Dared SL2000a, McCormack DNA 0.5 DeluxeCD: Cambridge AudioSpeakers - Wharfedale Linton 85th Anniversary; LSiM 703; SDA 2A
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • sandworms
    sandworms Posts: 1,043
    edited February 2012
    Maybe laughable, but did anyone notice what happened to Indy w/o Peyton, how bout votes for non-playing MVP
    Samsung pn64f8500
    Sonus faber venere 2.5
    Sf venere center
    Oppo 105d
    Squeezebox touch
    Parasound hca1500a
    Apc power filter
    Audioquest cables asst
    Polk rtia3 SB
    Polk fxia6 sl,sr
    Dual hsu vtf3 mk3

    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,021
    edited February 2012
    I don't know why they couldn't have a co MVP. They have done it before.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • grimmace19
    grimmace19 Posts: 1,429
    edited February 2012
    ^ They have done it before because the votes were a tie... this year, 48-2 isn't a tie.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • emoxley
    emoxley Posts: 205
    edited February 2012
    Well, I called it right for the winners. It just wasn't in overtime............
    Samsung HL61A750 LED DLP
    Onkyo TX-SR805 receiver
    Oppo BDP-83 blu ray player
    Polk Audio LSi9 front speakers
    Polk Audio LSiC center speaker
    Sony SS-MB100H rear speakers
    SVS PC12-NSD powered subwoofer
    Pioneer PL-514 turntable
    Logitech Harmony 628 Universal Remote
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter