Freedom is on the rise!

nooshinjohn

Here is a link to images of the new Freedom Tower, being built in Lower Manhattan. It has been a long time coming(Ty Pennington should have been in charge) but finally the skyline of New York is beginning to look to the future. What a beautiful lady she will be when completed, and a fitting tribute to the people of New York and those that were lost.

God bless the USA.

http://www.businessinsider.com/photos-wtc-site-views-2011-12#1wtc-80th-floor-looking-north-dec-14-1

BlueFox

I agree. Inspiring architecture with symbolism. However, if possible let's leave religion out of this.

tonyb

BlueFox wrote: »

I agree. Inspiring architecture with symbolism. However, if possible let's leave religion out of this.

Is that because he said "God bless the USA" ? If thats the case, I'd be happy to take all your cash that says "In God we trust".

steveinaz

Never. God Bless America!!!!!

WilliamM2

tonyb wrote: »

Is that because he said "God bless the USA" ? If thats the case, I'd be happy to take all your cash that says "In God we trust".

Who uses cash these days?

brgman

Beautiful.Looks like The Good Lord has once again Blessed us with the knowledge,will, and resources to build an amazing structure reaching high into His Heavens.
God Bless America!!!

Face

I'm sure the Easter Bunny and Santa had their part in it as well.

tonyb

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Who uses cash these days?

Oh I dunno, people who don't want to borrow from their future I guess. People that don't like paying 20-30% interest maybe ? I use cash whenever I can or it's a debit card. CCards in general are the mother of all evils. If you have no intention of paying the balance off every month, you'll no doubt get yourself in trouble over time.

tonyb

Face wrote: »

I'm sure the Easter Bunny and Santa had their part in it as well.

Hey now, don't be pickin' on my 2 best buds. There's candy involved with each.

WilliamM2

tonyb wrote: »

Oh I dunno, people who don't want to borrow from their future I guess. People that don't like paying 20-30% interest maybe ? I use cash whenever I can or it's a debit card. CCards in general are the mother of all evils. If you have no intention of paying the balance off every month, you'll no doubt get yourself in trouble over time.

I have absolutely zero debt, including my home. I was asking who carries actual cash anymore, I haven't carried cash in years, it's all credit cards, paid off each month. They pay me to use them. 20-30% interest? Your credit must be horrible.

Even those that do use cash have no control over what slogans the government print's on their bills, no matter how silly.

tonyb

As long as your disciplined enough to pay them off every month, thats cool, unfortunately most are not. As far as slogans go, are you telling me it's your choice to not carry cash because of the word "God" on it ? Interesting...

WilliamM2

tonyb wrote: »

As long as your disciplined enough to pay them off every month, thats cool, unfortunately most are not. As far as slogans go, are you telling me it's your choice to not carry cash because of the word "God" on it ? Interesting...

Where did I say that? You were the one who suggested someone give you all their cash, because of what is written on it.
I just don't have any need to carry cash, and get paid cash back to use the cards. Other benefits include automatically extending warranties on everything I buy, being able to look up purchases I made years ago, no worries about losing cash, or having it stolen, etc.

tonyb

I simply asked a question, never said it was quoted by you. Not a big deal, carry cash, not carry cash....I couldn't care less. My comment was in reference to the objection of the word "God".

tonyb

Rather ol' Ronnie baby than Obama.....I might have to puke every time I saw that face on american money.

This one's a gonna go south quick, might have to take this over to Polk Army to continue. Religion and politics in the same thread, throw me in gitmo.

Jstas

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Who uses cash these days?

I use nothing but cash anymore. Debit is cash as well when some stupid machine like the robotic parking attendant doesn't have any change or I want something on the Innerwebs.

Nice thing about cash is no one ever says "We don't accept that here."

The other nice thing about cash? If I buy something, I don't owe anybody anything for it.

Cash = freedom.

nooshinjohn

Jesus, Mary and Joseph.... I post a simple thread with a link to pics about the Freedom Tower and it turns into this? Bluefox... if the folks at Craftsman could make tools like you, there would be no need to ever by another as you are truly a multi-purpose tool for all seasons. Thanks for crapping on my thread and taking it places it was never intended to go.:evil:

This thread was all about taking some pride again in being American, about looking to the future with optimism and hope. I will ask God to Bless this Nation every chance I get. Lets not forget that the the Constitution does not say anything at all about freedom FROM religion, rather freedom OF religion.

Now please guys, can we comment about the miracles taking place down there, show some respect forwhat was taken from us and look towards the future that this New York icon represent?

Jstas

WilliamM2 wrote: »

I have absolutely zero debt, including my home. I was asking who carries actual cash anymore, I haven't carried cash in years, it's all credit cards, paid off each month. They pay me to use them. 20-30% interest? Your credit must be horrible.

Even those that do use cash have no control over what slogans the government print's on their bills, no matter how silly.

I hate people like you. You hold up the line at Dunkin' Donuts 'cause you're buying a 90 cent cup of coffee with a freaking credit card. You go to the store and buy something and have to search for what card has enough room on it to pay for what you are getting that the store actually accepts for payment. You go to the gas station and pitch a fit because it costs 5 cents more a gallon 'cause you're buying $10 in gas with a credit card.

Meanwhile, me, with my fist full of cash and a desire to make a purchase has to wait an unreasonable amount of time for my coffee, gas and donuts because you "don't carry cash".

You know what though? I have a record of everything I ever bought. It's in a folder in a filing cabinet I call "Receipts". I also have all the warranties I have in another folder called "Warranties". When a warranty that is due to expire and has the possibility of being extended, I get this neat thing call a letter, sometimes it's called an email. Lets me decide if I feel it's worth it or not. After my yearly taxes, I take all my receipts that I do not need the physical copy for anymore and I scan them, file them by year and category of purchase and then save them to a CD or DVD and shred the physical copy. Not really hard at all and with a decent sized scanner, one can scan quite a few receipts in one shot. Takes me all of a half hour.

The only benefit you might get from a credit card is purchase protection. But the few times that has actually mattered for one of my purchases, the credit card company was absolutely useless. I'd be better off saving the money I had spent on the credit card and it's protection to pay for a repair so I can go on living my life instead of fighting with some **** canoe at whatever place I bought something who doesn't give a flying fornication if I have a working product or not.

WilliamM2

Jstas wrote: »

I hate people like you. You hold up the line at Dunkin' Donuts 'cause you're buying a 90 cent cup of coffee with a freaking credit card. You go to the store and buy something and have to search for what card has enough room on it to pay for what you are getting that the store actually accepts for payment. You go to the gas station and pitch a fit because it costs 5 cents more a gallon 'cause you're buying $10 in gas with a credit card.

I don't do any of those things. I certainly never have to worry about which card has enough credit, they are paid off every month, and have a higher limit than I would ever spend. I pay for my gas at the pump, you're the one making others wait in line. Most places these days you swipe your own card, it's faster than cash, no waiting for the cashier to count out the change.

The only benefit you might get from a credit card is purchase protection.

Getting over $1K cash back a year isn't a benefit? Nice rant though.

FTGV

nooshinjohn wrote: »

Thanks for crapping on my thread and taking it places it was never intended to go.:evil:

^^Oh the irony of that statement.:rolleyes:


God bless America.

WilliamM2

FTGV wrote: »

^^Oh the irony.:rolleyes:


God bless America.

Apparently freedom of speech isn't one of the freedoms he favors.

inspiredsports

keiko wrote: »

no, let's don't. God bless america!

ditto !!

BeefJerky

nooshinjohn wrote: »

Jesus, Mary and Joseph.... I post a simple thread with a link to pics about the Freedom Tower and it turns into this? Bluefox... if the folks at Craftsman could make tools like you, there would be no need to ever by another as you are truly a multi-purpose tool for all seasons. Thanks for crapping on my thread and taking it places it was never intended to go.:evil:

This thread was all about taking some pride again in being American, about looking to the future with optimism and hope. I will ask God to Bless this Nation every chance I get. Lets not forget that the the Constitution does not say anything at all about freedom FROM religion, rather freedom OF religion.

Now please guys, can we comment about the miracles taking place down there, show some respect forwhat was taken from us and look towards the future that this New York icon represent?

First, this response makes you come of as just as much of a tool as the person you are attacking. Second, if you want full control over "your threads" then it is time to start your own personal forum where you can exercise said control.

As for the religion debate, I really don't care one way or another. I'm agnostic, and that neutral viewpoint extends into these issues as well. If you want something representing your religion on or in a building (government or not), more power to you; it certainly won't bother me. As long as religion doesn't interfere in government to the point where laws are created that discriminate based on a person's religious beliefs or where they are enforced differently based on religious beliefs (or lack thereof), I'm good.

tonyb wrote: »

Oh I dunno, people who don't want to borrow from their future I guess. People that don't like paying 20-30% interest maybe ? I use cash whenever I can or it's a debit card. CCards in general are the mother of all evils. If you have no intention of paying the balance off every month, you'll no doubt get yourself in trouble over time.

It's not credit cards that are the "mother of all evils," it is people's greed that is the problem. If someone can't control their spending and live within their means, that is their fault, and their fault only. Credit cards don't put people in debt, people put themselves in debt.

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Who uses cash these days?

Jstas wrote: »

I use nothing but cash anymore. Debit is cash as well when some stupid machine like the robotic parking attendant doesn't have any change or I want something on the Innerwebs.

The other nice thing about cash? If I buy something, I don't owe anybody anything for it.

Cash = freedom.

Jstas wrote: »

I hate people like you. You hold up the line at Dunkin' Donuts 'cause you're buying a 90 cent cup of coffee with a freaking credit card. You go to the store and buy something and have to search for what card has enough room on it to pay for what you are getting that the store actually accepts for payment. You go to the gas station and pitch a fit because it costs 5 cents more a gallon 'cause you're buying $10 in gas with a credit card.

Meanwhile, me, with my fist full of cash and a desire to make a purchase has to wait an unreasonable amount of time for my coffee, gas and donuts because you "don't carry cash".

The only benefit you might get from a credit card is purchase protection. But the few times that has actually mattered for one of my purchases, the credit card company was absolutely useless. I'd be better off saving the money I had spent on the credit card and it's protection to pay for a repair so I can go on living my life instead of fighting with some **** canoe at whatever place I bought something who doesn't give a flying fornication if I have a working product or not.

Meh, you both sound like fools. Neither system of paying is wrong or evil; I use both, and pick which one to use based on the particular situation.

Jstas, so you don't freak out and start crying, I use cash when paying for my donuts and kolaches. I generally use a credit card when paying at the gas station, but then gas stations around here charge the same regardless of whether you use cash or credit; maybe that varies depending on where you live. If they were different, I would simply decide whether to pay a bit more for the convenience of using the credit card, or I would pay cash. Simple as that, and no pitching of fits. I also don't spend time trying to find out which card to pay with while in the checkout line. I know how much I have available on my credit or debit card prior to attempting a purchase. If I have a question about it, I can immediately check online via my PC or on the go via my smartphone, all before I go to purchase something; this concept should be easy to understand for anyone with half a brain.

Also, if you are paying your credit card company any money outside of the exact purchase amounts, you are doing it wrong. I pay off my credit card bills in full every month and pay no interest or late fees; this again should be a simple concept. The only things that I consider financing are vehicles and houses. I did finance my vehicle with a credit union, but paid that off in less than half the time of the loan; it saved me on interest, and avoided me staying in debt for any longer than I had to.

I think it all boils down to responsibility, something that a lot of folks today don't seem to accept.

Jstas wrote: »

You know what though? I have a record of everything I ever bought. It's in a folder in a filing cabinet I call "Receipts". I also have all the warranties I have in another folder called "Warranties". When a warranty that is due to expire and has the possibility of being extended, I get this neat thing call a letter, sometimes it's called an email. Lets me decide if I feel it's worth it or not. After my yearly taxes, I take all my receipts that I do not need the physical copy for anymore and I scan them, file them by year and category of purchase and then save them to a CD or DVD and shred the physical copy. Not really hard at all and with a decent sized scanner, one can scan quite a few receipts in one shot. Takes me all of a half hour.

This is a very good idea for keeping records.

Jstas wrote: »

Nice thing about cash is no one ever says "We don't accept that here."

Yet...

WilliamM2

BeefJerky wrote: »

Meh, you both sound like fools. Neither system of paying is wrong or evil; I use both, and pick which one to use based on the particular situation.

I never said paying with cash was wrong or evil.

Yet...

I've only found one place that won't take cash so far, but they won't take credit cards either, only checks. The local trash compactor station, always thought it was very odd. Been that way as long as I can remember.

rebuy

Peace on Earth, Good will toward men. :eek:

WilliamM2

Keiko wrote: »

Not really, when Jerkyboy's dead, write 'em a check and they'll dispose of the body. He won't care.

You stalking him now as well? Good luck.

FTGV

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Apparently freedom of speech isn't one of the freedoms he favors.

The irony being one of the most prolific thread crappers chiding someone else for doing same.

tonyb

BeefJerky wrote: »

It's not credit cards that are the "mother of all evils," it is people's greed that is the problem. If someone can't control their spending and live within their means, that is their fault, and their fault only. Credit cards don't put people in debt, people put themselves in debt.

Absolutely....the responsability lies with the individual. My problem with CC is they make it too easy for a person to put themselves in that situation. Just like when they made it too easy to buy a house. What happened ? We wound up bailing them out anyway, the banks, some homeowners. So while you or I maybe responsible with our money, we still in the end pay for those who are not. Thats another subject all together, but on the surface I absolutely agree with you.

John, sorry for the slight derail there pal, my fault. Feel free to tie me up for 100 lashes, but your paying the airfare out there bubba.:cheesygrin: .......and there better be fresh oysters and wine after.

nooshinjohn

:cheesygrin:LOL Tony...

I don't know what kind of kinky crap you are into, but I suppose I could get you a one way to San Fransisco. Nancy Pelosi needs another loyal loon.:razz:

audiocr381ve

Those were some amazing shots!

SDA1C

WilliamM2 wrote: »

I've only found one place that won't take cash so far, but they won't take credit cards either, only checks. The local trash compactor station, always thought it was very odd. Been that way as long as I can remember.

Actually it makes some sense. You don't have to pay the cc fee. You don't have to worry about theft and the bank is automatically your CPA.

Polkie2009

Thanks John for some truly beautiful pics sir. God Bless The USA!